Street Preacher arrested for singing and preeching of Jesus

NaFirinne

Lovely times we are living when peoples are being arrested for street preeching now.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/street-preacher-fails-to-halt-trial-over-singing-and-referencing-jesus-1.4395703

feelings

He was arrested as he was in breach of a court order issued in August.

Pherekydes

Sounds like he had plenty of warnings.

Smee_Again

NaFirinne wrote: »

Lovely times we are living when peoples are being arrested for street preeching now.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/street-preacher-fails-to-halt-trial-over-singing-and-referencing-jesus-1.4395703

No he wasn’t.

Mr Tallon had in August been made subject of a District Court order prohibiting him from “engaging in public speaking and recording” anywhere within the environs of Wexford town including the Bull Ring area.

This was made under section 115 of the Criminal Justice Act 2006 dealing with civil anti-social behaviour orders.

tobothehobo

Alot more to the story. He has on many occasions been very abusive to people walking past especially young women and teenage girls. He deserves whatever he gets and much more.

if hes anything like the guys on henry st then this is great

they are a public nuisance.

put away that loudspeaker, and talk away without that level of aggressive volume.

otherwise its the equivalent of real-life trolling imo

NaFirinne

Deleted User wrote: »

if hes anything like the guys on henry st then this is great

they are a public nuisance.

put away that loudspeaker, and talk away without that level of aggressive volume.

otherwise its the equivalent of real-life trolling imo

Freedom of speach should be defended at all costs.....this is wrong.


He was barred from mentioning the Name Jesus.


Were the apostles wrong to go out into the world preeching the Gospel?


They were arrested in their times for doing so....are we going back to these times...when it's offensive to people to hear the Gospel.


Now I haven't heard this man preech so I don't know if he was actually abusive or just quoting from scriptures.


However Preeching the Gospel on the streets should not be a crime.

Rodney Bathgate

He sounds manic.

NaFirinne

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

He sounds manic.

How so, have you heard him preech...is there any videos of it?

Rodney Bathgate

NaFirinne wrote: »

How so, have you heard him preech...is there any videos of it?

No, it was a reference to the welsh band ‘Manic Street Preachers’.

But I guess the obvious question is whether someone street preaching about Islam would have been arrested in the same circumstances. I suspect not.

NaFirinne

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

No, it was a reference to the welsh band ‘Manic Street Preachers’.

lol sorry I didn't get that one.

Penfailed

NaFirinne wrote: »

Freedom of speach should be defended at all costs.....this is wrong.


He was barred from mentioning the Name Jesus.


Were the apostles wrong to go out into the world preeching the Gospel?


They were arrested in their times for doing so....are we going back to these times...when it's offensive to people to hear the Gospel.


Now I haven't heard this man preech so I don't know if he was actually abusive or just quoting from scriptures.


However Preeching the Gospel on the streets should not be a crime.

It's not a crime. Shouting his message through a loudspeaker is...and rightly so.

Pherekydes

NaFirinne wrote: »

Freedom of speach should be defended at all costs...
He was barred from mentioning the Name Jesus.

He was under a court order, which he breached on numerous occasions. Don't be dishonest.

NickNickleby

On the one hand, I've no problem with preachers, or Hare Krishnas or whoever having their say on the street. But if they start invading people's personal space, or being abusive, or shouting their message loudly at people, they need reigning in.

NaFirinne

NaFirinne wrote: »

Freedom of speach should be defended at all costs.....this is wrong.


He was barred from mentioning the Name Jesus.


Were the apostles wrong to go out into the world preeching the Gospel?


They were arrested in their times for doing so....are we going back to these times...when it's offensive to people to hear the Gospel.


Now I haven't heard this man preech so I don't know if he was actually abusive or just quoting from scriptures.


However Preeching the Gospel on the streets should not be a crime.

nah its clearly not at all what was either sanctioned or what i pointed out as problematic so the remainder of your own response is just irrelevant

if you have no good faith engagement to make i dont know what you expect from the thread tbh

kksaints

He was a horrible pest, often abusing passers by and drinkers in the pub across the road. He also preached some fairly graphic anti abortion and anti mask views there at times. Think they shops and businesses there got sick of him, he also got in trouble in Waterford aswell I think.

eviltwin

tobothehobo wrote: »

Alot more to the story. He has on many occasions been very abusive to people walking past especially young women and teenage girls. He deserves whatever he gets and much more.

Yeah but he’s preaching about Jesus so none of that matters

eviltwin

NaFirinne wrote: »

Freedom of speach should be defended at all costs.....this is wrong.


He was barred from mentioning the Name Jesus.


Were the apostles wrong to go out into the world preeching the Gospel?


They were arrested in their times for doing so....are we going back to these times...when it's offensive to people to hear the Gospel.


Now I haven't heard this man preech so I don't know if he was actually abusive or just quoting from scriptures.


However Preeching the Gospel on the streets should not be a crime.

He should have become a priest then. He could rant away to his heart’s content then

Guy is obviously a nuisance and shouting abuse at people is not acceptable. It’s not very Christian either.

breezy1985

Ide like to be able to go about my business without anyone screaming into a loudspeaker regardless of what they are saying.

If this fella wants to preach he can become a priest or found his own church and do it on a place where people want to hear him

Liamo57

Sounds like a prize wanker. Religion should be exercised privately and flutes like this should be arrested immediatly and locked up for 24 hours.

Valresnick

Liamo57 wrote: »

Sounds like a prize wanker. Religion should be exercised privately and flutes like this should be arrested immediatly and locked up for 24 hours.

A prize wanker. I’m stealing that

martinedwards

free speech? is that in the Irish constitution?

or should the OP move to the US?

As to being free to have amplified hate speech? after being told on several previous occasions to stop.....

no.

sorry mate as others have suggested, go start your own church indoors where people in the high street can get on with their lives without your ranting.

breezy1985

kksaints wrote: »

He was a horrible pest, often abusing passers by and drinkers in the pub across the road. He also preached some fairly graphic anti abortion and anti mask views there at times. Think they shops and businesses there got sick of him, he also got in trouble in Waterford aswell I think.

Theres always more to these stories. The gardai are rarely bothered with preachers or buskers unless there is hassle

one world order

The name Jesus is very offensive to many in today's society. Satan's grip over the world continues to tighten. Jesus came to the world for the sinners so that we wouldn't end up in hell. But many people are so deep in the world that the mere thought that God is real is a scary thought that they would rather other people end up in hell than be saved through what Jesus did on the cross for mankind.

Smee_Again

one world order wrote: »

The name Jesus is very offensive to many in today's society. Satan's grip over the world continues to tighten. Jesus came to the world for the sinners so that we wouldn't end up in hell. But many people are so deep in the world that the mere thought that God is real is a scary thought that they would rather other people end up in hell than be saved through what Jesus did on the cross for mankind.

Nah, people just don’t like being verbally abused while they go about their business.

John_Rambo

one world order wrote: »

The name Jesus is very offensive to many in today's society

It's not really though. Non believers and believers use the name all the time, every day when they hurt themselves, when they see something amazing etc...

NaFirinne

Liamo57 wrote: »

Sounds like a prize wanker. Religion should be exercised privately and flutes like this should be arrested immediatly and locked up for 24 hours.

How can christians excercise there beliefs privately when they have been asked by Christ to go out and preech the Gospel?


It's not suppose to be private.


If the man was legit abusive then that's different...but no one should be arreset for preeching the gospel on the streets.


Is there any legit christians on this forum?

o1s1n

NaFirinne wrote: »

...but no one should be arreset for preeching the gospel on the streets.

And nobody was.

John_Rambo

NaFirinne wrote: »

Is there any legit christians on this forum?

Obviously not when you see people like you defending homophobic & racist speeches that lasted for hours.

breezy1985

one world order wrote: »

The name Jesus is very offensive to many in today's society. Satan's grip over the world continues to tighten. Jesus came to the world for the sinners so that we wouldn't end up in hell. But many people are so deep in the world that the mere thought that God is real is a scary thought that they would rather other people end up in hell than be saved through what Jesus did on the cross for mankind.

Did I see you round the bullring in Wexford recently ?

johnnyskeleton

NaFirinne wrote: »

How can christians excercise there beliefs privately when they have been asked by Christ to go out and preech the Gospel?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/wexford-street-preacher-banned-judge-22611251.amp

Did Christ tell people to be racist and homophobic? Seious question, wasnt he all about the good samaratan parable about not juding strangers? And the only thing about gay people that Jesus ever said was the general love thy neighbour. He never said love thy neighbour, unless hes black or gay etc.

As regards having to go out and preach, Im not sure this was the way that was meant to be done

one world order

John_Rambo wrote: »

It's not really though. Non believers and believers use the name all the time, every day when they hurt themselves, when they see something amazing etc...

Though shall not take the name of your lord in vain. You are not supposed to use the name of your saviour as a cusp word.

pearcider

The end times are coming and the persecution and execution of Christians is only beginning. We are in the beginning of sorrows.

one world order

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/wexford-street-preacher-banned-judge-22611251.amp

Did Christ tell people to be racist and homophobic? Seious question, wasnt he all about the good samaratan parable about not juding strangers? And the only thing about gay people that Jesus ever said was the general love thy neighbour. He never said love thy neighbour, unless hes black or gay etc.

As regards having to go out and preach, Im not sure this was the way that was meant to be done

The bible specifically says homosexuality is a sin. I don't think anyone can honestly argue otherwise.

johnnyskeleton

one world order wrote: »

The bible specifically says homosexuality is a sin. I don't think anyone can honestly argue otherwise.

Where did Jesus say it though? Chapter and verse would be great

breezy1985

one world order wrote: »

The bible specifically says homosexuality is a sin. I don't think anyone can honestly argue otherwise.

What about the racism cause he was doing that too.


The thread title is wrong because he wasn't arrested for singing and preeching or preaching of Jesus but spreading hate speech

one world order

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Where did Jesus say it though? Chapter and verse would be great

As the bible was given to us by God through the holy spirit working within people and both the old and new testament referred to it as sin, then homosexual behaviour is not what God wants in his creation. It is a sin and those engaging in it must turn to God to break them free from that spirit working in them.

one world order

breezy1985 wrote: »

What about the racism cause he was doing that too.


The thread title is wrong because he wasn't arrested for singing and preeching or preaching of Jesus but spreading hate speech

Is the gospel hate speech now in this upside down world?

NaFirinne

John_Rambo wrote: »

Obviously not when you see people like you defending homophobic & racist speeches that lasted for hours.

I heard the homophobic speak he was accused of was him qouting from the book of corinthians.

johnnyskeleton

one world order wrote: »

As the bible was given to us by God through the holy spirit working within people and both the old and new testament referred to it as sin, then homosexual behaviour is not what God wants in his creation. It is a sin and those engaging in it must turn to God to break them free from that spirit working in them.

So.....Jesus never actually said anything about homosexuality, no? As in there are four books of the new testament called the gospels that deal directly with Jesus' life and times, and he gets more coversge in the New Testament than anyone else.

Youd think then that if he had any views on homosexuality at all he wouldve aired them, no?

Again, re racism, Ive cited the parable of the good Samaritan (Luke 10:25, by the way) as evidence that Jesus was against racism.

So I dont see how what this guy was saying is in any way due to Christ's direction

Feisar

one world order wrote: »

As the bible was given to us by God through the holy spirit working within people and both the old and new testament referred to it as sin, then homosexual behaviour is not what God wants in his creation. It is a sin and those engaging in it must turn to God to break them free from that spirit working in them.

The Bible was not given to us by God. There were five or six versions of Genesis floating about at one time or other, different political powers decided what went to print. Why is our version called the King James Bible? Do you think there was no influence to suit the narrative of the day? And how many influences did the previous renditions go through?

breezy1985

If its his right for him to preach homophobia through a megaphone is it then also ok for a lad to stand in front of his face reading out the script to a gay porn with a megaphone ?

o1s1n

one world order wrote: »

then homosexual behaviour is not what God wants in his creation.

Someone should probably tell that to the penguins, giraffes and many other creatures in 'creation' who exhibit such behaviour.

NaFirinne

breezy1985 wrote: »

If its his right for him to preach homophobia through a megaphone is it then also ok for a lad to stand in front of his face reading out the script to a gay porn with a megaphone ?

A street preecher would not be phased by that. The person shouting gay porn into his face definetly needs to hear the gospel

Smee_Again

NaFirinne wrote: »

A street preecher would not be phased by that. The person shouting gay porn into his face definetly needs to hear the gospel

But he wouldn’t be reading the gay porn were it not for the preacher.

The preacher’s actions, in this example, have actually turned people away from the word of god. Seems counterproductive.

Weepsie

NaFirinne wrote: »

A street preecher would not be phased by that. The person shouting gay porn into his face definetly needs to hear the gospel

It would be great if you could at least spell preacher correctly

NaFirinne

Smee_Again wrote: »

But he wouldn’t be reading the gay porn were it not for the preacher.

The preacher’s actions, in this example, have actually turned people away from the word of god. Seems counterproductive.

It's a persons own heart that turns them away not the preacher.

NaFirinne

Weepsie wrote: »

It would be great if you could at least spell preacher correctly

Your right sorry about that..

Smee_Again

NaFirinne wrote: »

It's a persons own heart that turns them away not the preacher.

Not in this case.

breezy1985

NaFirinne wrote: »

A street preecher would not be phased by that. The person shouting gay porn into his face definetly needs to hear the gospel

Ide say its the other way round. A good dose of porn for the preacher lad taken with a bit of quality alone time might calm his need to scream angrily from street corners

one world order

one world order wrote: »

Though shall not take the name of your lord in vain. You are not supposed to use the name of your saviour as a cusp word.

You're also not supposed to endanger the lives of others and encourage others to do so.
You're also not supposed to lie.
You're also not supposed to support people who do so and break other commandments such as committing adultery.
But somehow its O.K. to do all of the above and more going by your posts.