WTF is mansplaining?

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

There was a post on Facebook about NZ's covid numbers relative to ours. Someone posted applauding Arden for her actions.

I replied to her comment and said that Arden is not all she's cracked up to be (from what my Kiwi co-worker told me) and that the falling covid numbers are not entirely her doing.

She reacted to my comment with the FB laugh react and asked me to back up my claim.

So I did. I posted factual information and said that Ireland cannot be compared to NZ, our population is more densely centred, they have no common land borders and no free movement equivalent of the EU.

She then burst into a rage and accused me of "mansplaining" (sic), how dare I patronisingly give her a geography lesson, even though she was the one who asked me to back up my statement.

I replied, can you not have a civil discussion without accusing me of "mansplaining".
Her response: "Typical misogynist, insulting women at every step, of course I can debate".

She then went on a tirade of abuse mocking my appearance and making personal insults. Dafuq?

The fuck is "mansplaining" ?? and can you not disagree with a woman for fear of being accused of it?

Foweva Awone

Let me just mansplain it to you...

ThewhiteJesus

It’s a Mary Lou classic, what does that tell you

jam_mac_jam

It's a horrible term and I wouldn't bother your arse arguing with anyone who uses it.

Rodney Bathgate

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

It’s a Mary Lou classic, what does that tell you

That it is “woke” bullshįte?

gogo

Two sides to every argument, post the exact convo and let’s us make an informed decision.

There is such a thing as mansplaining, I work in a male dominated environment for years, it absolutely exists.
Not everyone, not all the time but it’s deffo a thing.

As for your convo, no idea... hard to tell from one side of the story

Women, shur..

Trouser Snake

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

It’s a Mary Lou classic, what does that tell you

Where did she say that again? Had forgotten all about it, I remember cringing at the time.

jam_mac_jam

gogo wrote: »

Two sides to every argument, post the exact convo and let’s us make an informed decision.

There is such a thing as mansplaining, I work in a male dominated environment for years, it absolutely exists.
Not everyone, not all the time but it’s deffo a thing.

As for your convo, no idea... hard to tell from one side of the story

Why not use the word condescension or patronised? Why bring someone's sex into it?

Its women getting crabit when she doesn't know something and a man has to explain it to her.

TP_CM

I think, fortunately, you will only encounter that word in the bottom half of the internet. If you surround yourself with good intelligent people day to day you'll probably live a life without really needing to hear it. As a general rule for happiness though, stay away from the bottom half of the internet. It's an absolute cesspit.

The Mighty Quinn

gogo wrote: »

Two sides to every argument, post the exact convo and let’s us make an informed decision.

This. Redact names, and post the conversation.

jam_mac_jam

I think it's usually used to dismiss people based on who they are rather then what they are saying. In that case there is no point arguing.

JohnnyFlash

It’s where a man keeps his legs wide apart and displays the outline of his cock and balls.

gogo

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Why not use the word condescension or patronised? Why bring someone's sex into it?

I don’t use the word myself, I use dick head instead.. but honestly I can see where it came from, ever been the only woman in a room full of men, and be spoken to like a child for no reason other than your sex? Gender imbalance is rife in ireland, that why someone’s sex was brought into it I’d imagine, just my two cents, I still prefer dickhead

LillySV

It’s when a man proves that a woman is thick , and she can’t accept it

jam_mac_jam

gogo wrote: »

I don’t use the word myself, I use dick head instead.. but honestly I can see where it came from, ever been the only woman in a room full of men, and be spoken to like a child for no reason other than your sex? Gender imbalance is rife in ireland, that why someone’s sex was brought into it I’d imagine, just my two cents, I still prefer dickhead

Yes I have. Loads of times. I also would prefer the word dickhead.

440Hertz

It’s just one of those shut down terms like “oh! you’re such a Karen” or “OK boomer” aimed at anyone over about 35 who raises a point you don’t like.

With “mansplaining” I get that some guys have been very patronising to women and there’s a legacy of a patriarchal society that often dismissed women’s opinions, but in most cases it’s thrown around as a term totally inappropriately to shut someone up.

The “Karen” thing is also particularly nasty. It was a really popular name, especially in the 70s & 80s I know two women who’ve had to change their names as a result of it and just feel they’re the butt of a never ending joke now.

If you’re attacking the speaker / poster on the basis of their gender, appearance, race, accent, sexual orientation, nationality, or any other personal attribute instead of actually responding to their statement based on what they’ve said, you’re losing the argument and are just bullying to shut down the discussion.

Boards for example has a long standing mantra “attack the post and never the poster.” The same applies in any debate.

Gregor Samsa

I’ve no doubt it exists. Whether there’s other words for it is neither here nor there. And I’ve do doubt the word is often misused.

On the face of it, it seems the only crime you committed was arguing on Facebook. I don’t think anything ever good comes of that.

whisky_galore

Just another rock thrown by third wave feminists when they have nothing of value to bring to the table themselves.

Church on Tuesday

It's a term certain women use when they realize they are gradually losing an argument.

LillySV

440Hertz wrote: »

It’s just one of those shut down terms like “oh! you’re such a Karen” or “OK boomer” aimed at anyone over about 35 who raises a point you don’t like.

With “mansplaining” I get that some guys have been very patronising to women and there’s a legacy of a patriarchal society that often dismissed women’s opinions, but in most cases it’s thrown around as a term totally inappropriately to shut someone up.

The “Karen” thing is also particularly nasty. It was a really popular name, especially in the 70s & 80s I know two women who’ve had to change their names as a result of it and just feel they’re the butt of a never ending joke now.

If you’re attacking the speaker / poster on the basis of their gender, appearance, race, accent, sexual orientation, nationality, or any other personal attribute instead of actually responding to their statement based on what they’ve said, you’re losing the argument and are just bullying to shut down the discussion.

Boards for example has a long standing mantra “attack the post and never the poster.” The same applies in any debate.

Exactly the case... if someone can’t come up with a valid reply, they resort to **** like that ... your either mansplaining , sexist, intolerant , prejudist... whatever **** they can try through at u to put u down as the loser

Mister Vain

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

It's a term certain women use when they realize they are gradually losing an argument.

Ahh but the woman is always right though.

440Hertz

To be honest it’s not just women or any other group and it’s emerging on all sides of political debates. I don’t give any one side or group has a monopoly on it.

It’s a nasty, personal attack approach to discussion that’s becoming more dominant, especially on some social media platforms.

Formula is: apply nasty label, reduce opponent to caricature be it “liberal,” “lefty,” “shinbot,” “Karen,” “mansplaining,” “boomer” ... the list is endless and retreat to your smug bunker be it on the right, the left, particular political views etc etc

It’s what happens when you reduce debate to volleys of 140-160 characters of bile.

Trump is a world leader in this technique: just take a nasty school yard like name and apply it to an opponent.

Stark

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It’s where a man keeps his legs wide apart and displays the outline of his cock and balls.

That's manspreading that you're manthinking of.

Pherekydes

It's when a man explains something to a woman about a subject she is already well versed or expert in.

HugoRune

Mansplaining: When a woman explains something, but nobody pays attention until the same thing is said by a man.


Having worked in the UK for a long time, I have my own personal version which I refer to as Britsplaining.

Nexytus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOXh5repOWI

440Hertz

Pherekydes wrote: »

It's when a man explains something to a woman about a subject she is already well versed or expert in.

Which, at least from what is being reported by the OP, what the other party did in this case by completely dismissing an Irish person’s local expertise and detailed understanding of why the geographical and practical issues in Ireland are very different from New Zealand. So if anyone was *splaining, it wasn’t the OP.

HugoRune wrote: »

Mansplaining: When a woman explains something, but nobody pays attention until the same thing is said by a man.


Having worked in the UK for a long time, I have my own personal version which I refer to as Britsplaining.

Yeah I’ve had that. Such as for example being told why I had a chip on my shoulder for not accepting that Ireland was “a British country” because it is part of the geographical entity commonly referred to as the “British isles” and “that’s why U2 are a British act.”

And being told that I’ve been mispronouncing my own name for my entire life, which isn’t even in English!

The funniest one, was someone telling me about my “Catholic guilt” which is odd as I’m an atheist from a long line of atheists and before that they were mostly Protestants lol

It doesn’t uniquely apply to Irish targets either, a French colleague of mine had a guy in London explain to him how French politics worked. The French guy is a political scientist and lives in France and the British guy works for a bank and likes to pontificate in the pub.

That and “of course the English know far more about wine than the French. We starred the trade in Claret”

I still wouldn’t call it Britsplaining though, just being a pompous asshat.

KevRossi

I've always been told when giving presentations to people who are not all familiar with my field to avoid using 'jargon'. It's something you are taught and should be aware of. Fine when using it in a group of people in your section of industry, not in a group of 'outsiders'.

Last year I was giving a presentation to about 20 people, 4 of whom would be familiar with the field, the others were not; they were economists, project managers, logistics and PR people. I gave a 40 minute presentation which was well received and then 1 of the 4 who was a woman, stood up and thanked me condescendingly for 'mansplaining'. She asked me a question; I responded using jargon and was then asked by another woman to repeat the question without using jargon as the other 16 people in the room hadn't a notion about what I was on about.

You can't win with some people.

_Whimsical_

TRANQUILLO

gogo wrote: »

I don’t use the word myself, I use dick head instead.. but honestly I can see where it came from, ever been the only woman in a room full of men, and be spoken to like a child for no reason other than your sex? Gender imbalance is rife in ireland, that why someone’s sex was brought into it I’d imagine, just my two cents, I still prefer dickhead

It has been hi-jacked by feminism though and used for a myriad of things such as not agreeing with what has been said.

gogo

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

It has been hi-jacked by feminism though and used for a myriad of things such as not agreeing with what has been said.

Absolutely, but idiots will always be idiots, both female and male, doesn't mean the word isn’t relevant in its correct context

The female equivalent is seemingly bitchsplaining....

Poor Uncle Tom

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

There was a post on Facebook about NZ's covid numbers relative to ours. Someone posted applauding Arden for her actions.

I replied to her comment and said that Arden is not all she's cracked up to be (from what my Kiwi co-worker told me) and that the falling covid numbers are not entirely her doing.

She reacted to my comment with the FB laugh react and asked me to back up my claim.

So I did. I posted factual information and said that Ireland cannot be compared to NZ, our population is more densely centred, they have no common land borders and no free movement equivalent of the EU.

She then burst into a rage and accused me of "mansplaining" (sic), how dare I patronisingly give her a geography lesson, even though she was the one who asked me to back up my statement.

I replied, can you not have a civil discussion without accusing me of "mansplaining".
Her response: "Typical misogynist, insulting women at every step, of course I can debate".

She then went on a tirade of abuse mocking my appearance and making personal insults. Dafuq?

The fuck is "mansplaining" ?? and can you not disagree with a woman for fear of being accused of it?

It's a brainless fallback from someone losing a debate attempting to change the focus of the conversation and to rally support from any feminist bullys in earshot.

I love getting stuck into those limp minded loudmouths, all it takes is to keep a cool head and use their own arguments to tie them up in knots. Also helps to highlight just how brainless the actually are.

TomTomTim

whisky_galore wrote: »

Just another rock thrown by third wave feminists when they have nothing of value to bring to the table themselves.

Agreed:pac:

seenitall

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Love it!

Here’s the article from 2008 that started it all. The term “mansplaining” was coined soon after its publication.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-apr-13-op-solnit13-story.html%3f_amp=true

99nsr125

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

There was a post on Facebook about NZ's covid numbers relative to ours. Someone posted applauding Arden for her actions.

I replied to her comment and said that Arden is not all she's cracked up to be (from what my Kiwi co-worker told me) and that the falling covid numbers are not entirely her doing.

She reacted to my comment with the FB laugh react and asked me to back up my claim.

So I did. I posted factual information and said that Ireland cannot be compared to NZ, our population is more densely centred, they have no common land borders and no free movement equivalent of the EU.

She then burst into a rage and accused me of "mansplaining" (sic), how dare I patronisingly give her a geography lesson, even though she was the one who asked me to back up my statement.

I replied, can you not have a civil discussion without accusing me of "mansplaining".
Her response: "Typical misogynist, insulting women at every step, of course I can debate".

She then went on a tirade of abuse mocking my appearance and making personal insults. Dafuq?

The fuck is "mansplaining" ?? and can you not disagree with a woman for fear of being accused of it?

She's just pissed cause you are right

Mansplaining is regarded as a guy explaining without regard to the person they are talking too

I'm gonna coin
'Femsplaining'

The moaning a woman does to justify her unjustifiable point

99nsr125

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Why not use the word condescension or patronised? Why bring someone's sex into it?

Because they want privilege for having a snatch

99nsr125

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

I don't get it

Neowise

Trouser Snake wrote: »

Where did she say that again? Had forgotten all about it, I remember cringing at the time.

Prime time leaders debate pre election.


https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/rte-primetime-leaders-debate-live-21431084

Mr Martin was also the target of Sinn Féin’s Mary Lou McDonald most cutting jibe when she said he was trying to “mansplain” corporation tax to her.

Eduard Khil

Fellas FELLAS ITSATRAP ITSATRAPPPP

Stihl waters

gogo wrote: »

I don’t use the word myself, I use dick head instead.. but honestly I can see where it came from, ever been the only woman in a room full of men, and be spoken to like a child for no reason other than your sex? Gender imbalance is rife in ireland, that why someone’s sex was brought into it I’d imagine, just my two cents, I still prefer dickhead

Hi gogo, could you explain what you mean by gender imbalance being rife in Ireland.

.anon.

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

There was a post on Facebook about NZ's covid numbers relative to ours. Someone posted applauding Arden for her actions.

I replied to her comment and said that Arden is not all she's cracked up to be (from what my Kiwi co-worker told me) and that the falling covid numbers are not entirely her doing.

Why did you feel the need to reply to a stranger's comment about a foreign politician? She was "wrong" on the internet and had to be corrected?

Classic mansplaining, tbh.

cj maxx

I would have called her a c##t and left at that after her reply:)

the_pen_turner

i have no doubt that some men do talk down to women like this. especially in the trades and garages etc. i have seen it myself. . probably a hang up from when women didnt know anything about that stuff . now thankfully women are moving into these areas albe it slowly.

what anoys me is that its mansplaining when a man does it but women are never called out for doing the same thing.
men get similar coments talking down to them whne doing traditional female dominted jobs such as child care, parenting, nursing, teaching etc.

we all get comments from people that think they know more than us , thats just life

Robsweezie

KevRossi wrote: »

Last year I was giving a presentation to about 20 people, 4 of whom would be familiar with the field, the others were not; they were economists, project managers, logistics and PR people. I gave a 40 minute presentation which was well received and then 1 of the 4 who was a woman, stood up and thanked me condescendingly for 'mansplaining'. She asked me a question; I responded using jargon and was then asked by another woman to repeat the question without using jargon as the other 16 people in the room hadn't a notion about what I was on about.

You can't win with some people.

gender politics aside, thats a pretty cuuntish thing to do to someone already under pressure to deliver a good presentation. I hope she was duly rinsed out of it by either yourself or preferably another man in the room.

fonecrusher1

Its a nonsense word invented by militant femibulls with blue hair to deter men from clarifying something with the opposite sex. That's practically assault these days don't you know.

:pac:

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

I'll post up screenshots later today or tomorrow.

My phone is on GPRS, I need a new SIM or phone :pac:

If I can't upload pics, I'll transcribe it.

Mad_maxx

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I think it's usually used to dismiss people based on who they are rather then what they are saying. In that case there is no point arguing.

its just a way of silencing an opposing viewpoint and as its ok to denigrate the male sex nowadays , its a respectable term amongst liberals

anyone who utters it can be categorically written off as a prize dope

jimmycrackcorm

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

There was a post on Facebook about NZ's covid numbers relative to ours. Someone posted applauding Arden for her actions.

I replied to her comment and said that Arden is not all she's cracked up to be (from what my Kiwi co-worker told me) and that the falling covid numbers are not entirely her doing.

She reacted to my comment with the FB laugh react and asked me to back up my claim.

So I did. I posted factual information and said that Ireland cannot be compared to NZ, our population is more densely centred, they have no common land borders and no free movement equivalent of the EU.

She then burst into a rage and accused me of "mansplaining" (sic), how dare I patronisingly give her a geography lesson, even though she was the one who asked me to back up my statement.

I replied, can you not have a civil discussion without accusing me of "mansplaining".
Her response: "Typical misogynist, insulting women at every step, of course I can debate".

She then went on a tirade of abuse mocking my appearance and making personal insults. Dafuq?

The fuck is "mansplaining" ?? and can you not disagree with a woman for fear of being accused of it?

You should have replied that you are not a misogynist because looking at her profile photo, you couldn't tell that she was a woman.

99nsr125

.anon. wrote: »

Why did you feel the need to reply to a stranger's comment about a foreign politician? She was "wrong" on the internet and had to be corrected?

Classic mansplaining, tbh.

Classic femsplaning
Advocating a point that's completely full of shíte