Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

FrancieBrady

Hạ Long Bay wrote: »

So you agree that poster claimed that LV would face jail time? That's all I was trying to point out.

Jesus.

Anyone being criminally investigated MAY do jail time.

'Expecting them' to is a different thing.

jmcc

Hạ Long Bay wrote: »

Can't find anything there about the election process thats why I asked here.

This is still Boards.ie

Is it a coronation?

Think that only Labour does that kind of thing. Though they had to replace the invisible Howlin afterwards.

That might explain why I can't see the results.

Well, this is Boards.ie

Regards...jmcc

TheTruth21

Hạ Long Bay wrote: »

Can't find anything there about the election process thats why I asked here.

Is it a coronation? That might explain why I can't see the results.

This is a thread about Leo Varadkar, why would you not ask the question on a Sinn Fein thread?

Ha Long Bay

TheTruth21 wrote: »

This is a thread about Leo Varadkar, why would you not ask the question on a Sinn Fein thread?

Ask the poster who brought it up. I just replied.

jmcc wrote: »

The majority of FG members voted for Coveney as leader. The FG politburo (the Oireachtas party) installed their candidate as leader. The voting totals were posted earlier in this thread, I think. Coveney got more votes.

Regards...jmcc

jmcc

Hạ Long Bay wrote: »

Ask the poster who brought it up. I just replied.

So SF is now FG? Confusing Boards.ie with Sinnfein.ie was bad but this is going to have FGers spluttering their morning tea out their noses later this morning.

Regards...jmcc

Ha Long Bay

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Jesus.

Anyone being criminally investigated MAY do jail time.

'Expecting them' to is a different thing.

Fully agree. Your original post talking about him maybe going to jail was pure hyperbole.

Thanks for clearing that up.

TheTruth21

Hạ Long Bay wrote: »

Ask the poster who brought it up. I just replied.

More votes in the morning for parties other than Fine Gael, thanks to Leo

skimpydoo

I don't think Simon's interview with the Guards was under caution as this was not mentioned in the story about his interview. It looks like things may get more interesting and even if Leo is not charged he is tainted.

Ha Long Bay

jmcc wrote: »

So SF is now FG? Confusing Boards.ie with Sinnfein.ie was bad but this is going to have FGers spluttering their morning tea out their noses later this morning.

Regards...jmcc

What are you on about? This post makes no sense.


A poster said this:

"The majority of FG members voted for Coveney as leader. The FG politburo (the Oireachtas party) installed their candidate as leader. The voting totals were posted earlier in this thread, I think. Coveney got more votes.

Regards...jmcc"



I responded asking where I could see the results of the SF election of MLMD thats all.

FrancieBrady

Hạ Long Bay wrote: »

Fully agree. Your original post talking about him maybe going to jail was pure hyperbole.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I think the built in admission that you think somebody under criminal investigation does not face the possibility of jail is just freaking wonderful. Bending stark facts to defend FG. Excellent!
Nite.

jmcc

Hạ Long Bay wrote: »

What are you on about? This post makes no sense.


A poster said this:

"The majority of FG members voted for Coveney as leader. The FG politburo (the Oireachtas party) installed their candidate as leader. The voting totals were posted earlier in this thread, I think. Coveney got more votes.

Regards...jmcc"



I responded asking where I could see the results of the SF election of MLMD thats all.

Have you tried contacting Sinn Fein via the Sinnfein.ie website? This is Boards.ie

Regards...jmcc

Ha Long Bay

jmcc wrote: »

Have you tried contacting Sinn Fein via the Sinnfein.ie website? This is Boards.ie

Regards...jmcc

I don't really want to get listed on the SF database so thought it was better just reply here.

Ha Long Bay

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think the built in admission that you think somebody under criminal investigation does not face the possibility of jail is just freaking wonderful. Bending stark facts to defend FG. Excellent!
Nite.

Instead of going around in circles do you still believe LV may go to jail on these charges?

Suckit

Deleted User wrote: »

The dictionary definitions are out. Probably time for us all to call it a night.

Sometimes the only way to show where the error lies. I won't stop you calling it a night (or a day) though.

FrancieBrady

Hạ Long Bay wrote: »

Instead of going around in circles do you still believe LV may go to jail on these charges?

I never thought he would.

tikkahunter

Hạ Long Bay wrote: »

""Originally Posted by FrancieBrady View Post
Leo may still do jail time"


Any shred of respect I had for you as a poster is well gone now.

Respect as poster , seriously. Defends Peados , rapists , criminals, armed robbers , drug dealers , punishment beatings , kangaroo courts , child killers - actually the list grows by the day .If it’s not a joke account then the poster has no morels whatsoever.

FrancieBrady

tikkahunter wrote: »

Respect as poster , seriously. Defends Peados , rapists , criminals, armed robbers , drug dealers , punishment beatings , kangaroo courts , child killers - actually the list grows by the day .If it’s not a joke account then the poster has no morels whatsoever.

Now comes the outright lies.

Ha Long Bay

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I never thought he would.[/QUOTE



Again proving why I can't find your posts genuine after this.


"Leo may still do jail time."


Why post this if you never thought he would?

FrancieBrady

Hạ Long Bay wrote: »

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I never thought he would.[/QUOTE



Again proving why I can't find your posts genuine after this.


"Leo may still do jail time."


Why post this if you never thought he would?

What outcomes 'may' there be from a criminal investigation the penalty for which is up to 12 years in jail?

Sleep on it. It might occur to you that a fact is different from my expectation.

I didn't at any point 'expect' him to face jail.

Ha Long Bay

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Hạ Long Bay wrote: »

What outcomes 'may' there be from a criminal investigation the penalty for which is up to 12 years in jail?

Sleep on it. It might occur to you that a fact is different from my expectation.

I didn't at any point 'expect' him to face jail.

You did.


You said: "Leo may still do jail time."


Goodnight.

TheTruth21

The Sunday Times article states him amd his not friend are friends

skimpydoo

According to the Sindo:

Tánaiste quizzed by gardaí over leak

Fine Gael leader questioned for several hours over sharing of confidential GP deal

Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has been questioned by gardaí over the leaking of a confidential Government document, while detectives also took possession of the Fine Gael leader’s mobile phone after he handed it over in a major upscaling of the investigation.

The Sunday Independent can reveal that Mr Varadkar was questioned for several hours at a Dublin garda station on Friday April 9 by detectives from the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation (NBCI). The investigators also examined his mobile phone as part of the probe.

He met gardaí by appointment and was questioned for several hours by officers in the presence of his solicitor. His statement to gardaí over the controversy was voluntary.

The Tánaiste is under investigation over his leaking of a confidential copy of the Government’s proposed new GP contract with the Irish Medical Organisation (IMO) to his friend, Dr Maitiú Ó Tuathail, in 2019.

A spokesperson for Mr Varadkar said last night: “The Tanaiste met the gardaí voluntarily by appointment earlier this month. He made a full statement and answered all questions. On advice the Tanaiste cannot say anything further until the investigation is complete. He has made a full account to the Dáil on this matter and looks forward to it being concluded.”

Dr Ó Tuathail was the head of the rival National Association of General Practitioners at the time.
He has now also been interviewed by investigating officers, it is understood.

Dr Ó Tuathail met gardaí by arrangement at Terenure garda station on Monday April 5 and provided a voluntary statement following questioning.

He was also accompanied by a solicitor. Sources say that a “major focus” of Dr Ó Tuathail’s questioning was the exact nature of his friendship and his history with Mr Varadkar, as well as specifics about how the Tánaiste leaked the GP contract to him.

Former health minister Simon Harris provided gardaí with a statement in relation to the probe in February.

There is no suggestion of any wrongdoing by Dr Ó Tuathail or Mr Harris.

A spokesman for Garda headquarters declined to comment when contacted, saying: “In relation to your enquiry, An Garda Síochána does not comment on ongoing investigations.”

As detectives from NBCI have now spoken to both the Tánaiste and Dr Ó Tuathail — considered the key people in the probe — they will now begin their preparation of a file over the matter to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP).

It is understood that gardaí intend to outline all the facts of the case to the DPP and it will be left up to the State prosecutor to make a decision on whether or not charges should be brought against Mr Varadkar.

Detectives can make a recommendation in any file submitted to the State prosecutor on whether criminal charges should be proffered. But in this instance, gardaí are expected to just outline the facts of the case, leaving the matter entirely up to the DPP to adjudicate on, which is also within the Garda remit.

Gardaí are examining whether the leak is a breach of the Official Secrets Act.

The official complaint, made by a whistleblower at the Department of Health, centres around the leaking incident which took place in April 2019.

Assistant commissioner John O’Driscoll, who oversees Special Crime Operations, supervised an extensive initial review of the complaint.

It was later deemed that a full investigation into the controversy was warranted. Mr O’Driscoll heads the NBCI, which was duly tasked with leading the ongoing Garda investigation.

Mr Varadkar apologised in the Dáil last November after it emerged that he provided a confidential copy of the proposed new GP contract to his friend Dr Ó Tuathail.

The document, which was marked ‘confidential’, had been agreed between the Irish Medical Organisation and the Government, and was shared by Mr Varadkar with Dr Ó Tuathail, who was then the head of a rival GP group.

In February, Mr Varadkar offered to meet gardaí to help them with their then preliminary inquiries into the leaking of the confidential document.

The Tánaiste said at the time that his legal advice was that he had “committed no offence” and that he was willing to provide a “full statement” on the circumstances surrounding the leaking of a copy of the document.

“I am aware that a complaint was made against me last November,” he said on February 15.

“This was widely reported at the time. The gardaí have to do their job and investigate that complaint. I would expect nothing else.

"They have not been in contact with me about the matter but I have, through my solicitors, made contact with them and I have offered to meet with them, answer any questions they may have, and provide a full statement on the matter.

“The facts are no different to those set out by me in the Dáil last November. My legal advice is that I have committed no offence. I look forward to the matter being concluded.”

Mr Varadkar survived a Dáil motion of no confidence tabled by Sinn Féin in November last year on foot of the controversy.

At that point, he acknowledged that what he did was “not best practice” and an “error of judgment”.

Mr Varadkar told the Dáil: “There was nothing selfish, corrupt, dishonest or illegal in what I did.”


You will notice what is in bold text has not been said about Varadkar.

Brendan Bendar

Hmmm... lot of anger out there last night.......

They think it’s all over..........it is now

Jinglejangle69

skimpydoo wrote: »

According to the Sindo:

Tánaiste quizzed by gardaí over leak

Fine Gael leader questioned for several hours over sharing of confidential GP deal

Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has been questioned by gardaí over the leaking of a confidential Government document, while detectives also took possession of the Fine Gael leader’s mobile phone after he handed it over in a major upscaling of the investigation.

The Sunday Independent can reveal that Mr Varadkar was questioned for several hours at a Dublin garda station on Friday April 9 by detectives from the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation (NBCI). The investigators also examined his mobile phone as part of the probe.

He met gardaí by appointment and was questioned for several hours by officers in the presence of his solicitor. His statement to gardaí over the controversy was voluntary.

The Tánaiste is under investigation over his leaking of a confidential copy of the Government’s proposed new GP contract with the Irish Medical Organisation (IMO) to his friend, Dr Maitiú Ó Tuathail, in 2019.

A spokesperson for Mr Varadkar said last night: “The Tanaiste met the gardaí voluntarily by appointment earlier this month. He made a full statement and answered all questions. On advice the Tanaiste cannot say anything further until the investigation is complete. He has made a full account to the Dáil on this matter and looks forward to it being concluded.”

Dr Ó Tuathail was the head of the rival National Association of General Practitioners at the time.
He has now also been interviewed by investigating officers, it is understood.

Dr Ó Tuathail met gardaí by arrangement at Terenure garda station on Monday April 5 and provided a voluntary statement following questioning.

He was also accompanied by a solicitor. Sources say that a “major focus” of Dr Ó Tuathail’s questioning was the exact nature of his friendship and his history with Mr Varadkar, as well as specifics about how the Tánaiste leaked the GP contract to him.

Former health minister Simon Harris provided gardaí with a statement in relation to the probe in February.

There is no suggestion of any wrongdoing by Dr Ó Tuathail or Mr Harris.

A spokesman for Garda headquarters declined to comment when contacted, saying: “In relation to your enquiry, An Garda Síochána does not comment on ongoing investigations.”

As detectives from NBCI have now spoken to both the Tánaiste and Dr Ó Tuathail — considered the key people in the probe — they will now begin their preparation of a file over the matter to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP).

It is understood that gardaí intend to outline all the facts of the case to the DPP and it will be left up to the State prosecutor to make a decision on whether or not charges should be brought against Mr Varadkar.

Detectives can make a recommendation in any file submitted to the State prosecutor on whether criminal charges should be proffered. But in this instance, gardaí are expected to just outline the facts of the case, leaving the matter entirely up to the DPP to adjudicate on, which is also within the Garda remit.

Gardaí are examining whether the leak is a breach of the Official Secrets Act.

The official complaint, made by a whistleblower at the Department of Health, centres around the leaking incident which took place in April 2019.

Assistant commissioner John O’Driscoll, who oversees Special Crime Operations, supervised an extensive initial review of the complaint.

It was later deemed that a full investigation into the controversy was warranted. Mr O’Driscoll heads the NBCI, which was duly tasked with leading the ongoing Garda investigation.

Mr Varadkar apologised in the Dáil last November after it emerged that he provided a confidential copy of the proposed new GP contract to his friend Dr Ó Tuathail.

The document, which was marked ‘confidential’, had been agreed between the Irish Medical Organisation and the Government, and was shared by Mr Varadkar with Dr Ó Tuathail, who was then the head of a rival GP group.

In February, Mr Varadkar offered to meet gardaí to help them with their then preliminary inquiries into the leaking of the confidential document.

The Tánaiste said at the time that his legal advice was that he had “committed no offence” and that he was willing to provide a “full statement” on the circumstances surrounding the leaking of a copy of the document.

“I am aware that a complaint was made against me last November,” he said on February 15.

“This was widely reported at the time. The gardaí have to do their job and investigate that complaint. I would expect nothing else.

"They have not been in contact with me about the matter but I have, through my solicitors, made contact with them and I have offered to meet with them, answer any questions they may have, and provide a full statement on the matter.

“The facts are no different to those set out by me in the Dáil last November. My legal advice is that I have committed no offence. I look forward to the matter being concluded.”

Mr Varadkar survived a Dáil motion of no confidence tabled by Sinn Féin in November last year on foot of the controversy.

At that point, he acknowledged that what he did was “not best practice” and an “error of judgment”.

Mr Varadkar told the Dáil: “There was nothing selfish, corrupt, dishonest or illegal in what I did.”


You will notice what is in bold text has not been said about Varadkar.

That's not what the article said last night that was linked here.

McMurphy

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

That's not what the article said last night that was linked here.

Two articles differ?

Next thing you know there'll be an article with s headline that Leo has to move home with a URL that is later altered so it returns a 404.

What I've been reading is that the file has been sent to DPP, detectives from the NCBI haven't made any recommendations with the file.

Jinglejangle69

McMurphy wrote: »

Two articles differ?

Next thing you know there'll be an article with s headline that Leo has to move home with a URL that is later altered so it returns a 404.

What I've been reading is that the file has been sent to DPP, detectives from the NCBI haven't made any recommendations with the file.

Well the one last night said no law was broken and Gardai don't believe any charges will be brought.

So let's wait and see

Brendan Bendar

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Hmmm... lot of anger out there last night.......

They think it’s all over..........it is now

A lot of time put in down the outrage pits amongst some of the regulars around here, Brendan. And for what? Nout.

I see LV remains the most popular party leader amongst the electorate based on an opinion poll out this morning.

That must be upping the bile levels in some lads. You’d almost feel sorry for some of them. Like waking up on Christmas morning and discovering Santa didn’t visit yet again.

_Kaiser_

The desperation to downplay all this over the last 12 hours or so on this thread is so transparent it's ridiculous.

However you cut it, having the leader of FG and former/future Taioseach being the subject of a criminal investigation and interviewed as such is not a good look for him or the party. That's indisputable.

However this being Ireland, unless he actually faces charges, the pro-FGers here are right that it'll all be forgotten regardless. You only have to look at the electoral success of certain other politicians past and present despite some of the stuff that they were involved in or accused of. As a country we have an extremely poor history of holding anyone to account (including serial offending criminals).

I particularly noticed from the Indo article that the Gardai have declined to offer an opinion for the DPP file which smacks of passing the buck to me but is probably unsurprising given who it involves, but that in itself is a problem too as it should make no difference who or what position someone holds in this country. I somehow doubt Varadkar was treated in the same way as others who would be interviewed either.

Unless the DPP agree to move forward (unlikely in my view, despite the fact that Varadkar admits obtaining and providing the document in question), this will all go away shortly, at least from the criminal aspect of the matter. Whether or not FG believe that they can continue with Varadkar at the helm is another matter. In most other countries he'd already have been removed, but voter apathy and FG arrogance will probably see him through if he chooses to stay on.

Well, lads. Has Leo been hung, drawn and quartered yet? He was interviewed over a week ago and it’s only now come to light? Why is that, I wonder? Nothing new has come to light.

mattser

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, lads. Has Leo been hung, drawn and quartered yet? He was interviewed over a week ago and it’s only now come to light? Why is that, I wonder? Nothing new has come to light.

In fairness there is a great article this morning on the Chelsea/Man City match yesterday. Hardly an earth shattering scoop though.