Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Plumbthedepths

So the Minks are going to get us? Might as well open the pubs and go out singing.

caveat emptor

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Impaired could be anything from minor difference to a 'larger' minor difference. The main thing to note is that there isn't 'no susceptibility' to antibodies, just reduced.
Likewise, the media shouldn't be hyping it up.

Eh it wasn't the media. It was the Danish health ministry. It could be a source of a large source of infection from the mink farms in the general danish population not necessarily the mutation. We need more info before anyone can say it's nothing to worry about.

https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1324419207891689477?s=20

ACitizenErased

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Impaired could be anything from minor difference to a 'larger' minor difference. The main thing to note is that there isn't 'no susceptibility' to antibodies, just reduced.
Likewise, the media shouldn't be hyping it up.

I haven't seen any media hype, all the reporting has been responsible. It appears to be a mutation that may impact vaccine development. That's what the Denmark serum institute have said and what is being reported.

The media cant really report "this has happened but there's probably nothing to see here!".

Spanish Eyes

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It borders one of the most infected regions in Europe.

Well that's true but so do Leitrim, Monaghan, Cavan and Louth.

podgeandrodge

Might have missed it, but can someone tell me in relation to the EU Traffic Light System, does this only apply to EU countries risk levels, or travel from countries like USA?

I presume you can't have people coming from USA without any issue, but EU countries depending on measurement?

Arghus

caveat emptor wrote: »

I'd have to agree with you Odyssey. So there were mutations observed in mink in NL and ES but the mutation in Denmark contains four simultaneous changes to the spike.

This in short is different and likely explains the Danish response. Nothing confirmed yet but certainly not no problem.



https://twitter.com/ProfJLundgren/status/1324361001869971457?s=20
https://twitter.com/firefoxx66/status/1324368926298509316?s=20

That guy's tweets featured on this thread a few days ago. Like yourself, I was a bit intrigued by what he was saying, but I didn't want to be too sure: it was, after all, the claims of some randomer on twitter.

Handily some knowledgeable posters here pointed out that it was only a proposal that was never implemented and your man was talking out of his hat.

Further reading of his page revealed to me plenty of David Quinn retweets and vaguely anti-vax pseudoscience. So yeah, he's a crank, but one that can easily take people in.

The bottom line is always check who it is that's making claims and check those claims.

Jim_Hodge

Deleted User wrote: »

I haven't seen any media hype, all the reporting has been responsible. It appears to be a mutation that may impact vaccine development. That's what the Denmark serum institute have said and what is being reported.

The media cant really report "this has happened but there's probably nothing to see here!".

I'd go further and say the mainstream media have hardly mentioned it at all. It was a small piece well down the list with a couple of outlets. Social Media seems to be the place for the hype.

Cork2021

Has there been any flu cases recorded yet??

Jim_Hodge

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I'd go further and say the mainstream media have hardly mentioned it at all. It was a small piece well down the list with a couple of outlets. Social Media seems to be the place for the hype.

Some people just like to attack media when they report something they don't like or agree with, toxic environment for responsible journalists unfortunately.

caveat emptor

Much more detail in this guardian article. Not exactly nothing to see. We might have to cull badgers like with TB.

A Danish vaccine specialist has warned that a new wave of coronavirus could be started by the Covid-19 mink variant.

“The worst-case scenario is that we would start off a new pandemic in Denmark. There’s a risk that this mutated virus is so different from the others that we’d have to put new things in a vaccine and therefore [the mutation] would slam us all in the whole world back to the start,” said Prof Kåre Mølbak, vaccine expert and director of infectious diseases at Denmark’s State Serum Institute (SSI).

He added, however, that the world was in a better place than when the Covid-19 outbreak began.“We know the virus, have measures in place including testing and infection control, and the outbreak will be contained, to the best of our knowledge.”


Announcing the cull, the country’s prime minister, Mette Frederiksen, said 12 people were already infected with the mutated virus and mink are now considered a public health risk, based on advice from the SSI.

Prof Allan Randrup Thomsen, a virologist at the University of Copenhagen, went further, telling the Guardian on Thursday that while Denmarkwas not “on the verge of being the next Wuhan” there were risks.

“This variant can develop further, so that it becomes completely resistant, and then a vaccine does not matter. Therefore, we need to take [the mutation] out of the equation. So it’s serious.”

Van der Poel is currently looking at the effect of Covid-19 spreading to mustelids, a family of carnivorous mammals including weasels, badgers, otters, ferrets, martens and wolverines, among others. “ If that happened, then you have a reservoir in our local wildlife, and we could get reinfected before we even get a good quality vaccine.”

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1324412610922614784?s=20

Non solum non ambulabit

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Well that's true but so do Leitrim, Monaghan, Cavan and Louth.

Parts of Donegal is effectively a suburb of Derry. The other counties in the border don't have populations like that.

Seamai

Going off on a bit of a tangent here but I'm surprised that mink farming is such a big thing in Denmark, I'd have thought they were much more progressive but then again I suppose they've been farming pigs on an industrial level for decades. Even the Poles are phasing out mink farming there after some film showed them cannibalising each other.

IrishStuff09

Cork2021 wrote: »

Has there been any flu cases recorded yet??

Not yet based on the last HPSC Surveillance report

There was no evidence of influenza viruses circulating in the community in Ireland during week 44 2020 (week ending 01/11/2020) or during weeks 40-44 2020. Limited influenza testing at this time should be considered when interpreting these data. Rhinovirus and enterovirus detections continue to be detected during September and October 2020.

Jim_Hodge

caveat emptor wrote: »

Much more detail in this guardian article. Not exactly nothing to see. We might have to cull badgers like with TB.

Ain't going to happen. It would mean exterminating every otter, Badger, pine marten, stoat, weasel, polecat and all other Mustelids.

TonyMaloney

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Ain't going to happen. It would mean exterminating every otter, Badger, pine marten, stoat, weasel, polecat and all other Mustelids.

That flowed out of you suspiciously quickly.

I think we might have a mink here, folks.

caveat emptor

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Ain't going to happen. It would mean exterminating every otter, Badger, pine marten, stoat, weasel, polecat and all other Mustelids.

Yeah if it stays in minks and humans I'd agree. If it get's into cattle though who knows. They take stronger measures to protect that herd. Don't mention the border and foot and mouth :pac:

Jim_Hodge

TonyMaloney wrote: »

That flowed out of you suspiciously quickly.

I think we might have a mink here, folks.

Sorry, that went right over my head. No idea what it means,

Seamai

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Sorry, that went right over my head. No idea what it means,

That you're small, furry and cute but vicious.

what the hell!

Turn on the news quick- George Lee is smiling! He’s in flying form. He mustn’t have heard about the mink yet.

Seamai

what the hell! wrote: »

Turn on the news quick- George Lee is smiling! He’s in flying form. He mustn’t have heard about the mink yet.

He's obviously running a fever and delirious.

Jim_Hodge

Seamai wrote: »

That you're small, furry and cute but vicious.

Nah! Still doesn't work.

Polar101

what the hell! wrote: »

Turn on the news quick- George Lee is smiling! He’s in flying form. He mustn’t have heard about the mink yet.

The R rate euphoria is still carrying him.

poppers

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Well that's true but so do Leitrim, Monaghan, Cavan and Louth.

Again Donegal the forgotten county :D:D

dmakc

How quick is the result from a test these days?

What Username Guidelines

Haven’t been following the numbers in a while, is this icu starting to dip? I know it had been stable for a while.

https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1324469568593690625?s=21

appledrop

Is this Minister for Health actually for real?

Keeps mistaking Sep for Dec + other way around!

Also keeps referring to 6 week period when we are already 2 weeks in!

MelbourneMan

Hego Damask wrote: »

This won't last for 6 weeks, they will keep extending this indefinitely, I imagine until summer 2021 at the earliest, and even then it will just be some restrictions relaxed..

Hello. Indications are strong that 6 weeks of this level will indeed be most effective in transmission supression. A movement to Level 3 will suffice for the longer term, yes, until summer 2021 at the earliest quite possible, but that is very difficult to precise at the moment.

giveitholly

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. Indications are strong that 6 weeks of this level will indeed be most effective in transmission supression. A movement to Level 3 will suffice for the longer term, yes, until summer 2021 at the earliest quite possible, but that is very difficult to precise at the moment.

Hello. So restaurants and pubs will be closed until next summer? And don't tell me that they can open for outside trade because that won't work

appledrop

Hego Damask wrote: »

This won't last for 6 weeks, they will keep extending this indefinitely, I imagine until summer 2021 at the earliest, and even then it will just be some restrictions relaxed..

I mean in terms of Level 5. Oh I know what you mean sure we will be 10 weeks with restaurants etc closed in Dublin by 2nd Dec.

There is no way whatsoever though that people in Ireland will put up with Level 4 or 5 continuing in Dec. Even Level 3 will cause problems if they try it because people have to travel outside there county to see family members for Christmas.

Christmas is a hugely emotional event for people especially in Ireland.

All the focus on Covid deaths but what about people that might be having their last Christmas due to other illness?

GazzaL

giveitholly wrote: »

Hello. So restaurants and pubs will be closed until next summer? And don't tell me that they can open for outside trade because that won't work

The lives of people who work in the hospitality industry are worthless according to NPHET, just like the lives of people with long-term illnesses who can't receive therapies and treatments.