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RasTa

Can we lock this too?

nullzero

Things can only get better from here right?

wanderer100

We're getting relegated boys choo choo !!

Tippex

nullzero wrote: »

Things can only get better from here right?

How long have we been saying that for though?

thegreengoblin

Has any other team in recent history ever been taken for such a ride by a so-called star player like Pogba? He has been indulged to the point where it's actually embarrassing watching him play at times. He's the ultimate non-team player.

I'm not Lindelof's biggest fan by any means but the lack of options ahead of him and Maguire was disgraceful. No wonder he lost his head at the end.

As for Ole, he's done what needed to be done and restored some identity to the club. Thanks for that. Now it's time for a proper coach to come in and actually implement a real method and plan on the pitch. Not going for Poch when he's sitting there at home scratching his balls is getting more laughable by the minute.

adox

Gary Neville nearly criticising Ole!

Whatsisname

Maybe don't lunge into a tackle when you're out of breath so?

https://twitter.com/utdreport/status/1322974733445615618?s=20

Zeek12

What was the thinking dropping Fred deeper today, and playing McT further forward?
Vive-versa worked much better midweek.

Fred can press better when more advanced. And he's not always comfortable receiving the ball deep from the CBs.

pjohnson

Whatsisname wrote: »

Maybe don't lunge into a tackle when you're out of breath so?

https://twitter.com/utdreport/status/1322974733445615618?s=20

Tbf he wouldn't be used to running so was probably badly disorientated.

xtal191

wanderer100 wrote: »

We're getting relegated boys choo choo !!

At least we'll win the Champions League too

adox

Whatsisname wrote: »

Maybe don't lunge into a tackle when you're out of breath so?

https://twitter.com/utdreport/status/1322974733445615618?s=20

He was goal side of the Arsenal player before the pass was played and stood there ball watching. Then compounded it by the utterly ridiculous but utterly predictable challenge from him.

He wasn’t alone in being brutal but he was the icing on the cake. Sick of the sight of him.

Zeek12

pjohnson wrote: »

Tbf he wouldn't be used to running so was probably disorientated.

If he tracked the runner in the first place, as he should, the lunge wouldn't even be necessary.
But he constantly "switches off" in those situations.

All_in_Flynn

Whatsisname wrote: »

Maybe don't lunge into a tackle when you're out of breath so?

https://twitter.com/utdreport/status/1322974733445615618?s=20

It was so stupid. Unforgiveable. You see it happen so often too where players try to nick it in the box when an opponent is coming from the blindside. Just stay on your feet. At best you're going to give away a corner.

Kerrydude1981

Zeek12 wrote: »

What was the thinking dropping Fred deeper today, and playing McT further forward?
Vive-versa worked much better midweek.

Fred can press better when more advanced. And he's not always comfortable receiving the ball deep from the CBs.

Ya that was very strange one, Scott McT was just being sucked back the field, maybe DVB might have been a better option to play on the right side of the diamond if he wanted to play Fred in the deeper role

Headshot

All_in_Flynn wrote: »

It was so stupid. Unforgiveable. You see it happen so often too where players try to nick it in the box when an opponent is coming from the blindside. Just stay on your feet. At best you're going to give away a corner.

Shaw not closing down the attacker didnt help either but Paul deservedly gets most of the blame

Father Hernandez

Pochettino on Sky Sports tomorrow night, might be worth tuning into what he has to say.

Firmly of the opinion with that squad of players, United would be on a different level to where they are now with him.

Say what you want about what he's won as a manager, he brought Southampton and Spurs to a diff level, never got backed at Spurs (not sure he will either at United) but the players IMO are there and certainly better than 15th place in the league.

There is a reason Poch is linked to bigger clubs and why Ole is not. I'd hate to miss out, seems too obvious.

Bleating Lamb

adox wrote: »

Gary Neville nearly criticising Ole!

Nearly being the operative word!!!

patmac

Today’s result, the weather and especially the news about Bobby Charlton is making it a very depressing day.

Headshot

There's been no progression under Ole at all, I cannot find any glimmer of hope.

downwesht

Ole has one plan in each game,if it works....Fantastic(his favourite word)if it doesn't he has no plan B.
They were played off the pitch today again,but the score didn't reflect it.
Pogba stealing a living and DDG won't save a penalty EVER......
Maguire is a second Phil Jones only 5 times the price.
No passion,no drive no ideas.....
pathetic

Robson99

What did Keane have to say ?
How we could do with a Robson, Ince or Keane player at the club. There isint one leader in that squad...not one

Kerrydude1981

Robson99 wrote: »

What did Keane have to say ?
How we could do with a Robson, Ince or Keane player at the club. There isint one leader in that squad...not one

https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1322972189596024837?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1322972189596024837%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.buzz.ie%2Ffootball%2Froy-keane-analysis-arsenal-397258

wanderer100

Headshot wrote: »

There's been no progression under Ole at all, I cannot find any glimmer of hope.

It’s constant 1 step forward 2 step backs. We all know what the cycle is at this club. Ever since the club didn’t back Ole in the summer, we knew Ole getting the sack is a strong strong possibility and now we’re heading down that road .

Once we’re knocked out of the CL and top 4 is mathematically impossible, only then will he be gone. December / January most likely

Kerrydude1981

https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1322980160195432460

Father Hernandez

Robson99 wrote: »

What did Keane have to say ?
How we could do with a Robson, Ince or Keane player at the club. There isint one leader in that squad...not one

He was fairly spot on.

Said United are drifting as a club, never thought they could beat City or Liverpool in the title race but certainly thought they could keep up with them in the top 4 and stay there. But a million miles away now.

Said the players should need no more motivation to beat Arsenal at OT, I agree but maybe it's also down to the belief the coach can set up the team to beat Arsenal and buying into that. Nothing from that game suggests a clear plan/strategy.

Matter of time for Ole I feel, could be gone by 1st Dec.

London clubs have our number this season.

All that talent and money on the field, and we can't get a sniff at goal. The closest we came to scoring was a deflection off an Arsenal defender's foot onto their keeper's face and off the post. Fückin hell.

Ole keeps the worst player on the pitch, a player with fück-all goals and assists, and takes off Bruno who while playing bad is still the most likely to create an equaliser. At halftime I gave Ole 45 minutes to see what he could do to change it up before criticising...well he failed badly.

Nights like PSG and RB are great and very welcome, but our bread and butter is the league and right now we're in major trouble. Ole will be gone by Xmas, but it's a pity that Pogba is going to outlast another manager.

No other club can afford Pogba right now. At this stage, I'd love to see him put up for 50m just to get rid of him and his wages. Otherwise, he will be a liability for the next manager also.

jamesbere

Arteta is new into management and even can read oles tactics.

Headshot

Last season utd suffered their worse start in 33yrs, Ole looking to break that this season

RasTa

We will win on Wednesday 9/9 in the CL and lose away to Everton and that will be that for Ole going into the international break

Father Hernandez

wanderer100 wrote: »

Once we’re knocked out of the CL and top 4 is mathematically impossible, only then will he be gone. December / January most likely

Agreed although I'd rather we just pull the plug now.

A serious club like Bayern pulled the trigger on their coach last year when they were in a similar league position but still in the CL.

Flick comes in on an interim basis and does well (like Ole) and wins a treble.

Too much dithering and waiting around. The season feels over but it's still in its infancy and while a title is out of the question, top 4 and something to build on isn't.

Adamcp898

RasTa wrote: »

We will win on Wednesday 9/9 in the CL and lose away to Everton and that will be that for Ole going into the international break

I hope you’re right. At the minute everything is just stale. A decent CL run wasn’t enough for Moyesy back when we still had some standards but it shouldn’t be enough now either.

Meh Keane directing his criticism all at the players

Ole is to blame for these performances and tactics just as much as the team

Stop scapegoating your m8 lads

Rossi IRL

#PochIN

Bleating Lamb

RasTa wrote: »

We will win on Wednesday 9/9 in the CL and lose away to Everton and that will be that for Ole going into the international break

Everton had a great start to the Season....were lucky that they got away with a few serious bloopers from Pickford but still won games....they are missing their talisman Richarlison, Seamus Coleman and a few others for next weekends game....Utd should be well able to at least score a goal or two there given how poor Pickford is but won't if Ole continues to pick lads like Pogba who are not bothered if we win or lose as long as their haircut looks cool.

The team on the field for the final 20 mins today had no shape to it going forward.

sky88

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Meh Keane directing his criticism all at the players

Ole is to blame for these performances and tactics just as much as the team

Stop scapegoating your m8 lads

This is so frustrating from the ex players just refusing to give deserved criticism to ole

Man with broke phone

Did we just play 4 games in two weeks?

PARlance

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Everton had a great start to the Season....were lucky that they got away with a few serious bloopers from Pickford but still won games....they are missing their talisman Richarlison, Seamus Coleman and a few others for next weekends game....Utd should be well able to at least score a goal or two there given how poor Pickford is but won't if Ole continues to pick lads like Pogba who are not bothered if we win or lose as long as their haircut looks cool.

The team on the field for the final 20 mins today had no shape to it going forward.

Olsen played in goal for Everton today. Pickford was dropped/on bench.

Headshot

Deleted User wrote: »

Meh Keane directing his criticism all at the players

Ole is to blame for these performances and tactics just as much as the team

Stop scapegoating your m8 lads

Are you surprised, he wont criticise his pal

I dont think anyone is scapegoating how bad some our players are but they dont control the team that starts, the formation, subs etc

Ole was and is a disastrous choice as a utd manager.

Look at the subs today, I was shocked to see Matic come on instead of trying to get the initiative and bring on an attacking player and then leaving it late to bring on attacking subs after Arsenal score

nullzero

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Meh Keane directing his criticism all at the players

Ole is to blame for these performances and tactics just as much as the team

Stop scapegoating your m8 lads

He has a point about the players attitude. Only they can affect that and they continually fail to do so. He's having a laugh not criticising Solksjaer though, it's like Liam Brady never saying a bad word about Wenger when he was RTE with Bill and the boys back in the day.

We do need to accept that some of these players have continually failed to perform for this club under 3 managers at this stage.

There's no easy answers for United and while Poch would improve us, there's some problems in that dressing room that will stop any manager from succeeding.

xtal191

https://twitter.com/utdreport/status/1322978804986511373

https://twitter.com/oilysailor/status/1322967803247398913

Lord TSC

sky88 wrote: »

This is so frustrating from the ex players just refusing to give deserved criticism to ole

Happened with Giggs too. And the inverse happened with Jose.

There's a large gang of ex-players who will point blank refuse to put any blame at the feet of one of their own. Its always everyone elses fault, never their friends.

xtal191

xtal191 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/utdreport/status/1322978804986511373

https://twitter.com/oilysailor/status/1322967803247398913

That first quote is depressing

Robson99

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1322972189596024837?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1322972189596024837%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.buzz.ie%2Ffootball%2Froy-keane-analysis-arsenal-397258

He is dead right.

El Gato De Negocios

xtal191 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/utdreport/status/1322978804986511373

https://twitter.com/oilysailor/status/1322967803247398913

Jesus Christ that first comment, we were shyte last year so it's not a problem we are shyte this year.

Just fcuking sack him and sell he who shall not be named to anyone that will buy him, a fcuking virus.

Drumpot

V Brighton Pogba taken off VDB comes on and plays well we win
V Newcastle Pogba doesn’t start and plays 21 mins we win
V Chelsea Pogba doesn’t start we play poor but don’t lose

Pretty much game he started we have lost and we only beat Brighton when he was taken off. Perhaps unfair to hint that he’s the sole issue or that it’s the players fault but it certainly looks like he’s becoming a big problem that’s dragging the whole team down.

Neville said something like you have to find a way to get a Pogba into your team but Carragher was spot on by countering it by asking why we are still trying to find out where to play PP after 4 years.

I really do think that this is where the influence of Woodward/Glazers has a direct negative impact on the first team. Pogba has wanted to leave for over 2 years and I don’t believe it was Jose or Ole desperate to keep him, I’d say both were told from above to make it work with the clubs most expensive signing who attracted the most traffic ever to the website when he joined. If I had a choice right now I would rather Pogba was given away for nothing, I think the damage trying to accommodate him is more then he’s worth. I keep expecting the penny to drop (he was really good against Leipzig) but he reverts back to type.

Whatever happens manager wise, if Pogba continues to be kept on as Woodward’s trophy we will end up in the same trouble over and over again with managers being forced to fit Pogba into a team at the expense of team progress.

StringerBell

Don't see much wrong in what Keane said, he's spot on actually. The world and it's dog know at this stage that Ole isn't up to it and is on borrowed time but it doesn't excuse the piss that the players serve up time and again to manager after manager in some cases. It's a joke.

Anyway, normal service being resumed today is not the worst news of the day. Very saddened to read the news about Bobby Charlton, an absolute icon of the club I wish him and his family the best.

malinheader

As a United supporter for a long number of years I am really struggling to find another player for us who has put in so many poor or more so diabolical performances and been so uninterested in playing for the club as Pogba.
How he stayed on for 90 minutes today tells me it's the tail wagging the dog.
Also under no circumstances am I defending solskjaer but,
Does anyone think any manager at any level would of kept a player like him on the pitch today. Only unless you're hands were tyed.
Totally bemused.

NIMAN

Never knew he played for Waterford

The difference being is when we were in this repeat scenario with Jose...Jose was hammered by the same ex Utd players on Sky

They are hypocritical to the extreme

We know what these players with Paul Pogba in the centre of the squad are capable of doing for years

It has taken an ex liverpool player to point the finger at Ole also

StringerBell

Keane has been pretty consistent though, he isn't one to always blame the manager and it was a long time ago now when he made the comment that these players threw Jose under the bus and they will do the same to Ole, leopards don't change their spots.