Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

jmcc

jmcc wrote: »

The biggest problem for FG is that the DPP will send the case forward for prosecution to avoid any problems with political favouritism.

'Will' ?
What is your evidence of this?

jmcc

Marine Layer wrote: »

'Will' ?
What is your evidence of this?

A source by the name of Hyp O'Thetical. It should be obvious even to FGers that this story has political ramifications for the DPP and everything will have to be seen to be above board and on the level.

Regards...jmcc

jmcc

jmcc wrote: »

A source by the name of Hyp O'Thetical. It should be obvious even to FGers that this story has political ramifications for the DPP and everything will have to be seen to be above board and on the level.

Aka wish casting
No evidence at all in other words

jmcc

Marine Layer wrote: »

Aka wish casting
No evidence at all in other words

"Wish casting"? Not quite sure if that's some kind of obscure FG rite (sort of how people get to run as GE candidates) but the political implications of this case are very real for the DPP. The DPP has to decide on whether to prosecute Varadkar or not. The risks of letting the case go to trial are lower for the DPP as it effectively hands the problem off to a court. That, surprisingly, is a better outcome for FG.

Regards...jmcc

jmcc

jmcc wrote: »

"Wish casting"? Not quite sure if that's some kind of obscure FG rite (sort of how people get to run as GE candidates) but the political implications of this case are very real for the DPP. The DPP has to decide on whether to prosecute Varadkar or not. The risks of letting the case go to trial are lower for the DPP as it effectively hands the problem off to a court. That, surprisingly, is a better outcome for FG.

So no evidence of a crime,but all your earnest wishes condensed in one post
At least its a short one

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

Yeah, amazing to see this thread spring into life whenever Leo gets some favourable publicity. The bitterness runs very deep.

The thread sprung into life when it was reported Kate O'Connell, and Barney Durkin were helping police with their enquiries, "concerning a person who is known to them", and them leaking confidential information to their friend.

The "favourable publicity" is the stuff marine layer introduced to the thread yesterday after the Durkin/, O'Connell story broke, and bubbaclaus has since informed us that Leo wanted to be kept low key anyway, so probably best to keep it that way in line with his wishes , (ssssshhhhh).

I'd hardly call 4 or 5 posters with the same fixed opinions springing into life anyway and I include myself in that in case anyone asks
A lot of it is just people posting to get a rise out of one another,an ultimately boring persuit

jmcc

Marine Layer wrote: »

I'd hardly call 4 or 5 posters with the same fixed opinions springing into life anyway and I include myself in that in case anyone asks
A lot of it is just people posting to get a rise out of one another,an ultimately boring persuit

Could be worse. The discussion on the SF database seemed to have a lot of database experts providing their opinion on a database schema that they hadn't seen and on database content that they didn't understand. That story has been a mainstay of the Sindo/Indo for the last few weeks. The problem for FG is that the story on Varadkar being questioned under caution bumped it. There is an air of desperation from the latest piece by Varadkar's biographer where Varadkar pleads with SF to delete the database.

This latest story is about Kate O'Connell being questioned as a witness was in the Sindo. That, in itself, is significant as it may indicate a change of mood on Varadkar and the leak. Eoghan Murphy's resignation could not have come at a worse time for Varadkar as he was the campaign manager for Varadkar's leadership campaign. That's another Varadkar ally gone from politics. Kate O'Connell isn't exactly a fan of Varadkar either but she did not provide a comment for the Sindo article. Wouldn't be surprising to see her leading FG in a few years if she gets the nomination and wins in Dublin Bay South.

Regards...jmcc

Shebean

Shouldn't a minister under criminal investigation stand aside of be put on desk duty as they say in the Garda? Even the Conservatives in the U.K. would step aside or even resign pending any investigation.
It calls into question everything that minister has done and is doing. Especially in this case because we know he did it. Criminal act of not won't change that.

jmcc

Shebean wrote: »

Shouldn't a minister under criminal investigation stand aside of be put on desk duty as they say in the Garda? Even the Conservatives in the U.K. would step aside or even resign pending any investigation.
It calls into question everything that minister has done and is doing. Especially in this case because we know he did it. Criminal act of not won't change that.

Evidently, Fine Gael is not a normal party. That might be a good Twitter hashtag (#notanormalparty). Wonder if anyone thought of it?

Regards...jmcc

Suckit

Shebean wrote: »

Shouldn't a minister under criminal investigation stand aside or be put on desk duty as they say in the Garda? Even the Conservatives in the U.K. would step aside or even resign pending any investigation.
It calls into question everything that minister has done and is doing. Especially in this case because we know he did it. Criminal act of not won't change that.

For so many reasons.

Shebean

Shebean wrote: »

Shouldn't a minister under criminal investigation stand aside of be put on desk duty as they say in the Garda? Even the Conservatives in the U.K. would step aside or even resign pending any investigation.
It calls into question everything that minister has done and is doing. Especially in this case because we know he did it. Criminal act of not won't change that.

The government don't want to set a precedent where any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave can disrupt the important business of the running of the country by setting in train processes like the one that's ongoing that they believe to have no basis

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

The government don't want to set a precedent where any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave can disrupt the important business of the running of the country by setting in train processes like the one that's ongoing that they believe to have no basis

If it had no basis weren't we loudly told the Gardai wouldn't have proceeded?

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If it had no basis weren't we loudly told the Gardai wouldn't have proceeded?

The gardai are doing a thorough investigation which is as it should be
The government of course are confident that it doesn't merit creating a precedent whereby any Tom, dick or paddy cosgrave can instigate processes like it to disrupt the business of running the country
That's also as it should be
It's known as governing

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

The gardai are doing a thorough investigation which is as it should be
The government of course are confident that it doesn't merit creating a precedent whereby any Tom, dick or paddy cosgrave can instigate processes like it to disrupt the business of running the country
That's also as it should be
It's known as governing

Thats just pro Leo nonsense tbh.

If there was no substance then we wouldn't be here.
The coalition circled the wagons and are hoping it goes no further.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Thats just pro Leo nonsense tbh.

If there was no substance then we wouldn't be here.
The coalition circled the wagons and are hoping it goes no further.

Any Tom dick or paddy Cosgrave can lay a complaint and it must be investigated
The government are confident that it doesn't merit creating a precedent whereby running the country is disrupted
They have moved on
Fact

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

Any Tom dick or paddy Cosgrave can lay a complaint and it must be investigated
The government are confident that it doesn't merit creating a precedent whereby running the country is disrupted
They have moved on
Fact

You are making it up as you go.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are making it up as you go.

Uncomfortable truth's for some it seems

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

Uncomfortable truth's for some it seems

Reassuring yourself is not fact.

We should be worried if a full criminal investigation is not worrying our government.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Reassuring yourself is not fact.

We should be worried if a full criminal investigation is not worrying our government.

It's not, because they have all the facts of the matter and are confident in their decision that processes like this that can be instigated by any Tom dick or paddy Cosgrave should not be allowed create a government disrupting precedent
Ergo, they've moved on

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

It's not, because they have all the facts of the matter and are confident in their decision that processes like this that can be instigated by any Tom dick or paddy Cosgrave should not be allowed create a government disrupting precedent
Ergo, they've moved on

More sycophantic government defending tbh.

There is a major crimminal investigation under two pieces of legislation ongoing.

Stop handwaving it's embarassing.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

More sycophantic government defending tbh.

There is a major crimminal investigation under two pieces of legislation ongoing.

Stop handwaving it's embarassing.

Ah, Handwaving, that thing you do in the wondrous thread regarding criminal associations in your party, except, it involves people charged with murder
I think you're the last one to be going on about Handwaving now
Here I've stuck to the known facts, that the government are confident that there's no crime and that they've moved on, letting the process that can be instigated by any Tom dick or Paddy cosgrave play out

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

Ah, Handwaving, that thing you do in the wondrous thread regarding criminal associations in your party, except, it involves people charged with murder
I think you're the last one to be going on about Handwaving now
Here I've stuck to the known facts, that the government are confident that there's no crime and that they've moved on, letting the process that can be instigated by any Tom dick or Paddy cosgrave play out

And some more handwaving with a bit of look over there.
Embarrassing.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And some more handwaving with a bit of look over there.
Embarrassing.

Uncomfortable truths do taste better with a constitutional, I'd wager

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

Uncomfortable truths do taste better with a constitutional, I'd wager

I'm sure you still be waffling about this when I get back. Might do an extra lap.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'm sure you still be waffling about this when I get back. Might do an extra lap.

Nope, fairly consistently just interested in the facts on this one

shatners bassoon

Marine Layer wrote: »

Nope, fairly consistently just interested in the facts on this one

Garda source quoted in one paper who doesn't think charges will be brought: not a fact.

Witness evidence "doubtlessly" backing up the government's position: not a fact.

ML being weirdly obsessed with Paddy Cosgrove, Sinn Fein, dodgy catchphrases and passive-aggressive emoji use : Fact.

It really is that simple

Suckit

Marine Layer wrote: »

The government don't want to set a precedent where any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave can disrupt the important business of the running of the country by setting in train processes like the one that's ongoing that they believe to have no basis

It isn't Paddy Cosgrave though, that leaked the documents. That is a real FG response, we see it all the time, blaming the people who called them out.
Leo is the person that leaked the documents and admitted it. Leo is under criminal investigation for leaking those documents.
Feel free to keep mentioning Paddy Cosgraves name because you think there is something clever in the way you do it (there really isn't. It's beyond stupid and sounds like a 5 year old is getting at your keyboard).
A TD under criminal investigation, who has nothing to worry about would stand aside to stop anything that might hinder the investigation.
Leo sitting in the seat of the Tanaiste means that some parts of the investigation will have to be undertaken in a very convoluted way to ensure there isn't any, or to prevent any, corruption.
There are other reasons he should step aside too.
So it really isn't about Paddy Cosgrave at all.
There are only a few Tom, Leo or Harry's that have the power to influence the investigation and disrupt the government (see, I can do it too *mindblown*), and Paddy Cosgrave isn't one of them.

Suckit

Suckit wrote: »

It isn't Paddy Cosgrave though, that leaked the documents. That is a real FG response, we see it all the time, blaming the people who called them out.
Leo is the person that leaked the documents and admitted it. Leo is under criminal investigation for leaking those documents.
Feel free to keep mentioning Paddy Cosgraves name because you think there is something clever in the way you do it (there really isn't. It's beyond stupid and sounds like a 5 year old is getting at your keyboard).
A TD under criminal investigation, who has nothing to worry about would stand aside to stop anything that might hinder the investigation.
Leo sitting in the seat of the Tanaiste means that some parts of the investigation will have to be undertaken in a very convoluted way to ensure there isn't any, or to prevent any, corruption.
There are other reasons he should step aside too.
So it really isn't about Paddy Cosgrave at all.
There are only a few Tom, Leo or Harry's that have the power to influence the investigation and disrupt the government (see, I can do it too *mindblown*), and Paddy Cosgrave isn't one of them.

All this is aspirational and only that
No crime,no Time according to the most recent newspaper scoops from Garda sources
The fact that anyone would be hoping that someone innocent should be sent down for non existent crimes should raise alarm bells about them,not the person they'd like to see go down

Jinglejangle69

Marine Layer wrote: »

All this is aspirational and only that
No crime,no Time according to the most recent newspaper scoops from Garda sources
The fact that anyone would be hoping that someone innocent should be sent down for non existent crimes should raise alarm bells about them,not the person they'd like to see go down

SF and their supporters have thrown all their eggs into this basket.

They are clinging onto it with their finger nails.