Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

mattser

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Hmmm... lot of anger out there last night.......

They think it’s all over..........it is now

Lads up till 2am talking bs about a non story BB. Some people.

Brendan Bendar

Deleted User wrote: »

A lot of time put in down the outrage pits amongst some of the regulars around here, Brendan. And for what? Nout.

I see LV remains the most popular party leader amongst the electorate based on an opinion poll out this morning.

That must be upping the bile levels in some lads. You’d almost feel sorry for some of them. Like waking up on Christmas morning and discovering Santa didn’t visit yet again.

Doctor I was not there myself, at a slab fest with a few mates in our bubble.

There will be a lot of bile swilling through the veins and arteries of this thread over the next few days, might be an idea to lie low till is washes through.

Might go back into the cocoon mesell.

ooter

Maybe this has been asked before but why do the latest developments always seem to break on a Sunday, is there a reason for that or just coincidence?

mattser

TheTruth21 wrote: »

More votes in the morning for parties other than Fine Gael, thanks to Leo

Don't go into the horoscope business :pac:

Jinglejangle69

ooter wrote: »

Maybe this has been asked before but why do the latest developments always seem to break on a Sunday, is there a reason for that or just coincidence?

Money money money.

FrancieBrady

Hạ Long Bay wrote: »

You did.


You said: "Leo may still do jail time."


Goodnight.

I didn't and it is provable.

I can say this today and it is still perfectly true and accurate because when you are the subject of a STILL ongoing criminal investigation you may go to jail, no matter who you are;

'Leo MAY still do jail time but I do not EXPECT him to'.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Leo MAY still do jail time but I do not EXPECT him to'.

As any Etymology/linguistics/English professor will tell you,that statement also applies to you and me
Theres nothing left in the bottom of the barrell it seems other than hope
My view for what its worth,if the Gardaí have found no crime as the Sunday Times source suggests
Its curtains for your hope I'm afraid

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

As any Etymology/linguistics/English professor will tell you,that statement also applies to you and me
Theres nothing left in the bottom of the barrell it seems other than hope
My view for what its worth,if the Gardaí have found no crime as the Sunday Times source suggests
Its curtains for your hope I'm afraid

No doubt that it applies to us all. But all of us are not under a criminal investigation are we?

If the DDP (not the Gardai who are not the experts here BTW) finds no crime, then Leo reverts to having the same chance of going to jail as the rest of us not under criminal investigation.

But you are going to have to wait a while longer for that so news that it is over is a bit premature and we will SILL be left with a Tanaiste (soon to be Taoiseach) who has confessed to wrongdoing and leaking a what he believed was a confidential document knowingly.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No doubt that it applies to us all. But all of us are not under a criminal investigation are we?

If the DDP (not the Gardai who are not the experts here BTW) finds no crime, then Leo reverts to having the same chance of going to jail as the rest of us not under criminal investigation.

But you are going to have to wait a while longer for that so news that it is over is a bit premature and we will SILL be left with a Tanaiste (soon to be Taoiseach) who has confessed to wrongdoing and leaking a what he believed was a confidential document knowingly.

I haven't said its over,but being realistic,I expect it is
As regards your language,Im afraid you are wrong
We all may go to jail
Thats the beauty of the word may
Expectations are a different matter,that word implies consideration of the matters in front of you and its good that you are (finally) being realistic there

Ten of Swords

My name is URL do not post in this thread again

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

I haven't said its over,but being realistic,I expect it is
As regards your language,Im afraid you are wrong
We all may go to jail
Thats the beauty of the word may
Expectations are a different matter,that word implies consideration of the matters in front of you and its good that you are (finally) being realistic there

'Finally'?

Clutching at straws again. I never expected him to go to jail because it just doesn't happen here that we do accountability for wrongdoing like this.

markodaly

jmcc wrote: »

Politics is all about perception. Not having Varadkar's spokesperson give a comment, even if it is just to confirm that Varadkar was interviewed under caution by the Gardai, creates a vacuum. FG loses control of the narrative. That's bad.

To be fair, this is horse****. See the Sindo.

To supporters of political parties with no experience in Journalism, it may seem like nothing. To those who understand Journalism and have experience with it, it is dangerous because it increases the opportunity for speculation.

Again, this is nonsense.

Speculation destroys certainty. That speculation increases the probability of FG losing votes because it has a damaged leader who is a liability to the party. If FG had competent political managers, Varadkar would never have been made leader of FG.

If Coveny was made leader, we would be hearing the same stuff about him. Anyway, unlike other parties who coronate their leaders in a smoked filled back office, FG elects them through an electoral college.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

To be fair, this is horse****. See the Sindo.



Again, this is nonsense.



If Coveny was made leader, we would be hearing the same stuff about him. Anyway, unlike other parties who coronate their leaders in a smoked filled back office, FG elects them through an electoral college.

Electoral college is just anther way of saying 'coronated by an elite within the party' in the case of FG.

They have reserved the right to over-rule the membership choice. In this case approx 3000 chose Varadkar and over 7000 chose Coveney. Go figure and don't be throwing stones in the greenhouse!

FG members know how the system works. It’s a pretty common approach to electing a new leader tbh - standard enough fare across Europe.

I know you only voted for SF for the first time in the last election, Francie, but did you ever manage to find out for SF vote in a new leader? You must have gone from a maybe to a definite on the auld Abù system.

Larbre34

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A lot of time put in down the outrage pits amongst some of the regulars around here, Brendan. And for what? Nout.

I see LV remains the most popular party leader amongst the electorate based on an opinion poll out this morning.

That must be upping the bile levels in some lads. You’d almost feel sorry for some of them. Like waking up on Christmas morning and discovering Santa didn’t visit yet again.

There was a very funny tweet yesterday which went something like

"the editors of the Sun and Daily Mail when they see William and Harry chatting and getting along" and included a clip of that blonde woman from Footballers Wives and Eastenders losing her shyt and wrecking her own flat in fury.

Thats whats happening here. Folk hanging on every word of Bowes and Cosgrave and their Fatal Attraction and expecting the devastating reveal, only to be disappointed again and again.

The whole affair has gone beyond pathetic already. LV will be Taoiseach again at the end of next year and will depart as Fine Gael leader probably when he loses some seats in 2025, not before. FF and the Greens will avoid an early election at any cost. ANY cost. And that is the bottom line here.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

FG members know how the system works. It’s a pretty common approach to electing a new leader tbh - standard enough fare across Europe.

I know you only voted for SF for the first time in the last election, Francie, but did you ever manage to find out for SF vote in a new leader? You must have gone from a maybe to a definite on the auld Abù system.

I don't really care how it is done Doc, I accept Mary Lou is the leader, and I accept what I am told about it, I care about people pretending things are what they are not.

A system that see's 7000 members ignored in favour of 3000 ain't democratic no matter how you write it up. So stop calling it that.

Bubbaclaus

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't really care how it is done Doc, I accept Mary Lou is the leader, and I accept what I am told about it, I care about people pretending things are what they are not.

A system that see's 7000 members ignored in favour of 3000 ain't democratic no matter how you write it up. So stop calling it that.

Why do you not care about how one party leader is selected, yet seem to be obsessed with how another party leader is? Both were legitimately elected under the rules put in place by each party, and known by the members of each party.

Is it simply because of who the person is? Very odd to keep bringing up.

Jesus, there’s a lot of very very angry Shinnerbot and Pirate Flag sorts over on Twitter today. Lashing out at journalists, politicians from other parties, people commenting on articles.

Mary Lou should ask for calm from the online army. It’s really not a good look. Call off the dogs of war.

Jinglejangle69

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Jesus, there’s a lot of very very angry Shinnerbot and Pirate Flag sorts over on Twitter today. Lashing out at journalists, politicians from other parties, people commenting on articles.

Mary Lou should ask for calm from the online army. It’s really not a good look. Call off the dogs of war.

Seems they've assembled the full army today for this one.

Jinglejangle69

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Seems they've assembled the full army today for this one.

I’ve never seen them as bad tempered. It’s not the anonymous ones either - had a lad with a #think32, photo and lots of followers call me a ‘free state cünt’ earlier for calling out his whataboutery. One of the sorts with the badly translated Irish name.

costacorta

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’ve never seen them as bad tempered. It’s not the anonymous ones either - had a lad with a #think32, photo and lots of followers call me a ‘free state cünt’ earlier for calling out his whataboutery. One of the sorts with the badly translated Irish name.

Are you really surprised??

Larbre34

[Deleted User] wrote: »

the sorts with the badly translated Irish name.

Lol, how true is that. Pathetic. Clueless fools.

Fandymo

Some amount of LV fans out for a “nothing story”. Must be a very worrying time for them.

Larbre34

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It’s really not a good look. Call off the dogs of war.

The pups of pique more like.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A system that see's 7000 members ignored in favour of 3000 ain't democratic no matter how you write it up. So stop calling it that.

They weren't ignored,their members vote on the rules at their Ard Fheis
Their members also vote for the Dáil and council candidates and agree that the parliamentary party who have to work with a new leader are best placed to have a bigger say in his/her election
But every step of the way the decisions are rooted in party member decisions,who also decide the delegates sent to the Ard Fheis that can change those rules
Those members decided it was important that those working directly with a new leader have a bigger say in who that is

How rooted to the members is Sinn Féins structures in comparison? I would suggest it's structured differently but similarally with members knowing and accepting for the most part the weightings ye apply including accepting no election/ordaining a leader from the top
I've no issue with either to be honest
Members aren't members for the cod

FrancieBrady

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Why do you not care about how one party leader is selected, yet seem to be obsessed with how another party leader is? Both were legitimately elected under the rules put in place by each party, and known by the members of each party.

Is it simply because of who the person is? Very odd to keep bringing up.

'Obsessed'? This is a thread about FG. Where the subject of choosing a leader came up.

FrancieBrady

Fandymo wrote: »

Some amount of LV fans out for a “nothing story”. Must be a very worrying time for them.

They've been hand-waving this story away since it began.
It's still going as a story no matter what they try though.

Noted the poll today and it shows what I think will happen between now and the next election, Leo will lead FG back to their 20% approx of the vote while FF close the gap on them.
I genuinely hope they don't get rid of Leo, he's the best bet for finally getting rid of the power swap.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Electoral college is just anther way of saying 'coronated by an elite within the party' in the case of FG.

They have reserved the right to over-rule the membership choice. In this case approx 3000 chose Varadkar and over 7000 chose Coveney. Go figure and don't be throwing stones in the greenhouse!

We have been through this already, and I wrote a detailed post about it.

As I said, stones, glasshouses indeed for many many other political parties, like FF, Labour and SF who coronated their leader without even a vote cast.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

We have been through this already, and I wrote a detailed post about it.

As I said, stones, glasshouses indeed for many many other political parties, like FF, Labour and SF who coronated their leader without even a vote cast.

10,000 votes were ignored in FG and an elite of the party decided.

It doesn't matter if these are the 'rules' or if this is 'known' by the members...it is an elite of the party deciding. Votes cast don't matter, simple as that.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

10,000 votes were ignored in FG and an elite of the party decided.

It doesn't matter if these are the 'rules' or if this is 'known' by the members...it is an elite of the party deciding. Votes cast don't matter, simple as that.

Do you know what an electoral college is?

If you are so concerned about FG and the way they elect their leaders, I hope you are astonished and ashamed at other parties and the way they coronate their leaders like a Monarchy. But I guess you don't want to talk about that.