US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

Brian?

peteeeed wrote: »

cnn saying 500,000 postal votes left to count

I can only see one winner in Pennsylvania so.

peteeeed

Brian? wrote: »

I can only see one winner in Pennsylvania so.

CNN hinting without saying the same thing

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

bennyl10 wrote: »

Yes but there is debate on if that as premature|(even if it looks very likely now)

If he gets Georgia is he as practically knocking on the door

Arizona is essentially irrelevant at this point though with the way things are going in PA.

Trump can take back Arizona, he can hold on to Georgia and North Carolina, and he can take back Nevada too, but unless he takes Pennsylvania (which looks highly unlikely) he still won't win.

Itssoeasy

So it looks like it’ll be a couple of hours at least until there’s any calls. That call by Fox News and the AP of Arizona to Biden early doors leaves him on 264 and if Arizona goes to Biden which is six electoral votes Fox News and other networks will be out of step with each other and Fox News could have Biden as president elect and the others won’t because they haven’t called Arizona. Just from reading tweets this morning and seeing videos, the trump base and Fox News love affair is if not over, it’s on the rocks.

Strumms

It’s so weird and fûcked up, to be waking up, to read a headline, about an election in the supposed greatest democracy on earth..

“Donald Trump supporters - some armed with rifles and handguns - have descended on election counting centres where mail-in ballots continue to be tallied up.”

I mean what the actual fûck ?

https://news.sky.com/story/us-election-2020-trump-supporters-some-armed-with-rifles-gather-outside-vote-counting-centres-for-protests-12124244

droidus

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So it looks like it’ll be a couple of hours at least until there’s any calls. That call by Fox News and the AP of Arizona to Biden early doors leaves him on 264 and if Arizona goes to Biden which is six electoral votes Fox News and other networks will be out of step with each other and Fox News could have Biden as president elect and the others won’t because they haven’t called Arizona. Just from reading tweets this morning and seeing videos, the trump base and Fox News love affair is if not over, it’s on the rocks.

If I was a US Trump supporter I imagine the betrayal of Fox and Mitch McConnell might be more of a concern/outrage than whatever lib-media-big-tech-ballot-fraud narrative is being spun by the right wing loons. Looks like the conservative establishment has turned its back on Trump.

peteeeed

Strumms wrote: »

It’s so weird and fûcked up, to be waking up, to read a headline, about an election in the supposed greatest democracy on earth..

“Donald Trump supporters - some armed with rifles and handguns - have descended on election counting centres where mail-in ballots continue to be tallied up.”

I mean what the actual fûck ?

https://news.sky.com/story/us-election-2020-trump-supporters-some-armed-with-rifles-gather-outside-vote-counting-centres-for-protests-12124244

you would think this is an act of war on democracy and the president of the united states of America would dispatch the army

Retr0gamer

droidus wrote: »

If I was a US Trump supporter I imagine the betrayal of Fox and Mitch McConnell might be more of a concern/outrage than whatever lib-media-big-tech-ballot-fraud narrative is being spun by the right wing loons. Looks like the conservative establishment has turned its back on Trump.

Politics is ruthless. A useful idiot is only an idiot once they have out lived their usefulness.

duploelabs

peteeeed wrote: »

you would think this is an act of war on democracy and the president of the united states of America would dispatch the army

Except there's always a tweet

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1251169217531056130?s=19

thebaz

Brian? wrote: »

I can only see one winner in Pennsylvania so.

Go on Philly

bennyl10

Georgia due by 5pm seemingly

Strumms

peteeeed wrote: »

you would think this is an act of war on democracy and the president of the united states of America would dispatch the army

This is nutsville. World is ....

duploelabs

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Politics is ruthless. A useful idiot is only an idiot once they have out lived their usefulness.

Exactly why trump won't be on a plane to Russia at the earliest opportunity

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Politics is ruthless. A useful idiot is only an idiot once they have out lived their usefulness.

As optimistic as it is to think that Trump has outlived his usefulness he still unfortunately has a large, militant following and won't go away even if he loses this election.

josip

Following Georgia and to a lesser extent, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania over the past day or so, has been like following a run chase in cricket.

You know the required run rate, how many overs are left and whether the actual run rate (% break to Biden each announcement) is enough.

Brussels Sprout

We've often heard about Ohio being the ultimate bellweather state. It had chosen the overall winner in each election all the way back to 1960 (when it went with Nixon over JFK). Well assuming that Trump does indeed lose then that long streak has finally been broken.

I was looking to see what the new longest streak would be. Turns out it isn't really that long.

Michigan, Wisconsin* and Pennsylvania* will have chosen the overall winner in each the last 4 elections - all 3 of them chose John Kerry in 2004.


*assuming Biden actually wins the state in the end

Penn

josip wrote: »

Following Georgia and to a lesser extent, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania over the past day or so, has been like following a run chase in cricket.

You know the required run rate, how many overs are left and whether the actual run rate (% break to Biden each announcement) is enough.

If nothing else, watching CNN's stream has greatly enhanced my geographical knowledge of America.

Though it is fairly limited to the 8 states they keep showing

Penn

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

We've often heard about Ohio being the ultimate bellweather state. It had chosen the overall winner in each election all the way back to 1960 (when it went with Nixon over JFK). Well assuming that Trump does indeed lose then that long streak has finally been broken.

I was looking to see what the new longest streak would be. Turns out it isn't really that long.

Michigan, Wisconsin* and Pennsylvania* will have chosen the overall winner in each the last 4 elections - all 3 of them chose John Kerry in 2004.


*assuming Biden actually wins the state in the end

As someone on Twitter said, this election won't end with a bang, but with a WI/MI/PA

is_that_so

Comment on Biden on CNN that this is just the right time for him to be a Presidential candidate and that he has the ideal skill set for a post-Trump landscape. The question is, what could he, as President, get done in the face of a probable Rep Senate.

pixelburp

Looking at the figures, Trump apparently increased his votes overall, while his share among whites; so if Biden is truly going for reconciliation it'll take a lot of work. Trumpism seems to be something that won't disappear overnight - especially if the man himself continues to badger from the sidelines. The cult has asserted itself and even if the transfer of power goes smoothly (it won't), the stain will linger. The midterms will be interesting, insofar as seeing what GOP members adopt Trumpist approaches.

Carfacemandog

Strumms wrote: »

It’s so weird and fûcked up, to be waking up, to read a headline, about an election in the supposed greatest democracy on earth..

“Donald Trump supporters - some armed with rifles and handguns - have descended on election counting centres where mail-in ballots continue to be tallied up.”

I mean what the actual fûck ?

https://news.sky.com/story/us-election-2020-trump-supporters-some-armed-with-rifles-gather-outside-vote-counting-centres-for-protests-12124244

Some of us have been saying that would be the case literally for years now, only to be shouted down by people claiming it was overreacting and all will be fine.

I hope they were right, but it's looking less and less like it as time goes by.

Itssoeasy

is_that_so wrote: »

Comment on Biden on CNN that this is just the right time for him to be a Presidential candidate and that he has the ideal skill set for a post-Trump landscape. The question is, what could he, as President, get done in the face of a probable Rep Senate.

Well if both Georgia senate seats go to a runoff in January then hold on to your hats as they say. It’ll be like the six nations where one country knows what they have to do to win.

Inquitus

josip wrote: »

Following Georgia and to a lesser extent, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania over the past day or so, has been like following a run chase in cricket.

You know the required run rate, how many overs are left and whether the actual run rate (% break to Biden each announcement) is enough.

If it breaks this way, which is looking less likely now, but still possible we can end up at 269-269

Biden - GA
Trump - AZ, NV, PA

Brian?

Strumms wrote: »

It’s so weird and fûcked up, to be waking up, to read a headline, about an election in the supposed greatest democracy on earth..

“Donald Trump supporters - some armed with rifles and handguns - have descended on election counting centres where mail-in ballots continue to be tallied up.”

I mean what the actual fûck ?

https://news.sky.com/story/us-election-2020-trump-supporters-some-armed-with-rifles-gather-outside-vote-counting-centres-for-protests-12124244

Honestly, people need to calm down about the guns. These guys are armed every day. They didn't take the gun out of storage to go protesting.

Most of the long rifles are 22 calibre semi autos. If things kick off they haven't a hope against the police or National Guard. They know that.

peteeeed

Democratic senator bob casey on CNN now very funny and seems in no doubt its a win for biden in PN

Inquitus

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well if both Georgia senate seats go to a runoff in January then hold on to your hats as they say. It’ll be like the six nations where one country knows what they have to do to win.

Aye it will be an interesting Dynamic, it actually looks like Trump has really got out his vote well, and dragged up down ticket people with turnout, one would assume in a run off the GOP vote will be a lot softer, hopefully the Dem voters remember how important those reruns are to Biden and his ability to shape the country.

Movementarian

Am I alone in still having a nervous feeling that Trump will still somehow squeak this by winning Arizona, Georgia and Pensylvania?....

Just can't shake it...really hope not...

Jo jo the eskimo

It'll be bittersweet cos most opposed to trump all they really want is to live in a prosperous nation.
Some will knock a few hours outta " suck it up you lost" stuff, before they realize how childish they're being.
It looks like democracy has just about managed to hold on.

Brian?

peteeeed wrote: »

you would think this is an act of war on democracy and the president of the united states of America would dispatch the army

He can't deploy the army in the US. The state governors are deploying the national guard in some cases though.

peteeeed

Brian? wrote: »

He can't deploy the army in the US. The state governors are deploying the national guard in some cases though.

yeah i meant you would think the POTUS would be the one protecting it not causing the chaos