Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Arghus

niallo27 wrote: »

There is not much difference between level 3 and 5 in fairness. Germany strictest lockdown which has been extended despite huge pressure against is our level 3. Level 3 is a permanent lockdown, we can't even leave our counties. Where in level 3 is there any social activities allowed unless your in the freezing cold.

There's a huge difference between level 5 and level 3. Most retail stores being open is a big difference.

I know on paper at level 3 you aren't supposed to leave the county but we all know there's practically zero enforcement on that.

normanoffside

It’s a lot more dangerous to be in a hospital or a nursing home than it is to be in a pub or restaurant. That much is clear.

speckle

Great for the city gastro pubs but a disaster for the local non gastro pubs in the countryside. Yet again a rural city divide. I hope they are taken to court... see no reason why non gastro pubs cannot open outside.. didnt see cases arise from there.

MOR316

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Are you ****ing kidding me? I’m sick to death of this. It’s been 6 bloody weeks. I’m not planning a house party. I’ll keep the bloody windows open but another nearly three weeks of no one in the house? Argh!!!!

That's why no one is coming to your house! You're letting all the heat out with all those windows open

niallo27

Arghus wrote: »

There's a huge difference between level 5 and level 3. Most retail stores being open is a big difference.

I know on paper at level 3 you aren't supposed to leave the county but we all know there's practically zero enforcement on that.

In terms of social activities though, where is the difference. People need to live a little, its no good just saying they should do the right thing and why can't they hold on another 6 months to a year, they need to get people back in side.

Plumbthedepths

Hulk Hands wrote: »

I still can't get over the stupidity of the argument "stay in lockdown now so we can avoid a lockdown later"

Comical , isn't it?

mirrorwall14

MOR316 wrote: »

That's why no one is coming to your house! You're letting all the heat out with all those windows open

This actually made me laugh. Kudos.

I’m so frustrated. I don’t want to go to a restaurant. I’ll keep supporting them with takeaway. I just want to be able to have one or two people to my house for a cup of coffee somewhere that is peaceful and it isn’t fecking raining

Polar101

emo72 wrote: »

The gas thing is after we clear covid, there's no guarantee another ****ing virus won't pop up.

Just like buses......

It's likely to happen at some point in the future, but hopefully not any time soon. But maybe (western) governments will have figured out what to do and what not to do by then. And if it's a similar virus, there's a decent chance modifying vaccines to stop it will be a lot easier.

speckle

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

This actually made me laugh. Kudos.

I’m so frustrated. I don’t want to go to a restaurant. I’ll keep supporting them with takeaway. I just want to be able to have one or two people to my house for a cup of coffee somewhere that is peaceful and it isn’t fecking raining

I know the feeling...the 550km sq around my house should have been level 1 for all of this and I still cannot go to my local for tea and cake with friends for 2 euro over the season yet we had 1000s of tourists here this summer.

cameramonkey

emo72 wrote: »

The gas thing is after we clear covid, there's no guarantee another ****ing virus won't pop up.

Just like buses......

Are you George Lee?

niallo27

niallo27 wrote: »

In terms of social activities though, where is the difference. People need to live a little, its no good just saying they should do the right thing and why can't they hold on another 6 months to a year, they need to get people back in side.

Probably some kind of hybrid between 2 and 3 would be a reasonable solution.

I’ve been anti restrictions but I don’t agree with a go mental and then lockdown approach.

And i definitely don’t agree with remain locked down to avoid... lockdown...

There has to be some sort of workable middle ground.

Arghus

niallo27 wrote: »

In terms of social activities though, where is the difference. People need to live a little, its no good just saying they should do the right thing and why can't they hold on another 6 months to a year, they need to get people back in side.

I don't know how ensuring that there's going to be another spike in cases is going to help to get people on side to be honest.

I know there's the argument that people may need the few weeks of relative freedom to relieve the pressure, but, ultimately I don't see how it won't be counterproductive in the end if we go back again into sharply rising cases - and I'm afraid I see no other likely outcome from what we're currently doing.

Arghus

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Comical , isn't it?

It is comical, but that isn't the argument people are making.

bikeman1

speckle wrote: »

Great for the city gastro pubs but a disaster for the local non gastro pubs in the countryside. Yet again a rural city divide. I hope they are taken to court... see no reason why non gastro pubs cannot open outside.. didnt see cases arise from there.

There are plenty of non food pubs right across the towns and cities which would love to be open too. I prefer drinking in them as you don’t have food smells and children in them and it is a far nicer experience IMO.

mirrorwall14

Anything on sport? Gymnastics was allowed in level 3 but not level 5. My five year old won’t do the zoom classes anymore he wants to be back at the gym even with the full social distancing. Cant blame him either

niallo27

Arghus wrote: »

It is comical, but that isn't the argument people are making.

It is though, you want to stay in level 3 lockdown which is one of the harshest lockdowns in Europe to prevent us from needing to go into an even harsher lockdown.

niallo27

Arghus wrote: »

I don't know how ensuring that there's going to be another spike in cases is going to help to get people on side to be honest.

I know there's the argument that people may need the few weeks of relative freedom to relieve the pressure, but, ultimately I don't see how it won't be counterproductive in the end if we go back again into sharply rising cases - and I'm afraid I see no other likely outcome from what we're currently doing.

There is always going be a spike in cases, but the vast majority of cases mean nothing. Do you not understand people actually need to live a little, need something to hope for. Whats in it for the younger generation if you want to give all social activities stopped for another 6 months to a year. Why would they bother stopping house parties and drinking on streets, we are going be in lockdown no matter what we do.

Arghus

niallo27 wrote: »

It is though, you want to stay in level 3 lockdown which is one of the harshest lockdowns in Europe to prevent us from needing to go into an even harsher lockdown.

Do you accept that there's a difference between the stringency of restrictions at level 3 rather than level 5?

Plumbthedepths

Arghus wrote: »

It is comical, but that isn't the argument people are making.

Continuing harsh restrictions during the most social time of year is a recipe for disaster in my opinion. It would be far better to try and allow controlled environments as an outlet for natural instinct to socialise to occur. What has gone on since March is unnatural but required to a degree. Six weeks was asked of the populace, this 4 weeks nonsense was never a runner, likewise the ridiculous figures Nphet hoped to achieve. 50 to 100 cases with a RO of .5. I said 6 weeks ago it was rubbish, set up to fail.
Trying to continue a slightly less harsh form of the restrictions we have had for the last 6 weeks into the new year is beyond stupid.

blowitupref

HSE update

In hospital 246 (decrease of 7)

In ICU 36.(no change from last night but sadly 3 had died in the last 24 hours)

niallo27

Arghus wrote: »

Do you accept that there's a difference between the stringency of restrictions at level 3 rather than level 5?

Of course yes, do you accept there is still no social outlet for people in level 3.

Richard Hillman

There's a reason why Tony Holohan has been in the same job for 12 years, he's useless and not respected. He would have strolled into a EU or WHO job if he was any use. You would bet anything that he did too.

KrustyUCC

blowitupref wrote: »

HSE update

In hospital 246 (decrease of 7)

In ICU 36.(no change from last night but sadly 3 had died in the last 24 hours)

That's sad new

RIP to them

The HorsesMouth

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

This actually made me laugh. Kudos.

I’m so frustrated. I don’t want to go to a restaurant. I’ll keep supporting them with takeaway. I just want to be able to have one or two people to my house for a cup of coffee somewhere that is peaceful and it isn’t fecking raining

Maybe I will get slated for this...but the willingness of people to follow whatever rules are put out for them to the letter amazes me.

Just have the people over...Why are you waiting for them to tell you its OK?!!! December 4th..December 24th...it's gonna be the exact same risk...the government can't tell you it's gonna be ok or not ok.

KrustyUCC

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1332103618296766464

That should be positive news for the future

More voices listened to not just NPHET

KrustyUCC

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1332099188826525696

That seems reasonable

Will be interesting to see the new rules for restaurants

didyoufart?

Is their in anything place for nursing home staff for constant testing like professional sports athletes?

If we could fix the problem with nursing homes that would be a big step to opening back up the ecconomy somewhat with social distancing in place.

eagle eye

Plumbthedepths wrote:

Continuing harsh restrictions during the most social time of year is a recipe for disaster in my opinion. It would be far better to try and allow controlled environments as an outlet for natural instinct to socialise to occur. What has gone on since March is unnatural but required to a degree. Six weeks was asked of the populace, this 4 weeks nonsense was never a runner, likewise the ridiculous figures Nphet hoped to achieve. 50 to 100 cases with a RO of .5. I said 6 weeks ago it was rubbish, set up to fail. Trying to continue a slightly less harsh form of the restrictions we have had for the last 6 weeks into the new year is beyond stupid.

This is late November, it's not the most social time of the year. You could argue that two weeks before Christmas is where it begins but for me it's the couple of days before and the week and a bit after that are the most social time of the year.
I'd like us not to be in lockdown then. There's every chance that ending this lockdown now means we are in bad shape at Christmas. If we waited until two weeks before Christmas we would be alright until the New Year.
I'd like a good time at Christmas with no worries about high numbers and the potential of hospitals being overrun.
Do you not think that should be our target?

Arghus

niallo27 wrote: »

Of course yes, do you accept there is still no social outlet for people in level 3.

Yes, they are severely curtailed, but the way I would look at it is this: there's no point pretending that we're going to avoid another trip back into harsher restrictions again. We have too many cases right now, as it is, it's just a matter of time before they take off again and everything involved with Christmas is just going to be fuel to that fire.

I understand all the reasons people have for wanting to get out of where we are now: people are tired, fatigued, they want to live, businesses want to operate - but we're being given a false choice here. I understand people want to exit level five for all sorts of human, legitimate reasons - it is gruelling and hard, I've lived through it too - but we are, in my view, simply moving far too early.

I think it's absolutely crazy to move out from level 5 before we've at least got to a stage of between 50-100 cases and what we are doing now is sowing the seeds for more disruption, another harsh lockdown and further closures once again. I know, I know - Christmas etc: but we all have to still get on with life beyond Christmas. We're going to be giving ourselves a taste of freedom - but it's not sustainable, we're shooting ourselves in the foot.

speckle

bikeman1 wrote: »

There are plenty of non food pubs right across the towns and cities which would love to be open too. I prefer drinking in them as you don’t have food smells and children in them and it is a far nicer experience IMO.

Agreed the pace can be slower/relaxed and you can hear conversations better or a bit of good music or get a lift home from a non drinker or somebody working behind the bar.

The biggest difference is a lack of public transport down the country to even get to a gastro pub... you can nearly always walk to your local. If I want to meet up with friends 70euros for a taxi home.

I think I will bring a tent, a guitar and kelly kettle for a hot toddie and camp as long as thats not banned yet!