France vs Ireland...England $hat the bed..it's on!

MintyMagnum

Painful to watch

KaneToad

touts wrote: »

France will only get better as the next few months go by. Put a tenner on them for the World Cup

I had a tenner on them for 6N at the outset

ScrubsfanChris

Happy4all wrote: »

A win would have only papered over the cracks. Time for a clean out.

Very true

selassie

Get Leo and Stuart in, proven winners.

touts

Stockdale looks more and more like someone asked Devon Toner to play at fullback.

Game over.

We would have never, ever been so inaccurate under Schmidt. Lineout a shambles and it's not a new problem - this has been going on for months and I can't understand how we haven't tightened and cleaned that up yet.

Forwards worked their socks off in the loose but we've no creativeness or accuracy when it counts.

I can imagine where this thread is going for the next few days so I will bid you all adieu and hope you have a lovely Halloween.

mr. pleasant

they just put three phases together without error. things are looking up.

C__MC

Good to see the French back
Beautiful rugby nation in full flow

Ireland are very ordinary

Deusexmachina

This is a poor Irish team. Missing international level talent at 1, 4, 9, 10, 15. Haven't seen it this bad in 10 years.
Feels a bit like the 80s and 90s when we were happy to win one or two matches in the 5 Nations each year if we were lucky.

6o9fv7jpreb180

In a country where it's always raining, you'd think our handling skills would be better in wet conditions.

leakyboots

Leave Zebo out of it.

Say what you like about Stockdale and I'm sure he'll have a target on his back but he hasnt hid or stopped trying.

Tis immaterial now and both very difficult positions to come on in and make a difference but sub hooker and outhalf have been absolutely terrible. Losing lineouts, dropping passes, missing touches.

Disaster of a second half

ebbsy

DJIMI TRARORE wrote: »

Crying out for Zebo at FB, Stockdalehas had a mare, France try

Silly man, did you not realise he is a Cork man and does not qualify because he plays abroad and scores tries ?

Asus X540L

I said against Italy Stockdale won't be too bad at FB but against the big teams he'll be an absolute shambles.

And I was right.

C__MC

Teresa Most Logger wrote: »

In a country where it's always raining, you'd think our handling skills would be better in wet conditions.

And considering all our players formerly played in GAA

gally74

Deusexmachina wrote: »

This is a poor Irish team. Missing international level talent at 1, 4, 9, 10, 15. Haven't seen it this bad in 10 years.
Feels a bit like the 80s and 90s when we were happy to win one or two matches in the 5 Nations each year if we were lucky.

I though beirne and Murray did ok. But sexton is finished and Conway could have played full back

TomsOnTheRoof

We really need to work on our skills. The amount of balls that have been into fella's chests rather than out in front is atrocious.

Skeetur

ebbsy wrote: »

Silly man, did you not realise he is a Cork man and does not qualify because he plays abroad and scores tries ?

You mean he's an idiot who chose not to play for Ireland because the mean coach told him he needed to improve his work ethic?

whatawaster

Deusexmachina wrote: »

This is a poor Irish team. Missing international level talent at 1, 4, 9, 10, 15. Haven't seen it this bad in 10 years.
Feels a bit like the 80s and 90s when we were happy to win one or two matches in the 5 Nations each year if we were lucky.

I think that’s OTT. This is a good French team but Ireland have beaten themselves tonight.

Morathi

Horrible second half, given how well we handled the first (relatively speaking).

Definitely no reason to panic going forward, but line-out is now priority number 1.

Feel bad for Stockdale, nightmare game for a great player.

mr_edge_to_you

shane. wrote: »

Spends too much time shaking his head and whinging these days

I'm always disappointed when I see the head shaking antics when being substituted. He should be geeing up the player coming on and encouraging him.

Faugheen

ebbsy wrote: »

Silly man, did you not realise he is a Cork man and does not qualify because he plays abroad and scores tries ?

Sure, bring him in and watch a mass exodus of players who can get some more money.

If Zebo wants to play for Ireland so badly he knows what he has to do.

Panrich

Well we've won 6 out of our last 7 throw-ins now that France have stopped competing.

leakyboots

Keenan has done well, on a night when not many have

MOR316

Ireland need to tighten up at the back here or they might lose this

touts

WhoamI2022 wrote: »

Zebo decided he didn't want to play for Ireland. Constantly bringing it up will make no difference

Nucifora decided Zebo couldn't play for Ireland. This **** show is down to his policies pure and simple.

Squidgy Black

Ball security. Like we've thrown everything Joe bet into them for years out the window.

its_phil

I actually don't know how anyone can blame Heffernan when no has actually seen the two lineouts because of the French TV directors artistic vision.

Ardillaun

Every so often France wake up and decide it's time to score another try.

JohnniDrama

Erasmus was right.

A-Train

Ireland’s new coaches are really uninspiring compared to the places France seem to be heading to. We look to be heading back to the 90’s.

mossie

Faugheen wrote: »

Sure, bring him in and watch a mass exodus of players who can get some more money.

If Zebo wants to play for Ireland so badly he knows what he has to do.

Only Sexton is allowed to play abroad. Special rules for him

Even when Stockdale scores a try, he knocks it on afterwards

DJIMI TRARORE

Fair play to Jacob, kept going

theVersatile

Is JGP throwing awful passes or does Ross Byrne just have a funny way of catching the ball?

dublinman1990

Stockdale has a constellation try.

leakyboots

Genuinely happy for Stockdale, he'll learn from this

razorblunt

ebbsy wrote: »

Silly man, did you not realise he is a Cork man and does not qualify because he plays abroad and scores tries ?

And if he doesn’t fancy playing then he’ll jog around.
You’d want to a pretty awful player to look bad in a Racing 92 backline.

His last season and a half at Munster were really poor stuff.

thomond2006

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Stockdale has a constellation try.

What a star.

WhoamI2022

touts wrote: »

Nucifora decided Zebo couldn't play for Ireland. This **** show is down to his policies pure and simple.

Zebo was offered a contract. He knew if moving to France he wouldn't play for Ireland.

The policy is in place to make sure Ireland can keep all players at home and make the provinces more competitive, also the players get rest for the international game.

Zebo has never and still is not good enough to risk all that for.

Deusexmachina

whatawaster wrote: »

I think that’s OTT. This is a good French team but Ireland have beaten themselves tonight.

If a team ‘beats themselves’ surely that warrants criticism?

Squidgy Black

Have to say, glad Stockdale managed to get something to give him a consolation after tonight. Can't imagine it'll be easy to shake off a performance like that.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Stockdale not good enough. Grinning as he went over there. Jesus wept.

Bazzo

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Stockdale has a constellation try.

A real worldy

razorblunt

Basil3 wrote: »

Even when Stockdale scores a try, he knocks it on afterwards

Could have gone closer to the posts

Piehead

Ross Byrne is a dreadful player

mossie

mossie wrote: »

Only Sexton is allowed to play abroad. Special rules for him

He was of the best in the world in his position, without anyone else in Ireland remotely near his level.

Very few Irish players find themselves in that position.

Weepsie

Zebo was woefully inconsistent for Ireland and up until very recently woefully so at club level too. For every moment of brilliance he had, he made criminal mistakes that were detrimental to the team. He didn't deserve ti have an exception made, as his form at the time and mostly since hasn't deserved it. There were times when he looked woefully unfit too.

Christy42

homewardbound11 wrote: »

Why was stock fake left on for so long his handling errors must have been on the double digits .

Positives
Henshaw
Ryan
Stander

Apart from that just rubbish .

Keenan as well.

As for Sexton playing abroad, he was a lot better than Zebo and even then it was a mistake that really didn't work for us. Precedence is a terrible reason to keep making the same mistake.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Decision by Sexton at the end of the first half to kick for the corner instead of taking the 3 was awful.

mossie

Basil3 wrote: »

He was of the best in the world in his position, without anyone else in Ireland remotely near his level.

Very few Irish players find themselves in that position.

Still the same rules should apply