Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

Nobotty

Vradakars address was painted on a wall in Sandy row somewhere according to CNN the other day
Hence he has had to move house in case some loyalists break restrictions...
I was told by the way several pages back that this is now the general vradakar thread so would ye ever make your minds up
Ive lost interest as I said yesterday in the palava that is the frankly virulently unhealthy tit for tat regurgitations on 'that document' untill theres something new newsworthy

On the death threat's I'd have thought everyone should be leaping to his defence on that one considering he's riled beligerent ardent loyalists with new laws that put them in their place,the protocol
The cheek of them

FrancieBrady

Nobotty wrote: »

Vradakars address was painted on a wall in Sandy row somewhere according to CNN the other day
Hence he has had to move house in case some loyalists break restrictions...
I was told by the way several pages back that this is now the general vradakar thread so would ye ever make your minds up
Ive lost interest as I said yesterday in the palava that is the frankly virulently unhealthy tit for tat regurgitations on 'that document' untill theres something new newsworthy

On the death threat's I'd have thought everyone should be leaping to his defence on that one considering he's riled beligerent ardent loyalists with new laws that put them in their place,the protocol
The cheek of them

Maybe now we'll hear FG call out the political facilitators of these guys and gals, instead of cozying up to them at party conference time and applauding them.

Loafing Oaf

Nobotty wrote: »

Vradakars address was painted on a wall in Sandy row somewhere according to CNN the other day
Hence he has had to move house in case some loyalists break restrictions...
I was told by the way several pages back that this is now the general vradakar

Do we know for a fact that the 'credible death threat' is coming from loyalists?

This article doesn't directlly link the two
https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/leo-varadkar-update-tanaiste-forced-20318528

Cilldara_2000

Just mentioned on the wireless that his people were in touch and he hasn't actually had to move.

jmcc

Looks like a concerted effort to shift the narrative again. The Sunday Independent runs a story on Varadkar having to move due to Loyalist death threats. The problem is that the "death threats" story is frequently rolled out whenever FG politicians have problems and the Sunday Independent isn't exactly known for unbiased journalism when it comes to FG. The Kantor poll showing that the electorate is not happy with FFG's handling of of the Covid situation is also front page news.

Varadkar's leaking of a confidential document to his friend and his refusal to act honourably and stand down while the criminal investigation is active is a major problem for FG. There is always a vociferous diehard element who will vote for FG no matter what but General Elections are decided by the floating vote. Given the low standards in high places problem that is affecting FG, some of that floating vote may shift now that the pro-FFG/Labour media landscape has changed due to Dinny O'Brien having to sell his shares in IN&M for around 44 million Euro (they cost him about 500 million Euro) and having also sold his Communicorp radio stations to Bauer. Without the Dinnycorp support, Varadkar and FG may find things more difficult in the next elections. IN&M had been bought by the Belgian Mediahuis company by the time of the last GE but its website hadn't a functioning paywall. The situation is different now and much of that FG support in the Sunday Independent and Independent newspapers is behind a paywall so the pro-FG propaganda will play a smaller part in the next GE.

FG is lucky that FF has an creepy and incompetent Mr Burns type character as leader and taoiseach because if FF had a decent leader, Varadkar would have been asked to temporarily resign as soon as this story broke. The decline of FF (11%) is a major factor in Varadkar's survival as tainiste. If there is a decision to prosecute Varadkar for leaking a confidential document to his friend, the first casualty will probably be Martin in a leadership challenge because the risk of a GE would be lower than if the incompetent Martin suddenly grew a spine and asked Varadkar to step down as tainiste while the criminal investigation into Varadkar leaking a confidential document to his friend is active.

Regards...jmcc

Nobotty

jmcc wrote: »

Looks like a concerted effort to shift the narrative again. The Sunday Independent runs a story on Varadkar having to move due to Loyalist death threats. The problem is that the "death threats" story is frequently rolled out whenever FG politicians have problems and the Sunday Independent isn't exactly known for unbiased journalism when it comes to FG. The Kantor poll showing that the electorate is not happy with FFG's handling of of the Covid situation is also front page news.


Regards...jmcc

You're funny and must be desperate conflating this governments sloppy handling of the covid crisis with the document business
The two are as related as chalk and cheese
Of more concern and a wake up call should be Fine Gaels support being regularally 10 points up on its GE performance
Its probably a discussion more for the government or the FG threads but I find it gas FG are attacking a cohort all the time who'll never vote for them and the Shinners doing the same
It will be really no surprise if they decide to govern together next time or the time after or both
Whats it all for? Position jockeying
Good luck with that

McMurphy

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I know certain people were trying to downplay it before, but being forced to leave your home must be upsetting. Particularly for his partner Matt Barrett, who seems to get dragged into things and impacted more than any other Irish politicians partner.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/varadkar-forced-to-move-house-due-to-death-threats-40272487.html

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Are you suggesting the story is made up because of his poll?

"Varadkars people" confirmed on radio 1 earlier that he hasn't had to move house at all.

There you go, proof that you shouldn't blindly believe everything you read in the papers lads.

jmcc

Nobotty wrote: »

You're funny and must be desperate conflating this governments sloppy handling of the covid crisis with the document business
The two are as related as chalk and cheese

Both speak to the compentence and quality of those in government.

Of more concern and a wake up call should be Fine Gaels support being regularally 10 points up on its GE performance

Concern for whom? Varadkar led FG to one of its worst GE defeats ever and it was due, in no small part, to his allowing Charlie Flanagan nearly destroy the FG election campaign with his Black and Tans/RIC commemoration. FG was around 30% in the opinion polls in late 2019. It lost almost 10% between then and the GE. If there is a snap GE in the Summer or Autumn and it coincides with the DPP deciding to prosectute Varadkar for leaking a confidential document to his friend, then it is possible that FG could, once again, lose over 10% support in the GE. The danger for FG is that a DPP decision to prosectute Varadkar could become an election issue. First: Charlie Tan'agan. Next: Leo the Leak.

Regards...jmcc

Loafing Oaf

jmcc wrote: »

If there is a snap GE in the Summer or Autumn and it coincides with the DPP deciding to prosectute Varadkar for leaking a confidential document to his friend, then it is possible that FG could, once again, lose over 10% support in the GE. The danger for FG is that a DPP decision to prosectute Varadkar could become an election issue.

I find it hard to see why there would be an election this year but even if there was, I think it would be fairly straightforward for FG to put, ahem, clear blue water between themselves and Leo. If he is charged he steps aside as leader for the duration of proceedings, if he is convicted he resigns his Dail seat and probably as a member of FG... After all, the leak was a private frolic of his own, no reason it should taint the party as a whole...

Nobotty

jmcc wrote: »

Both speak to the compentence and quality of those in government.

Concern for whom? Varadkar led FG to one of its worst GE defeats ever and it was due, in no small part, to his allowing Charlie Flanagan nearly destroy FG election campaign with his Black and Tans/RIC commemoration. FG was around 30% in the opinion polls in late 2019. It lost almost 10% between then and the GE. If there is a snap GE in the Summer or Autumn and it coincides with the DPP deciding to prosectute Varadkar for leaking a confidential document to his friend, then it is possible that FG could, once again, lose over 10% support in the GE. The danger for FG is that a DPP decision to prosectute Varadkar could become an election issue. First: Charlie Tan'agan. Next: Leo the Leak.

Regards...jmcc

The centre vote isnt going to drop to 10%
Nor is it going to the left
So that hope is futile
There wont be any prosecution of vradakar,I'm as confident of that as the moon not falling down out of the sky and whacking me on the head and so should you be unless something new crops up
The document question will surely be dealt with long before the next election if thats feb 25
That prosecution hope is also futile

I've long since in this thread stopped believing any of you really believe in a prosecution there anyway
I'm also not as interested as Randomname2 in pointing out how see through the purpose of repeating the same lines are,every post
I think something new too rather than the tans issue may be found for the next election
Theres plenty more practical policy targets useable for hoovering up likely voters
I'm more hopefull to be honest of progress towards a new government via opposition policy intiatives outside than the joys of the meaningless tit for tat played out in here

shtpEdthePlum

McMurphy wrote: »

"Varadkars people" confirmed on radio 1 earlier that he hasn't had to move house at all.

There you go, proof that you shouldn't blindly believe everything you read in the papers lads.

Are you actually serious.

That's absolutely disgusting. I wouldn't wipe me hole with that paper at the best of times but I'm going to be spreading the word of this far and wide with anyone I know who even remotely expresses any FG sympathies in future. Lies upon lies, the death knell of their supporters has them visibly threatened that they are resorting to these transparent propaganda tactics.

jmcc

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I find it hard to see why there would be an election this year but even if there was, I think it would be fairly straightforward for FG to put, ahem, clear blue water between themselves and Leo.

Because not only would Varadkar be tainted, the judgement of those who supported him would also be questioned. Some of the FGers who lost their seats at the last GE are still upset. The Laura Norder voter won't be too pleased either. Varadkar is a liability for FG and there is a lot of anger building up from the Covid lockdowns and the "us and them" rift that has developed between the electorate and the FFG political class. There will be continual pressure from SF, the SocDems and even Independents and the PBP/Socialists/etc over the next few months. FFG will want to hang on as long as possible and don't want a GE. Elections are expensive.

If he is charged he steps aside as leader for the duration of proceedings, if he is convicted he resigns his Dail seat and probably as a member of FG... After all, the leak was a private frolic of his own, no reason it should taint the party as a whole...

He has already admitted to leaking the document to his friend. If, as some have suggested, the leak was to ultimately benefit FG in that it would not have NAGP members campaigning against it in elections, it became far more than just Varadkar personally leaking a confidential document to his friend.

O'Tuathail asked Harris and Varadkar for the confidential document. Once the investigation went beyond Varadkar (Simon Harris and an unnamed civil servant being interviewed with the investigation being subsequently upgraded to a criminal investigation), it became an FG problem. Varadkar is toxic for FG and it would be in FG's best interest that Coveney immediately takes over. He was the FG grassroots, rather than the FG politburo's, choice for leader.

Regards...jmcc

jmcc

Nobotty wrote: »

The centre vote isnt going to drop to 10%

The problem for FFG is that the 10% bounces around between them. FF's vote is abnormally low due to the methodology used by the pollsters. FF always does better when face to face polling is used because a lot of FF's support is in older demographics that do not like online/phone polling.

There wont be any prosecution of vradakar,I'm as confident of that as the moon not falling down out of the sky and whacking me on the head and so should you be unless something new crops up

Great to see such a combination of astrophysics and legal knowledge on the thread.

The document question will surely be dealt with long before the next election if thats feb 25

This is Ireland.

That prosecution hope is also futile

Varadkar admitted leaking a confidential document to his friend. Wouldn't that admission be quite helpful to any prosecution?

Theres plenty more practical policy targets useable for hoovering up likely voters

Housing? Covid? Hospital beds? Health? The post-Covid Economic recession?

I'm more hopefull to be honest of progress towards a new government via opposition policy intiatives outside than the joys of the meaningless tit for tat played out in here

So you are hoping for FF to support another FG minority government led by Leo the Leak?

Regards...jmcc

jimmycrackcorm

jmcc wrote:

Varadkar admitted leaking a confidential document to his friend. Wouldn't that admission be quite helpful to any prosecution?

Again, the emphasis on his friend and ignoring the fact about having the NAGP on board with the agreement.

A prosecution isn't very effective when you leave out pertinent facts.

Jinglejangle69

McMurphy wrote: »

"Varadkars people" confirmed on radio 1 earlier that he hasn't had to move house at all.

There you go, proof that you shouldn't blindly believe everything you read in the papers lads.

So you have no proof the story was made up to deflect from the leak story.

Just as I thought.

jmcc

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Again, the emphasis on his friend and ignoring the fact about having the NAGP on board with the agreement.

A prosecution isn't very effective when you leave out pertinent facts.

Varadkar admitted to leaking the confidential document to his friend. Everything else looks like attempt at an excuse after having been caught.

Regards...jmcc

Loafing Oaf

jmcc wrote: »

Bthere is a lot of anger building up from the Covid lockdowns and the "us and them" rift that has developed between the electorate and the FFG political class. There will be continual pressure from SF, the SocDems and even Independents and the PBP/Socialists/etc over the next few months.

But the opposition has generally favoured even tougher restrictions than the government. Once the pandemic is over it will immediately be consigned to history and will have very little impact on politics going forward. IMO little or nothing to be gained for either government or opposition from dwelling on it.

jmcc

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

But the opposition has generally favoured even tougher restrictions than the government. Once the pandemic is over it will immediately be consigned to history and will have very little impact on politics going forward. IMO little or nothing to be gained for either government or opposition from dwelling on it.

As FG should know, and FF and Labour certainly do, there is always a backlash after any major event affects the electorate.

Regards...jmcc

McMurphy

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So you have no proof the story was made up to deflect from the leak story.

Just as I thought.

The story was complete and utter BS. Confirmed as such by none other than "Leo's people"

Some of you swallowed it hook line and sinker, some of us questioned why an old story was suddenly being rehashed.


Sorry bout that.

Jinglejangle69

McMurphy wrote: »

The story was complete and utter BS. Confirmed as such by none other than "Leo's people"

Some of you swallowed it hook line and sinker, some of us questioned why an old story was suddenly being rehashed.


Sorry bout that.

Hold on now.

Let's go back to your original point.

You suggested the story was made up to deflect from the leak story.

Who did you mean, Leo, Leo's advisors, FG??

Now as I said you haven't shown any proof of that.

Jinglejangle69

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Hold on now.

Let's go back to your original point.

You suggested the story was made up to deflect from the leak story.

Who did you mean, Leo, Leo's advisors, FG??

Now as I said you haven't shown any proof of that.

It’s to distract from the massive story that nobody only a handful of all-day merchants on the internet are talking about. The story that’s going to see Leo put in prison, FG devastated at the next election, and SF swept into power with an overall majority.

McMurphy

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Hold on now.

Let's go back to your original point.

You suggested the story was made up to deflect from the leak story.

Who did you mean, Leo, Leo's advisors, FG??

Now as I said you haven't shown any proof of that.

No what I said was it was being rehashed - rehashed isn't the same as being made up, the made up part came when Leo's people clarified it was actually made up when they made their statement via radio 1 this morning.

You understand the difference in a rehashed story and a made up story, right?

Up At Fleecies

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s to distract from the massive story that nobody only a handful of all-day merchants on the internet are talking about. The story that’s going to see Leo put in prison, FG devastated at the next election, and SF swept into power with an overall majority.

JohnnyFlash referring to anyone as an "all-day merchant" is certainly funny. Didn't you used to post day in and day out, hundreds of posts, literally about sh1t in a scat thread? Yeah the username might be changed but the style hasnt.

McMurphy

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Are you actually serious.

That's absolutely disgusting. I wouldn't wipe me hole with that paper at the best of times but I'm going to be spreading the word of this far and wide with anyone I know who even remotely expresses any FG sympathies in future. Lies upon lies, the death knell of their supporters has them visibly threatened that they are resorting to these transparent propaganda tactics.

Well judge for yourself plum. Check on bubbs link now.

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/varadkar-forced-to-move-house-due-to-death-threats-40272487.html

I can't see how a journalist made "a mistake" on that one, I mean how do you make a mistake like that.

Johnthemanager

Something is brewing!!

Jinglejangle69

McMurphy wrote: »

No what I said was it was being rehashed - rehashed isn't the same as being made up, the made up part came when Leo's people clarified it was actually made up when they made their statement via radio 1 this morning.

You understand the difference in a rehashed story and a made up story, right?

No once again.

You said isn't it mad these stories come out when the governments ratings are down.

As I said, have you any proof there is some conspiracy going on that we don't know about?

What's mad about it?

McMurphy

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

No once again.

You said isn't it mad these stories come out when the governments ratings are down.

As I said, have you any proof there is some conspiracy going on that we don't know about?

What's mad about it?

Oh dear..... Let me refresh your failing memory so.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Are you suggesting the story is made up because of his poll?

McMurphy wrote: »

No. I'm suggesting it's still the same story about loyalists threatening varadkar because of the sea border due to the same Brexit they were instrumental in getting over the line.

It's rehashed the same weekend as a disastrous poll.

And it's got absolutely nothing, zero, zilch and nada to do with this thread which is about him leaking confidential documents relating to a €210m contract between the IMO and the Irish govt to his pal, who happened to be the head of the IMOs rival organisation the NAGP, and the criminal investigation by the guards that is being conducted on the back of that.

Jinglejangle69

McMurphy wrote: »

Oh dear..... Let me refresh your failing memory so.



No. I'm suggesting it's still the same story about loyalists threatening varadkar because of the sea border due to the same Brexit they were instrumental in getting over the line.

It's rehashed the same weekend as a disastrous poll.

And it's got absolutely nothing, zero, zilch and nada to do with this thread which is about him leaking confidential documents relating to a €210m contract between the IMO and the Irish govt to his pal, who happened to be the head of the IMOs rival organisation the NAGP, and the criminal investigation by the guards that is being conducted on the back of that.

So what's mad about it???

McMurphy

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So what's mad about it???

Is that you now admitting I didn't say what you think I said?

You're not a "journalist" for the Indo are you. :pac:

Jinglejangle69

McMurphy wrote: »

Is that you now admitting I didn't say what you think I said?

No I asked from the start why you said it's mad this story got released when the governments ratings were down.

Do you think its a conspiracy?

I just want to know why you think it's mad.