Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

jmcc

Wouldn't Varadkar have had to give up his password for his phone as well?

Regards...jmcc

caveat emptor

I'm sorry. Just to get serious for a second. If you believe "no crime committed" you are either delusional or complicit.

Clear abuse of position to benefit a personal friend and political position.

Croynism 101. Bananastan.

And people honestly ask why the children's hospital cost more than the tallest building in the world!

Jinglejangle69

caveat emptor wrote: »

I'm sorry. Just to get serious for a second. If you believe "no crime committed" you are either delusional or complicit.

Clear abuse of position to benefit a personal friend and political position.

Croynism 101. Bananastan.

I'm sorry.

In the article it says no evidence of what you are saying was found.

Suckit

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

If.
If.
If only Leo had attended a funeral ...

I can feel the sighs of disappointment.

None of the 'ifs' that I referred to are in any way far fetched. In fact, they are far more likely than not imo.
Also, I wasn't referring to so much about what could be in them, as opposed to how retrievable they probably are.



TBH, it is enough that they took his phone. They probably have good reason, and that doesn't look good in itself. I can't imagine they took the decision to ask him for it too lightly.

caveat emptor

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I'm sorry.

In the article it says no evidence of what you are saying was found.

Don't believe everything you read Jingle.

Friends have friends in high places.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Especially when you don't look for it. :pac:

My name is URL

My name is URL wrote: »

What would you be able to uncover? You can barely string a sentence together

Could be wrong here, dude, but I'm getting some angry vibes off you.



I know a lot of time, emotional effort, and hope went into this story for a lot of the punters in this forum, but it was always a nothingburger.

jmcc

"Calls to Varadkar's spokesperson went unanswered." Hardly vote of confidence, is it?

Regards...jmcc

costacorta

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Could be wrong here, dude, but I'm getting some angry vibes off you.



I know a lot of time, emotional effort, and hope went into this story for a lot of the punters in this forum, but it was always a nothingburger.

There true colours always shine through. Maybe his mammy sent him to bed early?

jmcc

jmcc wrote: »

"Calls to Varadkar's spokesperson went unanswered." Hardly vote of confidence, is it?

Regards...jmcc

I presume he's not going to give a statement based on an investigation that is still ongoing.

blackcard

TestIcicle wrote: »

I am the employee of a large UK based newspaper (though I myself am Irish, co Wexford originally) I have it on very good authority that there's a major, major story about to break on Leo Varadkar, probably in tomorrow's papers.

I'm not at liberty to give further information just yet, but its directly related to this debacle. Leo knows that the news will break imminently.

What an anti-climax

skimpydoo

This story has more twists and turns before it's over. Leo may or may not be charged but his and FG's reputation has gone down a few notches. The leader of the Law and Order party handing over their phone to the Guards is not a good look and you have to at least agree with that.

skimpydoo

Deleted User wrote: »

I presume he's not going to give a statement based on an investigation that is still ongoing.

Why not? Leo has in the past.

Suckit

Deleted User wrote: »

I presume he's not going to give a statement based on an investigation that is still ongoing.

That photo is very apt. Well done. Crazy conspiracy theorists thinking all sorts of crazy.

I can only think of a couple of former leaders that have had their phones investigated. But of course there may be hundreds more. They all probably had their own crazy's talking crazy too.
Pena Nieto and Nicolas Sarkozy come to mind. I am sure there may be a few in Asia and/or possibly others in South America.
I am hoping somebody could tell us how any of them went? Are they still under investigation? Did they get the all clear?
Does it happen often?
Sarkozy investigation was a long one IIRC. Started back in 2014 I believe. Hopefully Leo's doesn't take that long.

caveat emptor

skimpydoo wrote: »

Why not? Leo has in the past.

Yeah he said with great confidence that he wouldn't be charged.


A super power only afforded to former taoisigh.

jmcc

Deleted User wrote: »

I presume he's not going to give a statement based on an investigation that is still ongoing.

Politics is all about perception. Not having Varadkar's spokesperson give a comment, even if it is just to confirm that Varadkar was interviewed under caution by the Gardai, creates a vacuum. FG loses control of the narrative. That's bad.

To supporters of political parties with no experience in Journalism, it may seem like nothing. To those who understand Journalism and have experience with it, it is dangerous because it increases the opportunity for speculation.

Speculation destroys certainty. That speculation increases the probability of FG losing votes because it has a damaged leader who is a liability to the party. If FG had competent political managers, Varadkar would never have been made leader of FG.

Regards...jmcc

Jinglejangle69

jmcc wrote: »

Politics is all about perception. Not having Varadkar's spokesperson give a comment even if it is just to confirm that Varadkar was interviewed under caution by the Gardai creates a vacuum. FG loses control of the narrative. That's bad.

To supporters of political parties with no experience in Journalism, it may seem like nothing. To those who understand Journalism and have experience with it, it is dangerous because it increases the opportunity for speculation.

Speculation destroys certainty. That speculation increases the probability of FG losing votes because it has a damaged leader who is a liability to the party. If FG had competent political managers, Varadkar would never have been made leader of FG.

Regards...jmcc

Speculation destroys certainty??

Did you come up with that yourself!??

jmcc

jmcc wrote: »

To those who understand Journalism and have experience with it, it is dangerous because it increases the opportunity for speculation.

What's your experience of journalism apart from complaining about it on the internet for the past quarter of a century? The Times have reported on the facts. The conspiracy theory stuff around here and with the pirate flag crew on Twitter is where the speculation is running wild.

Jizique

jmcc wrote: »

Politics is all about perception. Not having Varadkar's spokesperson give a comment, even if it is just to confirm that Varadkar was interviewed under caution by the Gardai, creates a vacuum. FG loses control of the narrative. That's bad.

To supporters of political parties with no experience in Journalism, it may seem like nothing. To those who understand Journalism and have experience with it, it is dangerous because it increases the opportunity for speculation.

Speculation destroys certainty. That speculation increases the probability of FG losing votes because it has a damaged leader who is a liability to the party. If FG had competent political managers, Varadkar would never have been made leader of FG.

Regards...jmcc

Great day for the Brexit brigade and all in the DUP and Tory party who hate the role Varadkar had in bringing about the NI protocol and the TCA - his firmness in refusing to engage in Ireland/UK dialogue while insisting that everything went through Brussels has led to him emerging as a figure of hate for those who want to destroy our position in the EU

caveat emptor

If anyone is looking for a new phone I know someone who can sort you out?

New one in the morning no questions asked.

FrancieBrady

DPC is gonna be busy too. A political party and the Tanaiste to investigat. Another few months of this to run yet.

jmcc

Deleted User wrote: »

What's your experience of journalism apart from complaining about it on the internet for the past quarter of a century?

Years working as a journalist before you ever knew there was a World Wide Web.

Regards...jmcc

blanch152

jmcc wrote: »

"Calls to Varadkar's spokesperson went unanswered." Hardly vote of confidence, is it?

Regards...jmcc

The same people who complain about Varadkar talking to the media about the case complain when he doesn't talk to the media.

Plus ca change.

jmcc

blanch152 wrote: »

The same people who complain about Varadkar talking to the media about the case complain when he doesn't talk to the media.

No comment from Varadkar's spokesperson rather than Varadkar. There's a difference.

Regards...jmcc

skimpydoo

blanch152 wrote: »

The same people who complain about Varadkar talking to the media about the case complain when he doesn't talk to the media.

Plus ca change.

All his spokesperson has to do is confirm the latest story and then say I can't comment any further as it's still an ongoing investigation. By not saying anything speculation seeps in and there will be a lot said on Social Media that won't look good.

blanch152

jmcc wrote: »

Sunday Times:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzNA_ZAUYAkqPgR?format=jpg&name=medium

Regards...jmcc

What a complete waste of Garda time.

As I said from the start and the article confirms - "the contract had no protected legal status as it was not classified". From the very start of this, I made this exact point. I was ridiculed by conspiracy theorists and anti-Varadkar nutcases, some of whom have since disappeared, that I was making things up. Seems I was right all along.

Am I surprised that Garda sources are saying that there won't be a prosecution? Not a bit is the answer. The Gardai should charge the complainant with wasting Garda time, as no crime was committed.

Jinglejangle69

skimpydoo wrote: »

All his spokesperson has to do is confirm the latest story and then say I can't comment any further as it's still an ongoing investigation. By not saying anything speculation seeps in and there will be a lot said on Social Media that won't look good.

Social media??

The great bastion of democracy and decency.

blanch152

skimpydoo wrote: »

All his spokesperson has to do is confirm the latest story and then say I can't comment any further as it's still an ongoing investigation. By not saying anything speculation seeps in and there will be a lot said on Social Media that won't look good.

Well, gutter journalism will speculate, but I am sure that as a reputable journalist, you wouldn't be indulging in that kind of speculation and will be reporting that Varadkar won't be charged, which is the main point of the story.

TheTruth21

blanch152 wrote: »

The same people who complain about Varadkar talking to the media about the case complain when he doesn't talk to the media.

Plus ca change.

We all now know why hes been so quiet the last week or so.
The law and order party

blanch152

TheTruth21 wrote: »

We all now know why hes been so quiet the last week or so.
The law and order party

Leo has been on radio a lot during the last week, especially compared to the missing in action Mary-Lou.

jmcc

TheTruth21 wrote: »

We all now know why hes been so quiet the last week or so.
The law and order party

He even wanted his phone back and the Gardai said no.

Regards...jmcc