Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

Suckit

Marine Layer wrote: »

All this is aspirational and only that
No crime,no Time according to the most recent newspaper scoops from Garda sources
The fact that anyone would be hoping that someone innocent should be sent down for non existent crimes should raise alarm bells about them,not the person they'd like to see go down

Forget what anyone else thinks. Forget those that don't like or agree with Leo, forget the other parties.
There is nothing to say no crime has been broken yet, the last I read was Leo is still under a criminal investigation and they are still interviewing people.
He should stand aside and let them do their job properly.
If he is innocent or guilty, he should stand aside, but I would expect somebody who is innocent to do it faster.

Fann Linn

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

SF and their supporters have thrown all their eggs into this basket.

They are clinging onto it with their finger nails.

Not really Jingles, the same ones saying 'nothing to see here's, were the same ones calling for Stanley to step down as chair prior to Christmas over a few tweets.
It's just politics.

Suckit

Suckit wrote: »

If he is innocent or guilty, he should stand aside, but I would expect somebody who is innocent to do it faster.

The government who are in possession of the facts, have decided that this is not the stuff for precedent setting, opening the door for any Tom dick or Paddy Cosgrave to disrupt the business of running the country
If anyone has a problem with that,they are free to vote for Sinn Féin or someone like that if its that important to them at the next election
If Leo stood up in cabinet and shot one or two people,that would obviously be a different matter as a bullet wound and eye withnesses would be fairlly good reason to charge
The document on the other hand ,the government will know is not protected under the OSA
If it was you would have had your resignation long ago
So insted all you have is nothing new,no Crime and the Gardaí rightfully doing a thorough job investigating a complaint that any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave can instigate

shatners bassoon

Marine Layer wrote: »

The document on the other hand ,the government will know is not protected under the OSA
If it was you would have had your resignation long ago
So insted all you have is nothing new,no Crime and the Gardaí rightfully doing a thorough job investigating a complaint that any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave can instigate

Another post that's very light on facts.

You cannot seriously be suggesting that the Gardai are 'rightfully' taking four or five months to arrive at a conclusion that everyone else has apparently known from the outset.

If the document was so obviously not confidential as per the legislation, this would never have made it past the now infamous "not an investigation" stage.

In the scenario outlined above, the Gardai are bent or incompetent, take your pick.

Suckit

Marine Layer wrote: »

The government who are in possession of the facts,

Not all of them.

Marine Layer wrote: »

have decided that this is not the stuff for precedent setting, opening the door for any Tom dick or Paddy Cosgrave to disrupt the business of running the country

Again, the only people that can disrupt the government are the Tom, Leo or Harrys, by not standing aside or putting up obstacles etc.. This has nothing at all, whatsoever, in the slightest to do with Paddy Cosgrave. But I will say, it is very noticeable how much he seems to have shaken you whatever he has done.

Marine Layer wrote: »

If anyone has a problem with that,they are free to vote for Sinn Féin or someone like that if its that important to them at the next election

Pretty sure that's what many did the last election as Leo guided FG to their worst results in over 70 years. Not sure that anyone needs you to tell them that though.

Marine Layer wrote: »

If Leo stood up in cabinet and shot one or two people,that would obviously be a different matter as a bullet wound and eye withnesses would be fairlly good reason to charge
The document on the other hand ,the government will know is not protected under the OSA
If it was you would have had your resignation long ago
So insted all you have is nothing new,no Crime and the Gardaí rightfully doing a thorough job investigating a complaint that any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave can instigate

WTF is that waffle about? If somebody shot somebody.. bla bla..
So a crime is only a crime if there are eye witnesses and somebody is shot?
But again.. Paddy Cosgrave is not to blame for this investigation. It is Leo.

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

The government who are in possession of the facts, have decided that this is not the stuff for precedent setting, opening the door for any Tom dick or Paddy Cosgrave to disrupt the business of running the country
If anyone has a problem with that,they are free to vote for Sinn Féin or someone like that if its that important to them at the next election
If Leo stood up in cabinet and shot one or two people,that would obviously be a different matter as a bullet wound and eye withnesses would be fairlly good reason to charge
The document on the other hand ,the government will know is not protected under the OSA
If it was you would have had your resignation long ago
So insted all you have is nothing new,no Crime and the Gardaí rightfully doing a thorough job investigating a complaint that any Tom Dick or Paddy Cosgrave can instigate

As I thought still at it.

The government are not in control here. The Gardai and the DPP are.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As I thought still at it.

The government are not in control here. The Gardai and the DPP are.

The government are in control of the decision making around the document
They know its status and always have
Ergo they've moved on

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

The government are in control of the decision making around the document
They know its status and always have
Ergo they've moved on

They can move to Timbuktu for all it matters. This is a Garda/DPP matter.

McMurphy

It would seem Ireland has become an African tinpot dictatorship, no trials no courts, if the govt of the day believe one of their own didn't commit a crime, it's cool beans, they can move on, and everything's cool apparently.

(If I'm going to have to live in an African tinpot dictatorship, I at least expect better weather than what we had today FFS)

Meanwhile the Gardai continue to interview witnesses, and are actively preparing a file for the dpp to examine and decide whether or not a crime may have been committed.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They can move to Timbuktu for all it matters.

So can all your anger,it won't change justice

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

So can all your anger,it won't change justice

No anger here ML. Just a limited supply of popcorn...wish they'd get on with it.

Indeed,we agree on something here at least

atticu

McMurphy wrote: »

This "young buck" turned 40 last year, is university educated, a partner in a company in very specialised market, contracts with several large companies north and south of the border, in an industry that is pretty much recession proof.

Married to a similarly university educated professional, with her own successful career.

Father to four.

When will all this growing up, sense, and responsibilities start happening?

Would you have any proof of these claims?

McMurphy

atticu wrote: »

Would you have any proof of these claims?

Do I have proof to my qualifications, my role in the business, the work I do, how many children I fathered and am raising, and what my wife does

Yes. Of course I have.

It is not compulsory to post brain farts whenever you grace us with your presence atticu, you do realise that I assume?

Loafing Oaf

shatners bassoon wrote: »

In the scenario outlined above, the Gardai are bent or incompetent, take your pick.

atticu

McMurphy wrote: »

Do I have proof to my qualifications, my role in the business, the work I do, how many children I fathered and am raising, and what my wife does

Yes. Of course I have.

It is not compulsory to post brain farts whenever you grace us with your presence atticu, you do realise that I assume?

Can you back up your claims.
Please do so with proof.

Other wise, to use your words:

I used to sell crystal blue water which I personally had sucked up using my own mouth and a straw from the southern Atlantic to nomads in the deserts of Yemen.

The wife used to work in Chivers shaving the hairs of gooseberries so they could make gooseberry jam.

skimpydoo

Shebean wrote: »

Shouldn't a minister under criminal investigation stand aside of be put on desk duty as they say in the Garda? Even the Conservatives in the U.K. would step aside or even resign pending any investigation.
It calls into question everything that minister has done and is doing. Especially in this case because we know he did it. Criminal act of not won't change that.

Boris hasn't stepped aside yet and I am of the opinion that he and Leo should step aside.

skimpydoo

Marine Layer wrote: »

Any Tom dick or paddy Cosgrave can lay a complaint and it must be investigated
The government are confident that it doesn't merit creating a precedent whereby running the country is disrupted
They have moved on
Fact

Funnily enough last November we were told there was nothing to see hear and that it would quickly blow over. Yet here we still are.

McMurphy

atticu wrote: »

Can you back up your claims.
Please do so with proof.

Other wise, to use your words:

You want me to post my business details and qualifications on a public internet messaging board?

Anything else?

Stool sample perhaps?

Jinglejangle69

Suckit wrote: »

Forget what anyone else thinks. Forget those that don't like or agree with Leo, forget the other parties.
There is nothing to say no crime has been broken yet, the last I read was Leo is still under a criminal investigation and they are still interviewing people.
He should stand aside and let them do their job properly.
If he is innocent or guilty, he should stand aside, but I would expect somebody who is innocent to do it faster.

That's nonsense, absolute nonsense.

So someone should give up their career for an investigation that might end up showing they are innocent?

Would you give up something you worked for all your life if you were innocent?

Not a chance you would.

Jinglejangle69

McMurphy wrote: »

It would seem Ireland has become an African tinpot dictatorship, no trials no courts, if the govt of the day believe one of their own didn't commit a crime, it's cool beans, they can move on, and everything's cool apparently.

(If I'm going to have to live in an African tinpot dictatorship, I at least expect better weather than what we had today FFS)

Meanwhile the Gardai continue to interview witnesses, and are actively preparing a file for the dpp to examine and decide whether or not a crime may have been committed.

It really doesn't seem like Ireland has become that at all.

Only in your head.

Meanwhile let's live in the real world.

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

That's nonsense, absolute nonsense.

So someone should give up their career for an investigation that might end up showing they are innocent?

Would you give up something you worked for all your life if you were innocent?

Not a chance you would.

Nobody is asking him to give up his career. Calm the horses.

McMurphy

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

It really doesn't seem like Ireland has become that at all.

Only in your head.

Meanwhile let's live in the real world.

Not my head jingle, I'm paraphrasing some of the posts you have "thanked", and just in case you're not familiar with sarcasm, the "real world" scenario we live in would be the part I mentioned how the Gardai are continuing to question witnesses, and are in the process of preparing the file that will be sent to the DPP, they will decide if a crime may have been committed.

It doesn't matter in the slightest if the "govt have moved on" because 'they've decided no crime was committed'

Such a decision is thankfully not in this govts hands. I'm surprised I had to clarify the satire in my post tbh.

Jinglejangle69

McMurphy wrote: »

Not my head jingle, I'm paraphrasing some of the posts you have "thanked", and just in case you're not familiar with sarcasm, the "real world" scenario we live in would be the part I mentioned how the Gardai are continuing to question witnesses, and are in the process of preparing the file to the DPP.

It doesn't matter in the slightest if the "govt have moved on" because 'they've decided no crime was committed'

Such a decision is thankfully not in this govts hands. I'm surprised I had to clarify the satire in my post tbh.

Hilarious.

Jinglejangle69

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nobody is asking him to give up his career. Calm the horses.

So what are you asking of him?

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So what are you asking of him?

I haven't asked him anything. But others want him to stand aside while the investigation proceeds.

Jinglejangle69

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I haven't asked him anything. But others want him to stand aside while the investigation proceeds.

Stand aside.

What does that mean?

Beasty

atticu wrote: »

Would you have any proof of these claims?

You are entitled to make up your own mind on the veracity of such claims

Demanding proof from an anonymous internet poster is not acceptable though. Please take more care going forward

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Stand aside.

What does that mean?

Take a break.

Jinglejangle69

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Take a break.

From the Cambridge dictionary.

Stand aside means:

-To leave a job or position so that someone else can have it instead:
-It's time he stood aside and let a more qualified person do the job.

-to step sideways to make a space for someone else:

But you're saying it's take a break Francie?

Do me a favour, Google stand aside.

Now back to my original point.

Some want him to give up his career for something he could be innocent of.

Hold your horses...