Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

eagle eye

blade1 wrote:

He can see all these things with his eagle eyes!

Ha, nice one.

It's really easy to see all in Galway, a lot of the parking is at the front of the shops. You've got Curry's, Harvey Norman, Smyth's toys, McDonald's and a bunch of others on one side of the road and then right across the other side there's another shopping centre with Tesco, Supermacs and lots of other shops and most of the parking is in front in those two shopping centres.
Then not too far from there is the Westside and again a lot of the parking is in front.
I don't live there but know it very well.

Coillte_Bhoy

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

The shops are packed in Galway today.

My sister said she has just come from town and its depressingly quiet

eagle eye

h2005 wrote:

My sister was driving past Dunnes on her way home from work and said the same. I guess it's as they have a queueing system in place. Once it's done orderly I can't see any problems.

Yeah, need to control the numbers in the shops. So long as they do that things should be ok. I can't see that happening in the retail shops though. It's just going to get out of hand.

Always_Running

ACitizenErased wrote: »

353 positive swabs from 11217 tests, 3.1% positivity.
7 day rate of 2.7%

Slight rise which is somewhat disappointing. How does it compare with the last few Saturdays?

I see sheep

eagle eye wrote: »

Yeah, need to control the numbers in the shops. So long as they do that things should be ok. I can't see that happening in the retail shops though. It's just going to get out of hand.

Maybe people should be made eat a substantial sandwich while they shop?

wadacrack

ACitizenErased wrote: »

353 positive swabs from 11217 tests, 3.1% positivity.
7 day rate of 2.7%

Not good, R rate must be close to 1 atm. Pubs 0.3, hospitality 0.2 Other gatherings etc 0.2. We are looking at an R rate of 1.5-1.7 in the next few weeks. This is probably an optimistic projection

KrustyUCC

ACitizenErased wrote: »

353 positive swabs from 11217 tests, 3.1% positivity.
7 day rate of 2.7%

Not great

Could be close to 400 cases today I fear

dodzy

*Check in to have a peep.
Sees pro-lockdown lunatics are still at large.
Checks out as quick.

jackboy

Most of the scientists in Ireland are now clear that we are heading for a mess. We are opening up with much higher numbers than in the summer. The lockdown needed after may end up being much longer and stricter than the one we have just come out of.

There is pretty much consensus also that it will be at least six months before vaccines will make a significant impact towards reducing the need for restrictions.

FintanMcluskey

Irish Steve wrote: »

For sure there will be some big bills to be paid at the end of all of this, and the exact how that is done may not be pretty, but the one good thing (if there are any good things) to come out of Covid is that all countries are in the same loop, so hopefully there will be a different attitude to sorting out the consequences.

The irony of course is that the people at risk won’t be repaying the bill, which is about €3 million per hour since March and counting.

The ones paying the bill will be the youngsters sitting at home for the next few years forbidden from having social contact and having serious limitations imposed on their social development

ElJeffe

Drove by the Nutgrove shopping centre on the way back from work earlier. Huge queues to get in to the car parks so I'm guessing they've opened the shops early. I'm thinking 500 cases per day by mid December with over 2000 a day by the turn of the year if people continue on like this countrywide

ACitizenErased

ElJeffe wrote: »

Drove by the Nutgrove shopping centre on the way back from work earlier. Huge queues to get in to the car parks so I'm guessing they've opened the shops early. I'm thinking 500 cases per day by mid December with over 2000 a day by the turn of the year if people continue on like this countrywide

so NPHETs modelling is wrong? They're predicting 500 cases per day by January 1st earliest

ElJeffe

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

My sister said she has just come from town and its depressingly quiet

That's good to hear.

is_that_so

wadacrack wrote: »

Not good, R rate must be close to 1 atm. Pubs 0.3, hospitality 0.2 Other gatherings etc 0.2. We are looking at an R rate of 1.5-1.7 in the next few weeks. This is probably an optimistic projection

One day is not a trend.

is_that_so

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

My sister said she has just come from town and its depressingly quiet

Was in and out of Dublin today - pretty deserted and little to no traffic.

ElJeffe

ACitizenErased wrote: »

so NPHETs modelling is wrong? They're predicting 500 cases per day by January 1st earliest

I hope they are right. Of course they are the experts and I'm just another gob****e on an opinion forum but I don't like what I'm seeing out and about. Xmas rush will be like throwing petrol on the fire imo and it's a huge mistake thinking otherwise

is_that_so

jackboy wrote: »

Most of the scientists in Ireland are now clear that we are heading for a mess. We are opening up with much higher numbers than in the summer. The lockdown needed after may end up being much longer and stricter than the one we have just come out of.

There is pretty much consensus also that it will be at least six months before vaccines will make a significant impact towards reducing the need for restrictions.

Many scientists are convinced their own voices sound best of all and have recently added honorary degrees in spoofology to their long list of letters. Even NPHET is way off at times and they have the data. If it comes it won't be long as there will be even less compliance with it plus there will be some vaccines in the Spring.

is_that_so

eagle eye wrote: »

NPHET work off numbers, not off predicting people's behaviour. They have no idea what people are going to do over the next couple of weeks.
I think it won't be good. I think we'll be close to where we were in mid October by Christmas.

And yet they keep telling us people "were ahead of them". Consistent behaviour like that can be assigned a value, after all we know that negative behaviours do have assigned values.

ElJeffe

ElJeffe wrote: »

That's good to hear.

Some people are only content in the misery of others. For shame. Then I notice the join date on boards and realise their opinion is not worth a damn investing in.

eagle eye

is_that_so wrote:

And yet they keep telling us people "were ahead of them". Consistent behaviour like that can be assigned a value, after all we know that negative behaviours do have assigned values.

They have no history to go on as regards Christmas shopping.
They'll be in position to properly evaluate it in about two weeks time.

is_that_so

eagle eye wrote: »

They have no history to go on as regards Christmas shopping.
They'll be in position to properly evaluate it in about two weeks time.

There's plenty of data on it from retailers and it can be modelled. One major criticism of epidemiological modelling is that they do not take population responses into account properly, it's all about what the pathogen will do.

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

Was in and out of Dublin today - pretty deserted and little to no traffic.

The city centre shops aren’t open yet. It’s the big centres....the DIYs and homestores and electrical outlets that are open. Dublin will pick up from Wednesday I have no doubt....Grafton and Henry Streets will be jammed next weekend

prunudo

As we approach thread no XXIX, this must be one of the longer durations, 26 days. What has been the quickest from start to end?

Renjit

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The irony of course is that the people at risk won’t be repaying the bill, which is about €3 million per hour since March and counting.

The ones paying the bill will be the youngsters sitting at home for the next few years forbidden from having social contact and having serious limitations imposed on their social development

The same people at risk paid for earlier generation too. Let's not forget that. The challenges for each generation is there.

is_that_so

prunudo wrote: »

As we approach thread no XXIX, this must be one of the longer durations, 26 days. What has been the quickest from start to end?

One of the middle ones between 12-16 I think - about 50 hours!

froog

i think the downward trend is over now and will probably start rising again. too many people not giving an f anymore. january will be grim. another level 5 will be needed almost certainly.

prunudo

prunudo wrote: »

As we approach thread no XXIX, this must be one of the longer durations, 26 days. What has been the quickest from start to end?

Wait until the Jan/Feb lockdown. Which I’m guessing will be a real proper one. Boards.ie will break the internet

Renjit

Deleted User wrote: »

Wait until the Jan/Feb lockdown. Which I’m guessing will be a real proper one. Boards.ie will break the internet

Let the people have some fun

Hooter23

zinfandel wrote: »

so by your account my 48 year old husband with type 1 diabetes which he has had since he was a child, his life does not matter, he could easily live till 80 as his mother did who also had type 1 diabetes.
If he contracts covid and dies, sure he had an underlying condition, so his life does not count or matter.
Don't think you realise what % of people in Ireland have some condition that puts them at risk if they get covid.

The lockdown is causing more harm than good...the amount of damage the lockdown is doing to peoples lives and health is far worse than any virus...and the amount of deaths caused by the lockdown is ignored and not reported...so did their lives not count or matter?

ACitizenErased

People said December would be grim too with the flu yet here we are

MerlinSouthDub

froog wrote: »

i think the downward trend is over now and will probably start rising again. too many people not giving an f anymore. january will be grim. another level 5 will be needed almost certainly.

Level 5 made pretty much no difference to the Reproductive rate. There is no reason we will ever go back to level 5. Level 3 does the job, we may indeed need to close eateries again in January.

Cluedo Monopoly

lukas8888 wrote: »

Any every time posters continue to tell us the same thing,shops are packed,streets are heaving,car parks are full,do they not realise that they are part of it all.But of course the posters trips are absolutely essential.

No, I was doing a bit of Christmas shopping. I wasn't in all the shops, I don't like queuing

prunudo

is_that_so wrote: »

One of the middle ones between 12-16 I think - about 50 hours!

Jesus, thats crazy.

froog

ACitizenErased wrote: »

People said December would be grim too with the flu yet here we are

it was heading that way. that's why we're just finishing up a six week level 5.

prunudo

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Level 5 made pretty much no difference to the Reproductive rate. There is no reason we will ever go back to level 5. Level 3 does the job, we may indeed need to close eateries again in January.

Level 5 in its current guise didn't make the difference but if we closed schools, construction and manufacturing and it would have a greater impact. But then you have the economic trade off and businesses and livelihoods would be destroyed.
Whatever about closing hospitality in October, the closing of 'non essential retail' has been a big mistake.

eagle eye

froog wrote:

it was heading that way. that's why we're just finishing up a six week level 5.

What chance has the flu in a lockdown and with everybody wearing masks, washing their hands and maintaining social distance?
I'd be of the opinion that only the idiots will get it and unfortunate people that happen to be close to them.

KrustyUCC

The government would only close schools as a final final resort imo

BringBackMick

Tbh people will readily accept a 4 week lockdown from 6 January if can have a reasonable Christmas

KrustyUCC

NPHET were on about 3 weeks but yeah 4 wouldn't be that bad if it was capped at 4 weeks

prunudo

BringBackMick wrote: »

Tbh people will readily accept a 4 week lockdown from 6 January if can have a reasonable Christmas

At what level though? I think people might accept some level of restrictions but not another level 5.

KrustyUCC

NPHET would only recommend 5 imo as they won't bother with 4 when you can travel within your own county

froog

eagle eye wrote: »

What chance has the flu in a lockdown and with everybody wearing masks, washing their hands and maintaining social distance?
I'd be of the opinion that only the idiots will get it and unfortunate people that happen to be close to them.

i agree about the flu. what i was saying is we were headed for a grim december before level 5 with or without it.

is_that_so

froog wrote: »

i agree about the flu. what i was saying is we were headed for a grim december before level 5 with or without it.

It is a positive to see that the predicted twin threat has not happened.

wadacrack

Shocked at the restrictions regarding playing competitive sport . We know the risk is very low with it being outdoors and no prolonged contact

Professor Moriarty

wadacrack wrote: »

Shocked at the restrictions regarding playing competitive sport . We know the risk is very low with it being outdoors and no prolonged contact

Rucks and scrums.

Widdensushi

wadacrack wrote: »

Shocked at the restrictions regarding playing competitive sport . We know the risk is very low with it being outdoors and no prolonged contact

I think the GAA burnt that bridge

stephenjmcd

ElJeffe wrote: »

Drove by the Nutgrove shopping centre on the way back from work earlier. Huge queues to get in to the car parks so I'm guessing they've opened the shops early. I'm thinking 500 cases per day by mid December with over 2000 a day by the turn of the year if people continue on like this countrywide

You know people are doing click and collect yeah ? Most have always been open for it. Dundrum for example has had plenty of people in and out, 30 mins free parking to pick up your stuff.

No shops are open yet for people to just walk in

An Ciarraioch

is_that_so wrote: »

It is a positive to see that the predicted twin threat has not happened.

Not to mention that one million have already got the flu vaccine this winter.

I see sheep

BringBackMick wrote: »

Tbh people will readily accept a 4 week lockdown from 6 January if can have a reasonable Christmas

Yes, especially when the alternative was to keep locked down with no end.

D.Q

BringBackMick wrote: »

Tbh people will readily accept a 4 week lockdown from 6 January if can have a reasonable Christmas

I lock down every January voluntarily.