Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

polesheep

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Government's job has been done by NPHET there this evening. The leaking of plans was there to gauge public opinion. Well the outpouring of anger to this NPHET recommendation can leave the government in no doubt that opinion has swung firmly against NPHET and further strong lockdown.

My FB and Twitter timeline is full of the layman complaining about the latest suggestion, the type that has followed the NPHET/RTE/MSM pro lockdown narrative to a tee so far. They've lost the dressing room, so to speak

I hope you are right.

Zebra3

[Deleted User] wrote: »

NPHET advised us to go to level 5 for six weeks and get the case numbers down to about 50 a day.

We followed that advice and the cost to the country is well in excess of 1.5 billion.

The lockdown hasn’t worked. There has been heavy restrictions in place in Dublin for months now and no major drop in cases.

Could it be that these lockdowns are hugely expensive and not really helping?

It’s almost like you’re suggesting accountability!!!

Not in Ireland, no way!!

MOR316

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Seems there’s a strange idea on here that disagreeing with NPHETs decisions somehow makes you some sort of conspiracy theorist alcoholic.

People are allowed to disagree.
This is, believe it or not, a democracy.

Pipe down, rub a dub

ACitizenErased

MOR316 wrote: »

Pipe down, rub a dub

Ah wisht im dyin for a pint and a bowl of chicken wings

Kermit.de.frog

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

Or maybe the fact hospitals are rampant with covid didn't help matters and NPHET and the HSE need to get their own houses in order before wagging the finger at the public, restaurants and pubs.

Beef

What's beef got to do with it?

BeefeaterHat

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Seems there’s a strange idea on here that disagreeing with NPHETs decisions somehow makes you some sort of conspiracy theorist alcoholic.

People are allowed to disagree.
This is, believe it or not, a democracy.

Well when you can't structure an argument you just stereotype and pigeonhole everyone who disagrees with you into a horrific caricature to make yourself look good.

MOR316

froog wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1126/1180723-santa-claus-christmas-covid-travel/

He added: "It's important to say to all children in the country that we regard Santa Claus's travels as essential travel for essential purposes and therefore he is exempt from the need to self-quarantine for 14 days and should be able to come in and out of Irish airspace and indeed in and out of Irish homes without having to restrict his movement.



ONE RULE FOR SANTA AND ONE FOR THE REST OF US!! BLOODY NPHET!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

All well and good until Tony Holohan plugholes every chimney in the country

polesheep

shinzon wrote: »

For a lockdown to work and I use lockdown in this instance in the loosest possible term people must adhere to it which this time they didnt, thats why the case numbers didnt go down to the exit target of 100 a day, tiredness complacency didnt bother there hole take your pick

Unless theres buy in then lockdown doesnt work simple as

Shin

This was always known and yet it wasn't planned for.

BeefeaterHat

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What's beef got to do with it?

I was signing off my post.

MOR316

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Ah wisht im dyin for a pint and a bowl of chicken wings

And a packet of crips

Ficheall

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

Well when you can't structure an argument you just stereotype and pigeonhole everyone who disagrees with you into a horrific caricature to make yourself look good.

Calling them doom-mongers, etc..

pjohnson

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Seems there’s a strange idea on here that disagreeing with NPHETs decisions somehow makes you some sort of conspiracy theorist alcoholic.

People are allowed to disagree.
This is, believe it or not, a democracy.

True. But is the rest of your post not getting upset about people disagreeing with your opinion?

So which is it then?

BeefeaterHat

pjohnson wrote: »

True. But is the rest of your post not getting upset about people disagreeing with your opinion?

So which is it then?

You can disagree with someone without branding the entire nation alcoholics as one poster did.

ACitizenErased

pjohnson wrote: »

True. But is the rest of your post not getting upset about people disagreeing with your opinion?

So which is it then?

You've fellas on here calling people alcoholics for suggesting NPHET are wrong.
Jog along.

MOR316

pjohnson wrote: »

True. But is the rest of your post not getting upset about people disagreeing with your opinion?

So which is it then?

Tbf, I've not seen strange accusations coming from Citizen.

I've had some far out accusations come at me from some posters because I disagree with a lot of NPHET's recommendations and actions

KrustyUCC

shinzon wrote: »

For a lockdown to work and I use lockdown in this instance in the loosest possible term people must adhere to it which this time they didnt, thats why the case numbers didnt go down to the exit target of 100 a day, tiredness complacency didnt bother there hole take your pick

Unless theres buy in then lockdown doesnt work simple as

Shin

Good luck to NPHET trying to sell a new lockdown in January/February if people didn't adhere this time

For those that did the only thing that NPHET would change for all their effort is non essential retail to open but with enhanced measures

Royale with Cheese

NPHET advising it's either open restaurants or allow household visits but not both? Grand, open the restaurants and leave the public decide if they want to follow Tony's advice on house visits.

pjohnson

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You've fellas on here calling people alcoholics for suggesting NPHET are wrong.
Jog along.

Well you've fellas on here claiming cases are being purposefully held back to further the lockdown
Jog along.

ACitizenErased

MOR316 wrote: »

Tbf, I've not seen strange accusations coming from Citizen.

I've had some far out accusations come at me from some posters because I disagree with a lot of NPHET's recommendations and actions

I'm not very liked by a few of the Tony 'level 3 didn't work' 'endzone' heads on here

Eod100

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Good luck to NPHET trying to sell a new lockdown in January/February if people didn't adhere this time

For those that did the only thing that NPHET would change for all their effort is non essential retail to open but with enhanced measures

Varadkar has been the one floating restrictions in January so there's implicit admission that could be spike in cases after Christmas.

BeefeaterHat

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm not very liked by a few of the Tony 'level 3 didn't work' 'endzone' heads on here

You should get out the worry chart to show how unworried the public are. It's like something out of South Park.

growleaves

shinzon wrote: »

For a lockdown to work and I use lockdown in this instance in the loosest possible term people must adhere to it which this time they didnt, thats why the case numbers didnt go down to the exit target of 100 a day, tiredness complacency didnt bother there hole take your pick

Unless theres buy in then lockdown doesnt work simple as

Shin

In that case lockdowns should be off the table as an option.

We've tried treating human nature and everything that is valuable in normal human relationships as a mere detail and now find that the mass of people won't co-operate.

Who is surprised by that?

Duke of Url

With the exception of healthcare workers and care homes, I would simply like to know how the f**k 100s of people are catching COVID-19 on a daily basis.

Face-masks, hand sanitizer and social distancing. Are people really having difficulty with the basics?

ACitizenErased

pjohnson wrote: »

Fair enough re. Hoolohan.


Still some people are making up conspiracies about hidden case numbers. So thats still relevant.

Yet blanket comments are made about the genuine posters who disagree with NPHETs advice.

bennyl10

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

NPHET advising it's either open restaurants or allow household visits but not both? Grand, open the restaurants and leave the public decide if they want to follow Tony's advice on house visits.

Surely the right call is to keep restaurants closed and let people actually go and visit their family.

For those of us that want to follow restrictions.

Zebra3

Eod100 wrote: »

Varadkar has been the one floating restrictions in January so there's implicit admission that could be spike in cases after Christmas.

Or more likely he’s just bladdering on.

polesheep

pjohnson wrote: »

Well you've fellas on here claiming cases are being purposefully held back to further the lockdown
Jog along.

In the case of holding back cases there is sufficient evidence to at least say, "It seems." Whereas, in the case of saying the entire nation are alcoholics...

BeefeaterHat

Duke of Url wrote: »

With the exception of healthcare workers and care homes, I would simply like to know how the f**k 100s of people are catching COVID-19 on a daily basis.

Face-masks, hand sanitizer and social distancing. Are people really having difficulty with the basics?

It's a highly contagious respiratory illness. Trying to stop it spreading is nearly impossible. Also the schools are open with nearly a million students coming and going every day. We were never going to reach summers low and it's been an absolute waste of time and money

spookwoman

polesheep

Eod100 wrote: »

Varadkar has been the one floating restrictions in January so there's implicit admission that could be spike in cases after Christmas.

He runs with the hare and hunts with the hounds, and pops his head up when he thinks that there might be a round of applause.

MOR316

bennyl10 wrote: »

Surely the right call is to keep restaurants closed and let people actually go and visit their family.

For those of us that want to follow restrictions.

If the restaurants opened, what's stopping you from not going to them?

I'm confused here, genuinely!
Are you saying you're waiting for Government and NPHET to tell you what to do?

They're guidelines! You have a choice! It's up to you!

Duke of Url

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

It's a highly contagious respiratory illness. Trying to stop it spreading is nearly impossible. Also the schools are open with nearly a million students coming and going every day. We were never going to reach summers low and it's been an absolute waste of time and money

It’s highly contagious to people who don’t follow the basic protection measures.

We are also told that schools are not the source of these outbreaks.

KrustyUCC

Eod100 wrote: »

Varadkar has been the one floating restrictions in January so there's implicit admission that could be spike in cases after Christmas.

NPHET already threatened the need for another level 5 before this one started

That does make sense if cases go up too much

However NPHET did get one thing right in their original level 5 letter on October 4th

Measures will only be effective if there is broad societal buy-in and adherence

They can kiss that good bye next time around imo

Richard Hillman

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1332041083451285505?s=19


All the numbers today suggest today's numbers were an anomaly. Tests down massively, around 1/3rd. Numbers up massively, again by about 1/3rd. Something ain't right.

pjohnson

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Yet blanket comments are made about the genuine posters who disagree with NPHETs advice.

Like the blanket comments that are made about the genuine posters who agree with restrictions/NPHET?

eagle eye

ACitizenErased wrote:

1000 per day by Christmas eve I swear some on here wear NPHET t-shirts. It’s alright lads, ye can disagree with Tony, he won’t hurt ya.

Go through the numbers and he's right

Ficheall

Ficheall wrote: »

Did you not say that level 3.5 had worked?

Well, at the time that I said that, I thought the goal was to stabilise cases / hospitalisations and try to live with Covid as per the plan.

But since Tony has returned, that 5 level plan appears to be scrapped. we seem to have regressed and now appear to be chasing 0 cases again.

And after spending the necessary billions to give him his wish, it has failed after 6 weeks.

bennyl10

MOR316 wrote: »

If the restaurants opened, what's stopping you from not going to them?

I'm confused here, genuinely!
Are you saying you're waiting for Government and NPHET to tell you what to do?

They're guidelines! You have a choice! It's up to you!

I would like people with a knowledge of public health to give advice on to best protect public health,
Yes.

I don’t see how that can be a wild take.

And following their advice, which if we’d done 2 weeks sooner, as advised, this wouldn’t even be an issue!

BeefeaterHat

Duke of Url wrote: »

It’s highly contagious to people who don’t follow the basic protection measures.

We are also told that schools are not the source of these outbreaks.

So what led to outbreaks in care homes and hospitals recently? Over 200 staff in Limerick hospital sick? It can't always be the public's fault.

eagle eye

Hulk Hands wrote:

Government's job has been done by NPHET there this evening. The leaking of plans was there to gauge public opinion. Well the outpouring of anger to this NPHET recommendation can leave the government in no doubt that opinion has swung firmly against NPHET and further strong lockdown.

No, the loudmouth alcoholics and spoilt little children in the bodies of adults are shouting loud but there many more than them that just want to be safe and not lose a loved one to this virus. Most people I'm talking to are planning to stay at home for Christmas. My sister is one of those spoilt little children in an adults body, she's going to my parents house regularly with her children from crèche and school.
The rest of my family intend to go to the house on Christmas day but stay outside and chat to my parents, myself included.

boggerman1

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't see any reason to lift restrictions in the current circumstances a part from loosening the family visits for Christmas day itself.

Open things up now and by Christmas eve we will be dealing with well in excess of 1,000 cases per day.

More people get the disease, more people will die.

The government should have a proper understanding that eaten bread is soon forgotten and the public won't be forgiving for a heath catastrophe in January.

They need to follow scientific advice and not the whims of cranks.

No one will care about a missed Christmas on December 27th. And the same people, failing to understand the gravity of the situation, for wholly selfish reasons will be the same ones shouting against the govt about the fallout afterward.

Don't make stupid decisions you'll regret.

Are u Sam mcdonkey or Tomás ryan

ACitizenErased

pjohnson wrote: »

Like the blanket comments that are made about the genuine posters who agree with restrictions/NPHET?

There are very little posters on here who provide genuine reasoning for agreeing with NPHET other than saying '10000000 cases per day if we don't' and how the hospitals will be doomed etc.
On the other hand, we have decreasing positivity rates, stable hospital figures, record low community referrals, record low average contacts yet NPHET decide to recommend basically level 4.5

BeefeaterHat

eagle eye wrote: »

No, the loudmouth alcoholics and spoilt little children in the bodies of adults are shouting loud but there many more than them that just want to be safe and not lose a loved one to this virus. Most people I'm talking to are planning to stay at home for Christmas. My sister is one of those spoilt little children in an adults body, she's going to my parents house regularly with her children from crèche and school.
The rest of my family intend to go to the house on Christmas day but stay outside and chat to my parents, myself included.

I'm sure Tony will visit you on Christmas to tell you you're the best boy in the class and give you a gold star.

pjohnson

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There are very little posters on here who provide genuine reasoning for agreeing with NPHET other than saying '10,000,000 cases per day if we don't' and how the hospitals will be doomed etc.
On the other hand, we have decreasing positivity rates, stable hospital figures, record low community referrals, record low average contacts yet NPHET decide to recommend basically level 4.5

Who said 10,000,000 cases a day then?

Seems like a generalisation. Kinda like the person calling Ireland a nation of alco's.....

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

No response from you as regards the link you requested input up again.
Nothing to say about that?

Did I miss your reply to my response?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Repost your link if you don't mind, as I am not sure if I have read that particular article, as I have read much presenting many varying views

boggerman1

lausp wrote: »

Tipp had a big football win at the weekend. Not sure about Kilkenny but the castle park is rammed every weekend and the council have tables out to encourage people to get takeaway food etc, have to think this is encouraging people to meet.

Nothing to do with the football win last Sunday.more bs from those who believe the hysteria.meat factory more likely in south tipp.but hey don’t let the truth hit u in the arse

MOR316

bennyl10 wrote: »

I would like people with a knowledge of public health to give advice on to best protect public health,
Yes.

I don’t see how that can be a wild take.

And following their advice, which if we’d done 2 weeks sooner, as advised, this wouldn’t even be an issue!

Yeah, no offence meant but, don't care what you do, as long as you're happy

ACitizenErased

pjohnson wrote: »

Who said 10,000,000 cases a day then?

Seems like a generalisation. Kinda like the person calling Ireland a nation of alco's.....

It's called sarcasm.

Mr the Frog pulled the 1000 cases per day by Christmas eve card when posting earlier.

eagle eye

boggerman1 wrote:

Are u Sam mcdonkey or Tomás ryan

That's how you see a post full of common sense?

ACitizenErased

eagle eye wrote: »

That's how you see a post full of an opinion of which everyone is entitled to

Fixed your post for you