Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

joemurt

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Pressure growing on Tanaiste' 'Shadow growing over coalition', RTE reportage shifting in tone.

So far, seems like the classic lead up to a resignation.

He's done. It won't get to Tuesday. They know what is being held back by the village. Make a statement and it will be destroyed by the village minutes later. Would then be wiped out next GE when FF pull the rug.



Next up; Simon.



Wondering what the owners of Fine Gael are offering O Tuathuil atm to figure out what the village has. Nothing but abuse

joemurt

joemurt wrote: »

He's done. It won't get to Tuesday. They know what is being held back by the village. Make a statement and it will be destroyed by the village minutes later. Would then be wiped out next GE when FF pull the rug.



Next up; Simon.



Wondering what the owners of Fine Gael are offering O Tuathuil atm to figure out what the village has. Nothing but abuse

So the Village have even more evidence they decided to not publish? Why would any media organisation do that for a breaking story?

Leo is probably popular enough nationally to ride this out, his problem is he isn't popular enough within his own party anymore, afaik.

Bubbaclaus

joemurt wrote: »

He's done. It won't get to Tuesday. They know what is being held back by the village. Make a statement and it will be destroyed by the village minutes later. Would then be wiped out next GE when FF pull the rug.



Next up; Simon.



Wondering what the owners of Fine Gael are offering O Tuathuil atm to figure out what the village has. Nothing but abuse

What do you mean when you say "owners"? And if you have evidence that they are bribing or blackmailing O Tuathuil currently then you should report that immediately.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So the Village have even more evidence they decided to not publish? Why would any media organisation do that for a breaking story?

Leo is probably popular enough nationally to ride this out, his problem is he isn't popular enough within his own party anymore, afaik.

Reading between the lines,it seems they have more info (afaik the print copy already contains much more than the online version)


Most likely.the entirety of the whatsapp convo,which the contents of one can only speculate,

AndrewJRenko

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I think that the 2 major bodies representing GPs were provided with the document, and that delays (possibly incompetence) in the Department of Health meant there was a 5 week delay to get it up on the website for everyone else that has, for their own reasons, decided not to join IMO or NAGP.
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Dept Health and all depts are well able to publish to their websites on demand. If Leo wanted to get a document published, it would be done within the hour.

joemurt

Former minister for agriculture Barry Cowen has said Leo Varadkar is 'entitled to make a mistake' and does not believe 'a grave should be prepared' for the Tánaiste as a result of the contract controversy.


Barry Cowen is one of the most tone deaf f+ckwits this country has ever produced. ''A GRAVE SHOULD BE PREPARED''. A Measure of the Cowen stock. I bet he loves the smell of slurry in the morning.

Bubbaclaus

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Dept Health and all depts are well able to publish to their websites on demand. If Leo wanted to get a document published, it would be done within the hour.

Thank you for that insight. I've never worked in the Department of Health, so wouldn't be aware of that fact.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Reading between the lines,it seems they have more info (afaik the print copy contains much more than the online version)


Most likely.the entirety of the whatsapp convo,which the contents of one can only speculate,

I hope the Village do have something more relevant than what's come out so far, because otherwise it's a fairly weak story. Negotiations had concluded already etc.

AndrewJRenko

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Thank you for that insight. I've never worked in the Department of Health, so wouldn't be aware of that fact.

I've never worked in Dept Health either, but I see stuff being published all the time.

smurgen

There's an error in O Tuathail's statement. He says they received the info mid April however on the IMT website dated 29th April ;

"NAGP Chairman Dr Andy Jordan insisted: “It is now three weeks since the announcement of the new [GP] contract and to date there is no sign of any contract or contractual document. Until we see the contract document it is impossible to advise members."

https://www.imt.ie/news/nagp-blames-government-for-woes-29-04-2019/

caveat emptor

joemurt wrote: »

Former minister for agriculture Barry Cowen has said Leo Varadkar is 'entitled to make a mistake' and does not believe 'a grave should be prepared' for the Tánaiste as a result of the contract controversy.


Barry Cowen is one of the most tone deaf f+ckwits this country has ever produced. ''A GRAVE SHOULD BE PREPARED''. A Measure of the Cowen stock. I bet he loves the smell of slurry in the morning.

Wow, I'm offended and impressed at the same time. Thanks

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I hope the Village do have something more relevant than what's come out so far, because otherwise it's a fairly weak story. Negotiations had concluded already etc.

Indeed only in irelqnd would a party which styles itself the law and order party,view sharing of confidential documents to mates of the taoiseach as a non-story



But whatever,lets hold a tribunal for full totality of the info to come out

Captain_Crash

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So the Village have even more evidence they decided to not publish? Why would any media organisation do that for a breaking story?

It wouldn’t be unusual for a media outlet to hold back some info when breaking a story! It keeps the “target” thinking! If they leave stuff out, Leo would obviously know parts are missing.... but he wouldn’t know which missing parts the Village know about!

Not saying that’s what’s happening here, just an example of why a media outlet would intentionally not give everything away in the first story.

McMurphy

joemurt wrote: »

He's done. It won't get to Tuesday. They know what is being held back by the village. Make a statement and it will be destroyed by the village minutes later. Would then be wiped out next GE when FF pull the rug.

I think you are on the money joe, I also reckon the silence from the usual loyalists is deafening, Leo probably petrified to open his mouth as he hasn't a scaldy notion what else the village have on him.

Will be some irony if a relatively unknown small media organisation are the ones that bring Varadkar down.

Long runs the fox, caught at last though it would appear.

RandomViewer

Is this all a publicity stunt by Varadkar , lots of coverage of possible shenanigans but Varadkar knows that him walking the plank would likely trigger an election which neither FF or Greens don't want, Doing his wee MC Hammer dance and going " Cant touch this"

Captain_Crash

Captain_Crash wrote: »

It wouldn’t be unusual for a media outlet to hold back some info when breaking a story! It keeps the “target” thinking! If they leave stuff out, Leo would obviously know parts are missing.... but he wouldn’t know which missing parts the Village know about!

Not saying that’s what’s happening here, just an example of why a media outlet would intentionally not give everything away in the first story.

On a story this weak though?

smurgen

Deleted User wrote: »

On a story this weak though?

This weak? Hahaha

joemurt

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

What do you mean when you say "owners"? And if you have evidence that they are bribing or blackmailing O Tuathuil currently then you should report that immediately.

Owners.



Thank you for the advice. Noted. If I come across some I'll pass it on.

smurgen

smurgen wrote: »

This weak? Hahaha

It's weaker than the current Cork hurling panel. :pac:

JimToken

Captain_Crash wrote: »

It wouldn’t be unusual for a media outlet to hold back some info when breaking a story! It keeps the “target” thinking! If they leave stuff out, Leo would obviously know parts are missing.... but he wouldn’t know which missing parts the Village know about!

Not saying that’s what’s happening here, just an example of why a media outlet would intentionally not give everything away in the first story.

It's normal to hold facts back

They can then bamboozle the target with myriad questions

The target won't know when it's safe to lie

Bubbaclaus

joemurt wrote: »

Owners.



Thank you for the advice. Noted. If I come across some I'll pass it on.

Ah come on, don't leave us hanging like that. Who are the owners of Fine Gael?

Pintman Paddy Losty

McMurphy wrote: »

I think you are on the money joe, I also reckon the silence from the usual loyalists is deafening, Leo probably petrified to open his mouth as he hasn't a scaldy notion what else the village have on him.

Will be some irony if a relatively unknown small media organisation are the ones that bring Varadkar down.

Long runs the fox, caught at last though it would appear.

You love an aul conspiracy theory. Remember all the predictions you made about the Dean having CCTV of Maria Bailey falling off a swing.

Now you think that the Village have bizarrely decided to hold back the most damaging stuff.... Yeah makes sense....

I'm afraid the weak story they published is all there is to it. A total non story.

joemurt

Captain_Crash wrote: »

It wouldn’t be unusual for a media outlet to hold back some info when breaking a story! It keeps the “target” thinking! If they leave stuff out, Leo would obviously know parts are missing.... but he wouldn’t know which missing parts the Village know about!

Not saying that’s what’s happening here, just an example of why a media outlet would intentionally not give everything away in the first story.

I wonder are the village playing mind games with Varadkar and Co with the different address crops?



''We both know we spoofed this part Leo, go on, try and ride this one out, no more ammo.........'' type thing.



Villages responses on twitter suggest a strong hand in play on the flop.

Jinglejangle69

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

You love an aul conspiracy theory. Remember all the predictions you made about the Dean having CCTV of Maria Bailey falling off a swing.

Now you think that the Village have bizarrely decided to hold back the most damaging stuff.... Yeah makes sense....

I'm afraid the weak story they published is all there is to it. A total non story.

That's right, the cctv footage and Josepha Madigan conspiracy.

On top of the private messages from the FG army:)

Ah jaysus.

joemurt

joemurt wrote: »

I wonder are the village playing mind games with Varadkar and Co with the different address crops?



''We both know we spoofed this part Leo, go on, try and ride this one out, no more ammo.........'' type thing.



Villages responses on twitter suggest a strong hand in play on the flop.

Hell of a journalist to hold back the best part of their story. Where is the real meat in this story?

joemurt

Deleted User wrote: »

Hell of a journalist to hold back the best part of their story. Where is the real meat in this story?

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JimToken

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Where is the real meat in this story?

Reported

smurgen

joemurt wrote: »

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Gone back to the original spin point.:rolleyes:

joemurt

joemurt wrote: »

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Well, negotiations had concluded, the documents were no longer commercially sensitive, afaik. If he'd cut and pasted the figures no one would be raising it as an issue. Unless there's something more relevant to come out it's a pretty weak story.

I still think he could be in trouble because some in FG appear to be tired of him.

Bubbaclaus

joemurt wrote: »

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That was a quick edit