Irritating American names for things

Quantum Erasure

"Liberation"
"Freedom"
"Democracy"

Hamsterchops

The DayDream wrote: »

What is really bewildering to me though, is since you're so Gaelic-y and all, Gaoth, why do you say 'Mum' like a bloody Englishman?

Mum is used a lot in Ireland, along with, Mam and Ma, although I'm beginning to see & hear Mom quite a bit too, never saw or heard 'Mom' growing up here in the 70s & 80s although it might have been out there?

I guess Mom is the norm in America?

Maths = Ireland/Britain.
Math = America + Pat Kenny

Windscreen in Ireland/Britain.
Windshield in America.

Peregrinus

Deja Boo wrote: »

Puke.

Not American; found in British English from the sixteenth century onwards, along with pukishness (queasiness; nausea) and puker (an emetic; something you take to make you throw up).

It use to be a fairly "neutral" word and would turn up, e.g., in medical reports. It's only in recent times that it has become colloquial/casual.

Peregrinus

Lord Nikon wrote: »

J-Walking

It's "jay-walking". From jay, a family of fairly noisy birds; to jay, mildly derogatory term for a person who talks inconsequentially and never shuts up; to jay, mildly derogatory term for a stupid or silly person generally; to jay-walker, a person who crosses the street without regard to traffic regulations or, frequently, traffic.

All these senses are found in British English (in Shakespeare, no less) except for the last, which first turns up in US English in the 1910s.

Gaoth Laidir

The DayDream wrote: »

No, I was born here, been back and forth, and I've lived in Ireland for the last 15 years. I just think it's stupid how people go on like this.

And then when they have nothing of substance to come up with as a comeback when they get called out on it, they go, 'Ah, so ye're American are ye?' Because they think that wins the argument.

Why is it so hard to accept people from different countries have slightly different words for things, why does it have to be 'irritating'? My theory is it's only irritating if you're a bit of a dick. Let them have their sidewalks and garbage cans and awesomes. We have shíte and wee.

My question related to your use of z in realize.

I have no such issue with the American dialect, or any other, for that matter. My gripe is with the increasing number of Irish people who for some reason deliberately choose to use Americanisms and today's kids with American twangs. Maybe they think it makes them cool or whatever.

Listen to Classic Hits, Radio Nova, etc. All the jingles and ads are done with American accents. Why is that? What's wrong with a local one? I'm not saying it should be an "Oul Mister Brennan" accent, but why go out of their way to use a different one?

Gaoth Laidir

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

My gripe is with the increasing number of Irish people who for some reason deliberately choose to use Americanisms and today's kids with American twangs. Maybe they think it makes them cool or whatever.

Young fella comes to the door to make a delivery. Seems a nice fella. We chat for a few seconds and I hear the twang so I go "Where in the States are you from? I lived in [city name] for 20 years."

"No. I'm Irish."

"Sorry" sez I "I just thought with the accent..."

"I watch a lot of TV."

That was his reason.. and each to their own, I suppose.

What really gets my goat is the obssession with US politics. It is causing Irish politics to become Americanized too, which is a step backwards. The Irish people that engage in this utter rubbish are the new West Brits, IMO tipping their caps to war mongers. They argue over the merits of presidential candidates, but not from the perspective of an Irish person that may be impacted by US foreign policy.. they argue from the perspective of the candidate's domestic policies the consequences of which they will never experience. The vast majority of people in the US are too busy getting on with their lives to get into politics.. making these Irish zealots even more preposterous. I could go on..

Deja Boo

Peregrinus wrote: »

Not American; found in British English from the sixteenth century onwards, along with pukishness (queasiness; nausea) and puker (an emetic; something you take to make you throw up).

It use to be a fairly "neutral" word and would turn up, e.g., in medical reports. It's only in recent times that it has become colloquial/casual.

...and yet, I still don't like it.
(shudders) Puker is even worse.

Fr Tod Umptious

They use the word "riding" in a different context
https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2021/05/12/police-california-tesla-driver-riding-in-backseat-arrested?p1=hp_featurestack

Fr Tod Umptious

They use the word "riding" in a different context

Police: California Tesla driver riding in backseat arrested

https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2021/05/12/police-california-tesla-driver-riding-in-backseat-arrested?p1=hp_featurestack

dxhound2005

It irritates some people on Boards whenever a new definition of a word evolves. But I would surmise that the various definitions for Ride have been around for a long time.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Ride

wandererz

Considering that so much time has been spent there:

i-rack
i-rackee

i-ran
i-ranee

Wibbs

riclad wrote: »

I have never heard any Irish
person say yard to mean a garden or space behind a house

I certainly have and it was at least a quite Dublin thing. Folks inside the canals had yards, those outside tended to have gardens. Generally a yard was paved and smaller, a garden wasn't and larger.

I don't like it when people use the C word randomly in podcasts
I think it's the worst word you can use even if you are joking

Actually "the C word" is the worst word in American culture and it's likely that's where you've picked that up from. Not nearly so much here(or wasn't) and in Australia it can be a term of endearment.

MeepMeep2021 wrote: »

Young fella comes to the door to make a delivery. Seems a nice fella. We chat for a few seconds and I hear the twang so I go "Where in the States are you from? I lived in [city name] for 20 years."

"No. I'm Irish."

"Sorry" sez I "I just thought with the accent..."

"I watch a lot of TV."

That was his reason.. and each to their own, I suppose.

That's a huge part of it. Though I grew up exposed to British telly with a fair smattering of US in the mix and the only time I heard a faux accent of either sort from Irish lips was the occasional DJ on the radio or in a club.

What really gets my goat is the obssession with US politics. It is causing Irish politics to become Americanized too, which is a step backwards. The Irish people that engage in this utter rubbish are the new West Brits, IMO tipping their caps to war mongers.

Pretty much. The Irish psyche tends to be an insecure one and tends to look outside to whatever the culture de jour is for acknowledgement. Though the English can have this too. In the early days of rock and roll and popular music, something pretty much invented in the US English singers would ape American singing voices, only changing when the Beatles, Stones, Kinks etc went huge and more to the point huge in America.

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Mum is used a lot in Ireland, along with, Mam and Ma, although I'm beginning to see & hear Mom quite a bit too, never saw or heard 'Mom' growing up here in the 70s & 80s although it might have been out there?

Apparently it was the norm in some area of West Cork, but yeah beyond it mam, ma, mum were the words. Mum being from England, Ma/Mam being pretty much exclusively Irish. Mom was an alien sound and you will not hear it in any recording of a native Irish voice pre 1990, if not later. These days it's everywhere. Initially replacing mum by the same suburban demographics, but spreading beyond them.

Again I'd reckon there's some of that same Irish insecurity going on with both loan words/accents. Ireland had one of the highest numbers of elocution teachers in the 50's and 60's. Around the time when more and more rural people were making their way to urban centres there seemed to be a gra for rounding off the "culshie" accents to more "acceptable" ones for their now middle class aspirations. As above the demographic that was first to use "mom" was the the same one that grabbed "mum" for itself. "Ma" and "mam" were too common. Over the same period the Dort accent has gone from a strangulated received English accent to a strangulated mid Atlantic one. I have found the most strangulated to the point of farce will be found among young Irish men, but the accents are more common on average among young Irish women.

Hamsterchops

Mom.

Wibbs wrote: »

Apparently it was the norm in some area of West Cork, but yeah beyond it mam, ma, mum were the words. Mum being from England, Ma/Mam being pretty much exclusively Irish. Mom was an alien sound and you will not hear it in any recording of a native Irish voice pre 1990, if not later. These days it's everywhere. Initially replacing mum by the same suburban demographics, but spreading beyond them.

Again I'd reckon there's some of that same Irish insecurity going on with both loan words/accents. Ireland had one of the highest numbers of elocution teachers in the 50's and 60's. Around the time when more and more rural people were making their way to urban centres there seemed to be a gra for rounding off the "culshie" accents to more "acceptable" ones for their now middle class aspirations. As above the demographic that was first to use "mom" was the the same one that grabbed "mum" for itself. "Ma" and "mam" were too common. Over the same period the Dort accent has gone from a strangulated received English accent to a strangulated mid Atlantic one. I have found the most strangulated to the point of farce will be found among young Irish men, but the accents are more common on average among young Irish women.

Sorry Wibbs, (but I get the impression) that Mam is very common in the North of England, probably far more common than Mum, which is very common in the South of England, Scotland & Ireland, and I agree with everything else you say ✓

dxhound2005

Wibbs wrote: »

The Irish psyche tends to be an insecure one and tends to look outside to whatever the culture de jour is for acknowledgement.

My Irish psyche is different to yours. I do not look outside for acknowledgement. Why are you insecure about your culture?

Wibbs

dxhound2005 wrote: »

My Irish psyche is different to yours. I do not look outside for acknowledgement. Why are you insecure about your culture?

ohnonotgmail

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Mom.



Sorry Wibbs, (but I get the impression) that Mam is very common in the North of England, probably far more common than Mum, which is very common in the South of England, Scotland & Ireland, and I agree with everything else you say ✓

Mam is definitely a thing in the north of england.

Wibbs

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Sorry Wibbs, (but I get the impression) that Mam is very common in the North of England,

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Mam is definitely a thing in the north of england.

Yeah Duuuuuh on my part. I'd completely forgotten about that.

Badly Drunk Boy

The DayDream wrote: »

It's pure narrow mindedness and is just a symptom of people having a chip on their shoulder against Americans because they come from a huge rich country or whatever. It's not every Yanks fault you never left Ballybackarseofnowhere, believe it or not, and it may shock you to learn that the dialect of such places is actually not the standard.

The Irish way of speaking English is practiced by a very small fraction of the English speaking world. So for most people who speak English it's the Irish way that is wrong. But no one gives out about it because the Irish are the cute happy charming drunks. Except if you live here for a while or are on boards and then you realize they are actually quite often seething balls of hate inside, just like any normal person.

Nobody here have not been advocating for the English-speaking world to adopt Hiberno-English. Rather, they would prefer if Irish people not adopt Americanisms, especially non-sensical or cringeworthy ones. These foreign terms often lack a musicality that we're used.

Yes, language evolves but so does the death of cultures. If you want to be assimilated, good for you! Some of us want to retain our character, even if it's a losing battle.

On the flip side (whoops), I see Americans using 'Feck' a lot more these days. When 'feck the begrudgers' becomes standard usage over there, our work will be done. :pac:

ohnonotgmail

Wibbs wrote: »

Yeah Duuuuuh on my part. I'd completely forgotten about that.

for example, from about 30 seconds in here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkEXqywc6RE

wandererz

wandererz wrote: »

Considering that so much time has been spent there:

i-rack
i-racki

i-ran
i-rani

Apologies, i realised i made a mistake:

i-rack
i-rackee

i-ran
i-ranee

Hamsterchops

Fanny pack

And for the uninitiated among you it has nothing to do with a lady's front bottom. Actually a Fanny pack is what we call a Bum bag. I think in America a fanny is a back bottom? Weird bum confusion.

Hamsterchops

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Fanny pack

And for the uninitiated among you it has nothing to do with a lady's front bottom. Actually a Fanny pack is what we call a Bum bag. I think in America a fanny is a back bottom? Weird bum confusion.

Bummer, dude. :pac:

branie2

wandererz wrote: »

Considering that so much time has been spent there:

i-rack
i-rackee

i-ran
i-ranee

Moscow
Mos-Cow

trashcan

Erbs , for herbs. Grrrr

branie2

Car boot - trunk

NSAman

MY BAD! = I am a thick yank

Trunk = boot of a car

Starbucks = Coffee

Yeah No = Chicago for No

Gaoth Laidir

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Fanny pack

And for the uninitiated among you it has nothing to do with a lady's front bottom. Actually a Fanny pack is what we call a Bum bag. I think in America a fanny is a back bottom? Weird bum confusion.

https://youtu.be/LDsfzJXGAo8

Deja Boo

NSAman wrote: »

MY BAD! = I am a thick yank

Trunk = boot of a car

Starbucks = Coffee

Yeah No = Chicago for No

and "the opposite of"

My L.A. friend says it repeatedly: "I am SO not wanting sun, I want the opposite of!" ...ya mean darkness?

Shebean

Oregino for Oregano.
Alumanumb for Aluminum.
Tush for arse

Deja Boo

Shebean wrote: »

Oregino for Oregano.
Alumanumb for Aluminum.
Tush for arse

I might adopt the last one. Tush beats bahookie!

supernova5

Shebean wrote: »

Oregino for Oregano.
Alumanumb for Aluminum.
Tush for arse

also bunghole for arse

dxhound2005

From Spanish orégano (“wild marjoram”)

In Spanish the general rule is that the second last syllable is stressed in speech. Where the stress is on another syllable that carries an accent, in this case on the second syllable. So the Americans copied the Spanish pronunciation.

NSAman

Any good and commonly used swear word.... Irish win hands down... the "C" word is like the nuclear option when used here in the States..;)

supernova5

NSAman wrote: »

Any good and commonly used swear word.... Irish win hands down... the "C" word is like the nuclear option when used here in the States..;)

damn right, I'll swear to that

FishOnABike

NSAman wrote: »

Any good and commonly used swear word.... Irish win hands down... the "C" word is like the nuclear option when used here in the States..;)

If it was good enough for Chaucer and Shakespeare it's good enough for me.

dxhound2005

FishOnABike wrote: »

If it was good enough for Chaucer and Shakespeare it's good enough for me.

According to Google, Shakespeare used "my bad" in one of his poems.

ohnonotgmail

dxhound2005 wrote: »

According to Google, Shakespeare used "my bad" in one of his poems.

he certainly used the word "bad" after the word "my" but the meaning was not quite the same.

Cilldara_2000

Wibbs wrote: »

Pretty much. The Irish psyche tends to be an insecure one and tends to look outside to whatever the culture de jour is for acknowledgement. Though the English can have this too. In the early days of rock and roll and popular music, something pretty much invented in the US English singers would ape American singing voices, only changing when the Beatles, Stones, Kinks etc went huge and more to the point huge in America.

Prolly has already been mentioned in the thread, but when you hear someone singing in an Irish or British accent on the radio now, it’s an unusual and pleasant surprise. Nearly all of them singing in some fake bland American accent that doesn’t actual exist in America and almost always sounds wrong. Apparently it’s also a problem in America:

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/08/why-british-singers-lose-their-accent-when-singing/

Hamsterchops

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

https://youtu.be/LDsfzJXGAo8

Well done finding that

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

riclad wrote:

I have never heard any Irish person say yard to mean a garden or space behind a house

I certainly have and it was at least a quite Dublin thing. Folks inside the canals had yards, those outside tended to have gardens. Generally a yard was paved and smaller, a garden wasn't and larger.

yeah, a yard definitely implies paving, or concrete, or at least, gravel. It is a place in the curtilage of a house where there is no grass or flowers, except as weeds.

A series of stables is always called "a yard", but the word applies to any space from a farmyard to a car-parking area that is built on. Am surprised that riclad has never heard it, I wouldn't have thought that was an Americanism at all.

Peregrinus

A Lamb Named Miltiades! wrote: »

yeah, a yard definitely implies paving, or concrete, or at least, gravel. It is a place in the curtilage of a house where there is no grass or flowers, except as weeds.

A series of stables is always called "a yard", but the word applies to any space from a farmyard to a car-parking area that is built on. Am surprised that riclad has never heard it, I wouldn't have thought that was an Americanism at all.

The americanism is the use of "yard" for what we would call a garden. To us, a yard is uncultivated; once you plant grass, flowers or trees then it's no longer a yard. But, to Americans, the area of ground attached to your house, used for growing flowers, for recreation, etc, is still a yard. Americans would only use "garden" for something like a kitchen-garden or vegetable-garden, or for a really spectacular formal garden, or for gardens open to the public (like the Botanic Garden, say).

(To American ears, when we call the bit out behind the house the "garden", that has a pretentious sound.)

^ True dat.

Badly Drunk Boy

wandererz wrote: »

Apologies, i realised i made a mistake:

i-rack
i-rackee

i-ran
i-ranee

In the same manner, in the programme 'Community', Chevy Chase's character always referred to the other character Abed as 'AY-bed' as opposed to the way everyone else said his name (Ah-bed). Obviously they're all Americans (probably) but it's the sort of same thing.

Surprised no one has brought up the updated Oscar Wilde quote from the 2021 Edition of 'Quotes Gone Wilde' by Poolbeg Press: "Y'all bi*chez is weird. I mean, we s'pose to speak the same language like brothers, but y'all talk funny."

Peregrinus

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

In the same manner, in the programme 'Community', Chevy Chase's character always referred to the other character Abed as 'AY-bed' as opposed to the way everyone else said his name (Ah-bed). Obviously they're all Americans (probably) but it's the sort of same thing.

Americans do this a lot with non-Anglo names; MulCAYhy, for example, instead of Mulcahy. And, back before the name fell out of fashion for reason that I can't quite recall, AYdolf instead of Adolf.

Mad_maxx

real estate

Mad_maxx

NSAman wrote: »

Any good and commonly used swear word.... Irish win hands down... the "C" word is like the nuclear option when used here in the States..;)

its a horrible word anywhere , i dont mind cursing but hate that word

Celmullet

Irish Brogue for an Irish accent.

dxhound2005

Mad_maxx wrote: »

real estate

apartment