Labour's Corbyn suspended for reaction to anti-semitism report

joemurt

biko wrote: »

So he made those Labour members say those things?
Seems unlikely.


What happened was a photograph on screen included a Mr Yaqub who was General Manager of Islamic Relief UK. Yaqub was not part of the programme, but was in the photo.

BBC wished to make clear that they did not intend to include Mr Yaqub as a subject of the Panorama programme complained of,
and had still less intended to defame him.

The BBC agreed to pay damages to Mr Yaqub over the inclusion of the picture in the programme.

Ah, you know his work better than I. Still he doesn't have a great track record, agreed?


And I don't know what he did and didn't make those people say in their interviews, I wasn't present. I believe they where all Labour head office staff from McNichols reign as well as members before losing their positions. Open to correction though.

fiveleavesleft

biko wrote: »

Thanks, of course it's still unknown if this is even a real document or just something written by anyone and uploaded to that site.

But let's discuss it anyway.
It's 850 pages. What am I looking for to see your assertions of them lying?

It's a legit report. The EHRC certainly thought so, they quote it verbatim & the use of figure's chime as well.

As to the lying. The gist of it is they claim Corbyn didn't do enough & anti-semitism was flourishing under his leadership. Sam Matthews says it was an "outrage" that Livingstone was still in the party ignoring the fact the Corbyn people were pushing for action. Questions to Matthews own team about it were ignored (one Corbyn person even emailed Matthews directly to find out what the delay was!).

Just had another look at it. Kat Buckingham talks about standards whilst in the report she is boasting about "cases piling up" (anti-semitism) as she plays games in the office. She says the party has "clear rules", in the report she is seen urging rules be broken.

It's a very long report it's true & I wouldn't blame you not reading it. But it's an interesting supplement to the EHRC report.

biko

Thanks, I will try to have a browse through it.

biko

Seems it's difficult for Labour to keep the party clean from "alleged" racists.


29 April 2021
Peterborough City councillors suspended in Labour anti-semitism probe
Ansar Ali, Angus Ellis, Samantha Hemraj, Mohammed Jamil, Shabina Qayyum, Mahboob Hussain and Aasiyah Joseph have been suspended





https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-56929603.amp

Mike Murdock

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And yet Labour supporters will bend over backwards saying that there is no problem with racism/anti-semitism in their party.

And that the Tories are worse.

Gentlemanne

Difference is it seems Labour has a no-tolerance attitude to anti-semitism and will actually take action like these suspensions, but for the Tories it's almost a positive thing for them for their MPs to be islamaphobic.

Danzy

biko wrote: »

Seems it's difficult for Labour to keep the party clean from "alleged" racists.


29 April 2021
Peterborough City councillors suspended in Labour anti-semitism probe
Ansar Ali, Angus Ellis, Samantha Hemraj, Mohammed Jamil, Shabina Qayyum, Mahboob Hussain and Aasiyah Joseph have been suspended





https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-56929603.amp

The Jooooos are behind it all. Bring back Corbyn.

Seriously though 7 cllrs out of a small city.

Sharing raw Jew baiter material, nothing about opposing the crimes of Israel. Just pure race hate.


When 7 out of 9 of your cllrs are suspended you have more than a problem.

Mike Murdock

Gentlemanne wrote: »

Difference is it seems Labour has a no-tolerance attitude to anti-semitism and will actually take action like these suspensions, but for the Tories it's almost a positive thing for them for their MPs to be islamaphobic.

Yeah, only after the Equality and Human Rights Commission investigated them last year and found that there were multiple examples of unlawful acts in the Party!

They had their own report written years ago by Shami Chakrabarti that pretty much stated "Nothing to see here" and mentioned Islamophobia more times in the report than anti-semitism.

Danzy

Gentlemanne wrote: »

Difference is it seems Labour has a no-tolerance attitude to anti-semitism and will actually take action like these suspensions, but for the Tories it's almost a positive thing for them for their MPs to be islamaphobic.

No one is buying that line anymore.

end of the road

Mike Murdock wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And yet Labour supporters will bend over backwards saying that there is no problem with racism/anti-semitism in their party.

And that the Tories are worse.

they won't.
what they will say is that any antisemite or islamaphobe is a problem, but what is really a small problem within the labour party in reality, is deliberately overblown by those with an alt/far right agenda which is ultimately the case.
and yes actually the tories would be worse when we examine them in depth, however that is what the majority of the party vote obviously want.

Danzy wrote: »

The Jooooos are behind it all. Bring back Corbyn.

Seriously though 7 cllrs out of a small city.

Sharing raw Jew baiter material, nothing about opposing the crimes of Israel. Just pure race hate.


When 7 out of 9 of your cllrs are suspended you have more than a problem.

funnily enough, if a corbyn like figure was in charge, but someone willing to kick back stabbers out of the party, then antisemitism would have likely been eradicated from the party.

ah well.

Mike Murdock wrote: »

Yeah, only after the Equality and Human Rights Commission investigated them last year and found that there were multiple examples of unlawful acts in the Party!

They had their own report written years ago by Shami Chakrabarti that pretty much stated "Nothing to see here" and mentioned Islamophobia more times in the report than anti-semitism.

multiple examples which the report either didn't publish, or where they did publish, they published no supporting evidence.
funny that.
obviously given the other report only showed islamiphobia to be a problem, and the human rights and equality commission's inability to provide supporting evidence for their claims, its like as if well, islamiphobia was the real issue, and the small few actual antisemites were being dealt with.

Danzy wrote: »

No one is buying that line anymore.

does that really matter? obviously enough people over there don't really care about antisemitism given they voted for a party who is actually full of similar types in the form of islamiphobes.
if they really cared about antisemitism they would have voted for the liberal democrats or one of the other smaller parties.

suicide_circus

LP in a tough spot generally...a hostage to the identity politics crowd who their traditional voter base has no time for. Would they not be better off going to the Lib Dems?

Silentcorner

suicide_circus wrote: »

LP in a tough spot generally...a hostage to the identity politics crowd who their traditional voter base has no time for. Would they not be better off going to the Lib Dems?

Ya...looks like their methods of electing candidates over the last 10-15 years has truly backfired on them and will do for some time to come...take a look at what demographic voted for them in the last election in the greatest numbers....the under 30s and Muslim....one group believe in multi genders and the other, well, don't, they do share a hatred of one group though....

Identity politics is a scourge.

end of the road

Silentcorner wrote: »

Ya...looks like their methods of electing candidates over the last 10-15 years has truly backfired on them and will do for some time to come...take a look at what demographic voted for them in the last election in the greatest numbers....the under 30s and Muslim....one group believe in multi genders and the other, well, don't, they do share a hatred of one group though....

Identity politics is a scourge.

it is, but while it exists across the board, then you will see the likes of borris in power unless like the US, they have an awakening and a reality check.

Danzy

suicide_circus wrote: »

LP in a tough spot generally...a hostage to the identity politics crowd who their traditional voter base has no time for. Would they not be better off going to the Lib Dems?

The Lib Dems don't exist in any meaningful way in most of England.

You'd have to suspect that when the arrogant snobs have finished Labour, that they will migrate to the Lib Dems.

I think Labour is finished. It's hard to think of any capable MPs they have, while many of their most prominent are truly bizarre at times.

One of the basic reasons Labour died in Scotland was the amount of abuse and insult they heaped on the doorstep of Life long voters who said they were backing independence.

The merits of that cause aside. Labour must realize that you can't go canvassing and scream at people on their own fooking door step.

You can't talk and act like you have a profound contempt for your own voters.

Snobbery has killed the left across Europe.

Mike Murdock

Danzy wrote: »

The Lib Dems don't exist in any meaningful way in most of England.

You'd have to suspect that when the arrogant snobs have finished Labour, that they will migrate to the Lib Dems.

I think Labour is finished. It's hard to think of any capable MPs they have, while many of their most prominent are truly bizarre at times.

One of the basic reasons Labour died in Scotland was the amount of abuse and insult they heaped on the doorstep of Life long voters who said they were backing independence.

The merits of that cause aside. Labour must realize that you can't go canvassing and scream at people on their own fooking door step.

You can't talk and act like you have a profound contempt for your own voters.

Snobbery has killed the left across Europe.

You got it in one, Danzy.

The Progressive Left actively despise the "Working Class", but need their votes.

end of the road

Danzy wrote: »

The Lib Dems don't exist in any meaningful way in most of England.

You'd have to suspect that when the arrogant snobs have finished Labour, that they will migrate to the Lib Dems.

I think Labour is finished. It's hard to think of any capable MPs they have, while many of their most prominent are truly bizarre at times.

One of the basic reasons Labour died in Scotland was the amount of abuse and insult they heaped on the doorstep of Life long voters who said they were backing independence.

The merits of that cause aside. Labour must realize that you can't go canvassing and scream at people on their own fooking door step.

You can't talk and act like you have a profound contempt for your own voters.

Snobbery has killed the left across Europe.

well, it seems to be going perfectly well for the tories as a strategy, contempt for the same voters yet get a land slide.
so obviously snobbery and any of the other issues that are claimed as reasons for not voting for labour or whatever other party aren't really that much of an issue given people are ultimately happy to vote for a party that has the same issues and more.
europe is mostly a centrist model of government, only a couple of countries falling to hard right types and apart from perhapse the uk which is going through an identity crisis, it's just a phase as the hard right always show their true colors in the end.

Mike Murdock wrote: »

You got it in one, Danzy.

The Progressive Left actively despise the "Working Class", but need their votes.

funnily enough, the progressive left aren't the only left available.

Eric Cartman

Mike Murdock wrote: »

You got it in one, Danzy.

The Progressive Left actively despise the "Working Class", but need their votes.

This is it, and you can see it in their words,

Any discussion of migration : “id rather live next to a <minority> than a <favourite slur for working class>

end of the road

Eric Cartman wrote: »

This is it, and you can see it in their words,

Any discussion of migration : “id rather live next to a <minority> than a <favourite slur for working class>

pot kettle in fairness.

Mike Murdock

end of the road wrote: »

funnily enough, the progressive left aren't the only left available.

They are the ones vocally and visibly driving the narrative of most Western Left Wing parties/movements, EOTR.

suicide_circus

end of the road wrote: »

funnily enough, the progressive left aren't the only left available.

Please tell me who they are so i can vote for them

end of the road

Mike Murdock wrote: »

They are the ones vocally and visibly driving the narrative of most Western Left Wing parties/movements, EOTR.

and most people in ireland and even europe agree with most parts of that narrative hence most of europe having a centre or near the centre government.

as i said, there is a reason why only a couple of countries have fallen for the snake oil being sold by the hard right, because they generally show their true colors.

Eric Cartman

end of the road wrote: »

and most people in ireland and even europe agree with most parts of that narrative hence most of europe having a centre or near the centre government.

as i said, there is a reason why only a couple of countries have fallen for the snake oil being sold by the hard right, because they generally show their true colors.

The far left and right are both equally full of lies and danger, ireland only has centre/ centre left leaning governments for decades now, the 2004 referendum was the last right of centre thing our nation did.

Ireland needs a moderate right party

end of the road

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The far left and right are both equally full of lies and danger, ireland only has centre/ centre left leaning governments for decades now, the 2004 referendum was the last right of centre thing our nation did.

Ireland needs a moderate right party

clearly it doesn't as otherwise one would have been set up and voted in.
it hasn't, so obviously not enough demand for one.

Rjd2

end of the road wrote: »

clearly it doesn't as otherwise one would have been set up and voted in.
it hasn't, so obviously not enough demand for one.

Yeah whether that it is a good or bad thing is a debate for another day, but we are very much a centre left type nation.

Their is not enough demand for a PD type party at the moment with the general public.

Smee_Again

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Ireland needs a moderate right party

Would you ever go and create this much needed party already.

If it if in any way needed or as potentially popular as you believe then you’ll have no problem attracting candidates and voters.

biko

Can we get Corbyn and Stramer up in the ring?
I bet Corbyn would win, Starmer doesn't have a clue about boxing.


https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1388521276256497674?s=20

Danzy

biko wrote: »

Can we get Corbyn and Stramer up in the ring?
I bet Corbyn would win, Starmer doesn't have a clue about boxing.


https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1388521276256497674?s=20

That's rough.

The Tories will deduct the cost of that from their own party budget.

Dyr

biko wrote: »

Can we get Corbyn and Stramer up in the ring?
I bet Corbyn would win, Starmer doesn't have a clue about boxing.


https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1388521276256497674?s=20

He's stepping on 60 but still, thats like watching someone whos had a stroke going through physical therapy to regain coordination.

Dyr

A fella who catalogued Jezzas antiseimitic links, havent fact checked it


I thought a lot of the antisemitism accusations were just opportunistic attacks but jesus this makes grim reading


https://areomagazine.com/2018/08/16/anti-semitism-the-case-against-corbyn-and-the-labour-party/

Danzy

Bambi wrote: »

A fella who catalogued Jezzas antiseimitic links, havent fact checked it


I thought a lot of the antisemitism accusations were just opportunistic attacks but jesus this makes grim reading


https://areomagazine.com/2018/08/16/anti-semitism-the-case-against-corbyn-and-the-labour-party/

His enemies often ran with things, and there was some ludicrous accusations but there was no shortage of raw Jew baiting and hate as well.