Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

Monkey arris

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

That's right. Innocence is presumed, not established. Even miscarriage of justice findings are not findings of innocence.

It is an important presumption though, deserving of respect, and not a legal nicety.

There is an undeniable political aspect to the Varadkar allegations. Hypotheticals are somewhat feeble, but it's probably true that we'd all argue an opposite position if the man accused were on the Left. The legal process shouldn't be a political football.

Is it not that he did leak, but we don't know if it was a crime? If you confess to something you are not innocent regardless of any charge of criminality down the line.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Of course there is a political aspect, he is accused of using and abusing a political office and privilege. He has not been sanctioned, despite confessing to wrongdoing by his own and two other political parties.

That's not really the point.

The question of criminality should be one that is as far away from politics and political loyalties as possible.

From an objective viewpoint, there are valid arguments to be made that Varadakar, as Taoiseach, did or did not have the right to share the document.

If it were a member of a Left Government who shared it, many of us would be arguing that the Government acts collectively, they are one organism except where statute devolves power to individual ministers, and that the Taoiseach, especially, had a constitutional right to share that document as a matter of policy.

I do not believe anyone who says their view would be the exact same if this leak were committed by a Minister with a shared party/political allegiance.

Monkey arris

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

That's not really the point.

The question of criminality should be one that is as far away from politics and political loyalties as possible.

From an objective viewpoint, there are valid arguments to be made that Varadakar, as Taoiseach, did or did not have the right to share the document.

If it were a member of a Left Government who shared it, many of us would be arguing that the Government acts collectively, they are one organism except where statute devolves power to individual ministers, and that the Taoiseach, especially, had a constitutional right to share that document as a matter of policy.

I do not believe anyone who says their view would be the exact same if this leak were committed by a Minister with a shared party/political allegiance.

He leaked to his friend. It was a private negotiation. He apologised. Criminal or not, it was behaviour wordy of apologising for. There are many situations where you can behave inappropriately without engaging in criminality. Sharing a confidential paper with an outside party would be one, unless you are breaching a contract or legislation or an act.
He is not innocent. We are waiting to see if he's criminal.

caveat emptor

Why is it taking so long? He practically apologised for it. Must be the longest running investigation of nothing that will ultimately come to nothing, thereby restoring our faith in the criminal justice system.

I guess he was right when he said he won't be charged ages ago. I was naive to think the investigation precedes the findings though.

skimpydoo

I wonder what will be coming out in tomorrows papers.

skimpydoo

skimpydoo wrote: »

I wonder what will be coming out in tomorrows papers.

Probably what was supposed to come out last Sunday. And the Sunday before that. And the Sunday before that.......

TestIcicle

I am the employee of a large UK based newspaper (though I myself am Irish, co Wexford originally) I have it on very good authority that there's a major, major story about to break on Leo Varadkar, probably in tomorrow's papers.

I'm not at liberty to give further information just yet, but its directly related to this debacle. Leo knows that the news will break imminently.

costacorta

TestIcicle wrote: »

I am the employee of a large UK based newspaper (though I myself am Irish, co Wexford originally) I have it on very good authority that there's a major, major story about to break on Leo Varadkar, probably in tomorrow's papers.

I'm not at liberty to give further information just yet, but its directly related to this debacle. Leo knows that the news will break imminently.

I hope you’re correct on this as I’ve seen guys creaming themselves with excitement over the last 2 months telling us big news breaking only to see the same rubbish repeated .

Will check back to you within 12 hrs to either congratulate you or to tell you change your sources .

skimpydoo

Wow we have a bunch of comedians.

costacorta

skimpydoo wrote: »

Wow we have a bunch of comedians.

You mean the guys with the breaking news stories ?? Or the guys who are still waiting for the sensational new stories??.

sabat

TestIcicle wrote: »

I am the employee of a large UK based newspaper (though I myself am Irish, co Wexford originally) I have it on very good authority that there's a major, major story about to break on Leo Varadkar, probably in tomorrow's papers.

I'm not at liberty to give further information just yet, but its directly related to this debacle. Leo knows that the news will break imminently.

If you're not talking bollocks, could it be a 'bring down the government' story?

shatners bassoon

TestIcicle wrote: »

I am the employee of a large UK based newspaper (though I myself am Irish, co Wexford originally) I have it on very good authority that there's a major, major story about to break on Leo Varadkar, probably in tomorrow's papers.

I'm not at liberty to give further information just yet, but its directly related to this debacle. Leo knows that the news will break imminently.

Hahaha, the drama!

TestIcicle

"Will check back to you within 12 hrs to either congratulate you or to tell you change your sources "

I didn't say it will definitely be published tomorrow, possibly it will, but I'm not 100% on that just yet.

"If you're not talking bollocks, could it be a 'bring down the government' story?"
Hard to say, one thing I'm sure of though leos backers and cheerers will have lots of egg on faces.
I repeat, from what I heard, leo knows that journalists are aware of what's about to come out, my understanding is he became aware during the early part of last week.

That is about as much as I'm prepared to say at the minute.
Remember who gave you lot in here the tip off.

caveat emptor

TestIcicle wrote: »

"Will check back to you within 12 hrs to either congratulate you or to tell you change your sources "

I didn't say it will definitely be published tomorrow, possibly it will, but I'm not 100% on that just yet.

"If you're not talking bollocks, could it be a 'bring down the government' story?"
Hard to say, one thing I'm sure of though leos backers and cheerers will have lots of egg on faces.
I repeat, from what I heard, leo knows that journalists are aware of what's about to come out, my understanding is he became aware during the early part of last week.

That is about as much as I'm prepared to say at the minute.
Remember who gave you lot in here the tip off.

Considering you've 2 posts to your username I'd say it's an attempt to bury my post showing an elected official and member of government prejusticed any investigation into him which sat there for last 24 hours.

I wan't to believe you, I just don't. I will apologies of course if it transpires.

costacorta

TestIcicle wrote: »

"Will check back to you within 12 hrs to either congratulate you or to tell you change your sources "

I didn't say it will definitely be published tomorrow, possibly it will, but I'm not 100% on that just yet.

"If you're not talking bollocks, could it be a 'bring down the government' story?"
Hard to say, one thing I'm sure of though leos backers and cheerers will have lots of egg on faces.
I repeat, from what I heard, leo knows that journalists are aware of what's about to come out, my understanding is he became aware during the early part of last week.

That is about as much as I'm prepared to say at the minute.
originally) I have it on very good authority that there's a major, major story about to break on Leo Varadkar, probably in tomorrow's papers. Remember who gave you lot in here the tip off.

You’re really keeping your options open so !! Probably but then again might not ?

I think it’s safe to say another false alarm

jmcc

TestIcicle wrote: »

I am the employee of a large UK based newspaper (though I myself am Irish, co Wexford originally) I have it on very good authority that there's a major, major story about to break on Leo Varadkar, probably in tomorrow's papers.

I'm not at liberty to give further information just yet, but its directly related to this debacle. Leo knows that the news will break imminently.

In the immortal words of Hannibal Lector: If so, goody, goody.

Regards...jmcc

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The DPP = The Director of Public Prosecutions who prosecutes when he/she decides a crime has been committed.

We know Omagh was a crime, and we know breaking the Official Secrets Act or the Corruption Act is a crime. What the DPP will decide is 'is what Leo done a breach of that legislation...i.e. Is it a crime? He will prosecute on the basis of that 'decision'. We are awaiting his 'decision' on that.
All the judge/jury will do is decide if the evidence presented verifies his decision that it was a crime and find Leo guilty or not, of the crime.

I am not answering another post that just twists the facts above around and goes at it again.

Again, nonsense.

We know with the evidence of our eyes that a crime was committed in Omagh.

We don't know that a crime was committed in breaking the OSA. A big difference.

skimpydoo

jmcc wrote: »

In the immortal words of Hannibal Lector: If so, goody goody.

Regards...jmcc

Anyone for Chianti?

zanador

skimpydoo wrote: »

Anyone for Chianti?

Does it go with popcorn?

shtpEdthePlum

caveat emptor wrote: »

Considering you've 2 posts to your username I'd say it's an attempt to bury my post showing an elected official and member of government prejusticed any investigation into him which sat there for last 24 hours.

I wan't to believe you, I just don't. I will apologies of course if it transpires.

I hope you're wrong!

Makes the evening a bit more interesting anyway even if it's shyte

McMurphy

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

I hope you're wrong!

Makes the evening a bit more interesting anyway even if it's shyte

Won't be long to find out of there's any truth to it, or if it's just a messer acting the maggot. Broadsheet.ie usually have the Sunday papers on their site around 11pm on Saturday nights from memory.

jmcc

Sunday Times:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzNA_ZAUYAkqPgR?format=jpg&name=medium

Regards...jmcc

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Again, nonsense.

We know with the evidence of our eyes that a crime was committed in Omagh.

We don't know that a crime was committed in breaking the OSA. A big difference.

Breaking the OSA is a crime blanch. What we don't know is whether Varadkar did that or not.

jmcc

jmcc wrote: »

Sunday Times:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzNA_ZAUYAkqPgR?format=jpg&name=medium

Regards...jmcc

Pity I can't read that on my phone, it's blurry

jmcc

Sindo reporting that Varadkar handed over his mobile too.

Regards...jmcc

jmcc

Deleted User wrote: »

Pity I can't read that on my phone, it's blurry

Probably intentionally so. The Broadsheet.ie generally has the front pages of the Sunday newspapers up close to midnight.

Regards...jmcc

Johnthemanager

jmcc wrote: »

Probably intentionally so. The Broadsheet.ie generally has the front pages of the Sunday newspapers up close to midnight.

Regards...jmcc

Says fine gael leader Leo varadker has been questioned under caution by the Gardai, and they have examined his phone.

McMurphy

Johnthemanager wrote: »

Says fine gael leader Leo varadker has been questioned under caution by the Gardai, and they have examined his phone.

Highly doubt Leo's phone in 2021 is the same one he was using in April 19.


But besides that - the leader of the self styled law and order party has been questioned by AGS and had his phone taken for examination. This is surely unprecedented
.

blackcard

Deleted User wrote: »

Pity I can't read that on my phone, it's blurry

Seems to say that it is doutbtful that Varadkar will ever face prosecution. The contract had no protected legal status as it was not classified. It may however be a minor breach of data protection

jmcc

Johnthemanager wrote: »

Says fine gael leader Leo varadker has been questioned under caution by the Gardai, and they have examined his phone.

There goes FG's Laura Norder vote.

Regards...jmcc