US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

Brian?

Canice Picklington wrote: »

Fascism requires a very specific sort of demagogue, which can vary based on the cultural circumstances of where it happens. Trump is a truly gifted demagogue ideally suited to exploiting the white American psyche. His evil "gift" was that to many people he made the deeply threatening and the evil appear almost comical and endearing. He used high camp, and I mean high camp in the over the top, performative sense. There was an almost sexual aspect to his demagoguery too, where deeply unhappy people got to live out a fever dream where their anger at what they see as their own inadequacy was channeled through a seemingly omnipotent, infallible, supernatural leader.

Despite probably never laughing in the real sense in his life, he has elements of a stand up comedian in his public speaking manner.

Creating all this requires a total confidence in your shamelessness. It requires the creation of a dystopian fantasy world of make believe, and the creation of eternal victimhood as the immediate go to outlet when reality intrudes on this fantasy - which is all the time.

If you look at the sort of demagogues who predominate within the English speaking world, most have this high camp, almost comedy element to them - Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, Ian Paisley, in this country the Healy Raes. It also applies to media demagogues, think of Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, Katie Hopkins.

The likes of say, Tom Cotton, could not do what Trump does. Because they immediately come across as deeply threatening, with no comedy or fake endearment factor to suck the masses in. And he has no entertainment factor whatsoever.

In the English speaking world, fascism has used dumb entertainment as its avenue to power.

Completely agree. For a long time I’ve felt Trump isn’t a fascist. But the people around him and using him lean that way.

VinLieger

VinLieger wrote: »

Mitch speaks.....

Speaks a load of vague nonsense, maybe. That's exactly what HAS been happening, until somebody has proof of anything else then they and their views can be dismissed, including Trump's.

"Hillary Trump lost, get over it"

Brian?

VinLieger wrote: »

Mitch speaks


https://twitter.com/senatemajldr/status/1324697471654789120


Still walking the line of "count legal votes" leaving him open to shout about fraud if he needs to but i only think he will go that line if its close or a draw which its looking like it wont be

He’s a coward. He said nothing.

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Canice Picklington

To me there are also elements of the wellness industry's shtick in Trump. The idea that you are an individual above all else, and that you can be anything you want to be taken to a ludicrous extreme. That you can live in a fantasy world. The corporate idea of shallow, superficial wellness, and appearances, based on dumb, faux profound, vacuous memes and slogans. The idea of feelings and delusion over facts and reality.

Trump's America is like Simpsons' wellness guru Brad Goodman and his "do you what you feel" mantra, come to real life. A retreat into fantasy, a rejection of reality.

BorneTobyWilde

Brian? wrote: »

That’s a steaming pile of BS you’ve concocted.

How can you say that? It's not, it's a fact. One person in a family can fill out multiple ballots for members of their family who were never going to vote in person.
Uncle Bob who lives in the basement voted this year, he doesn't know he voted, but his sister knows, she filled it out and dropped it off.

OhHiMark

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

How can you say that? It's not, it's a fact. One person in a family can fill out multiple ballots for members of their family who were never going to vote in person.
Uncle Bob who lives in the basement voted this year, he doesn't know he voted, but his sister knows, she filled it out and dropped it off.

Well you can claim anything that you want and call it a fact, but nobody will believe you unless you give some evidence.

VinLieger

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

How can you say that? It's not, it's a fact.

No its not, its a theory, one of which you have zero evidence for so the correct term would actually be a conspiracy theory

Akabusi

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

How can you say that? It's not, it's a fact. One person in a family can fill out multiple ballots for members of their family who were never going to vote in person.
Uncle Bob who lives in the basement voted this year, he doesn't know he voted, but his sister knows, she filled it out and dropped it off.

Yeah sure. Whatever makes you feel better, go with that.

Brian?

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

How can you say that? It's not, it's a fact. One person in a family can fill out multiple ballots for members of their family who were never going to vote in person.
Uncle Bob who lives in the basement voted this year, he doesn't know he voted, but his sister knows, she filled it out and dropped it off.

You’ve made up a little fairy tale and have the neck to use the word “fact”?

Present a single piece of evidence this has happened on a large enough scale to effect the outcome and we can dance. Up until then, it’s BE.

signostic

Daughter moved out last week, fled to LA to become a pornstar. Hubby is a drunk, spends his day watching TV not knowing what day it is.

Millions of pornstars and drunk husbands in the USA

Canice Picklington

Brian? wrote: »

Completely agree. For a long time I’ve felt Trump isn’t a fascist. But the people around him and using him lean that way.

Oh I think he is, just in a different kind of way to those around him.

I'm reminded of Robbie Coltrane's line in "Cracker" about "sickening sentimentality, it's been in every killer I've ever met, sickening sentimentality".

Sickening, sickening sentimentality is at the heart of Trump's fascism.

Kiith

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I have no doubt they are counting all the votes that came in, but I also have no doubt that all of them that came in are not genuine votes.
You have Ms Molly Democrat super fan getting 5 ballots through her post box, one for her, her hubby, and 2 sons and daughter. 2 sons are not political, but claiming Trump is bad, Biden is worse, they don't represent me. Daughter moved out last week, fled to LA to become a pornstar. Hubby is a drunk, spends his day watching TV not knowing what day it is.
But Ms Molly Democrat super fan will take all those ballots, and fill them out, either just tell husband '' sign this!'' or simply sign them for her kids, as she's forever signing their name and can do it easily, she can then simply do a drive by drop in a container, and boom these votes are counted.

You also have Grandma and Grand Dad not getting their ballots, as their son or daughter know better, Biden is king, no ballot for you, Trump is a fool. So Grandma and Grand Dad never get to vote, and have no way to make it in person to vote.
This is what mail in ballots have allowed this election. Yes the votes are in, and they are getting counted, and are all genuine ballots. But lets get real a huge percent of them are coming from one person who filled them out for members of their family who had no intention of voting, and never have.
Biden spent the campaign hiding, how did this inspire the greatest turn out in history, simple fact is it didn't.

Nothing shady going on in the counting process, the shady part happened in the homes up and down the country.

This is one of the stupidest things i've read on boards in 15 odd years. Absolute nonsense.

BorneTobyWilde

TomOnBoard wrote: »

E.V.I.D.E.N.C.E??? S.O.U.R.C.E.(S)???

Human Nature is the only evidence. Passion to win and an advantage to do so will be taken, especially in the comfort of ones home where there are no cameras no eyes on them.
Fill out the 6 ballots , drive by, throw them in the collection bin. It was never so easy



Are you really suggesting this hasn't happened? Come on.



Compared to what some people have done on camera on the streets, you really think in the comfort of their own home they suddenly became Saints?

namloc1980

Kiith wrote: »

This is one of the stupidest things i've read on boards in 15 odd years. Absolute nonsense.

Also known as a conspiracy theory.

VinLieger

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Human Nature is the only evidence. Passion to win and an advantage to do so will be taken, especially in the comfort of ones home where there are no cameras no eyes on them.
Fill out the 6 ballots , drive by, throw them in the collection bin. It was never so easy



Are you really suggesting this hasn't happened? Come on.



Compared to what some people have done on camera on the streets, you really think in the comfort of their own home they suddenly became Saints?

So Trump supporters could have done exactly the same?

Faugheen

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I have no doubt they are counting all the votes that came in, but I also have no doubt that all of them that came in are not genuine votes.
You have Ms Molly Democrat super fan getting 5 ballots through her post box, one for her, her hubby, and 2 sons and daughter. 2 sons are not political, but claiming Trump is bad, Biden is worse, they don't represent me. Daughter moved out last week, fled to LA to become a pornstar. Hubby is a drunk, spends his day watching TV not knowing what day it is.
But Ms Molly Democrat super fan will take all those ballots, and fill them out, either just tell husband '' sign this!'' or simply sign them for her kids, as she's forever signing their name and can do it easily, she can then simply do a drive by drop in a container, and boom these votes are counted.

You also have Grandma and Grand Dad not getting their ballots, as their son or daughter know better, Biden is king, no ballot for you, Trump is a fool. So Grandma and Grand Dad never get to vote, and have no way to make it in person to vote.
This is what mail in ballots have allowed this election. Yes the votes are in, and they are getting counted, and are all genuine ballots. But lets get real a huge percent of them are coming from one person who filled them out for members of their family who had no intention of voting, and never have.
Biden spent the campaign hiding, how did this inspire the greatest turn out in history, simple fact is it didn't.

Nothing shady going on in the counting process, the shady part happened in the homes up and down the country.

Yet none of these families thought to give the Democrats a chance to take over the Senate or to take seats in the House?

If this wasn’t a presidential year it would be a bad night for the Democrats

Ellian

Deleted User wrote: »

Speaks a load of vague nonsense, maybe. That's exactly what HAS been happening, until somebody has proof of anything else then they and their views can be dismissed, including Trump's.

"Hillary Trump lost, get over it"

I remember the late great Christopher Hitchens used to have a standard line while arguing about religion.

"Anything asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence". I've been saying that quite a lot recently over the last few days.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

"Ms Molly Democrat super fan"

This the same Ms Molly that's driving around in Biden t-shirts and caps, with Biden flags hanging from their Tesla's and going to these huge propaganda rallies held by Biden.

Brussels Sprout

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

You have Ms Molly Democrat super fan getting 5 ballots through her post box, one for her, her hubby, and 2 sons and daughter. 2 sons are not political, but claiming Trump is bad, Biden is worse, they don't represent me. Daughter moved out last week, fled to LA to become a pornstar. Hubby is a drunk, spends his day watching TV not knowing what day it is.
But Ms Molly Democrat super fan will take all those ballots, and fill them out, either just tell husband '' sign this!'' or simply sign them for her kids, as she's forever signing their name and can do it easily, she can then simply do a drive by drop in a container, and boom these votes are counted.

You also have Grandma and Grand Dad not getting their ballots, as their son or daughter know better, Biden is king, no ballot for you, Trump is a fool. So Grandma and Grand Dad never get to vote, and have no way to make it in person to vote.

Good lord!

mcmoustache

Brian? wrote: »

That’s a steaming pile of BS you’ve concocted.

This is a problem that's going to remain even with Trump out of the WH.


The number of people believing conspiracy theories, hoaxes and lies isn't likely to go down without some work from social media companies. The types of people who can be fooled by QAnon or Trump will be standing by for the next conman to take advantage of them.

TomOnBoard

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Human Nature is the only evidence. Passion to win and an advantage to do so will be taken, especially in the comfort of ones home where there are no cameras no eyes on them.
Fill out the 6 ballots , drive by, throw them in the collection bin. It was never so easy



Are you really suggesting this hasn't happened? Come on.



Compared to what some people have done on camera on the streets, you really think in the comfort of their own home they suddenly became Saints?

"Your Honour, Human Nature is the only evidence"... Yeah, try that in the Old Bailey!!

At least, you confirmed that you believe that "Nothing shady going on in the counting process"!!

BorneTobyWilde

Kiith wrote: »

This is one of the stupidest things i've read on boards in 15 odd years. Absolute nonsense.

Then explain why? You have passionate people marching, spitting in the faces of cops. But filling out the 5 ballots that came through the post is a step too far for them??? Come on.


I see it in my own family, how only one or two people vote. My sister always votes, if she got her hands on ballots that only needed signing up and dropped off she'd do it. Even though rest of family never vote. If the ballots were there she's simple say, sign here dad, it's filled out , nothing to do, I'll drop it off, just sign it!! ect .

Brussels Sprout

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Then explain why? You have passionate people marching, spitting in the faces of cops. But filling out the 5 ballots that came through the post is a step too far for them??? Come on.


I see it in my own family, how only one or two people vote. My sister always votes, if she got her hands on ballots that only needed signing up and dropped off she'd do it. Even though rest of family never vote. If the ballots were there she's simple say, sign here dad, it's filled out , nothing to do, I'll drop it off, just sign it!! ect .

and why would that happen only in one direction?

namloc1980

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Then explain why? You have passionate people marching, spitting in the faces of cops. But filling out the 5 ballots that came through the post is a step too far for them??? Come on.


I see it in my own family, how only one or two people vote. My sister always votes, if she got her hands on ballots that only needed signing up and dropped off she'd do it. Even though rest of family never vote. If the ballots were there she's simple say, sign here dad, it's filled out , nothing to do, I'll drop it off, just sign it!! ect .

Your sister is gagging to commit voter fraud?! This story keeps getting better

BorneTobyWilde

VinLieger wrote: »

So Trump supporters could have done exactly the same?

I'm sure they did, but democrats voted more by mail, 85/15 split it seems

TomOnBoard

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Then explain why? You have passionate people marching, spitting in the faces of cops. But filling out the 5 ballots that came through the post is a step too far for them??? Come on.


I see it in my own family, how only one or two people vote. My sister always votes, if she got her hands on ballots that only needed signing up and dropped off she'd do it. Even though rest of family never vote. If the ballots were there she's simple say, sign here dad, it's filled out , nothing to do, I'll drop it off, just sign it!! ect .

Clearly, you're part of a crime family with few morals. Oh, and you'd be visiting Sis in jail...

ancapailldorcha

Mod: No more allegations of illegal activity without a source please. A post has been infracted.

seamus

namloc1980 wrote: »

Your sister is gagging to commit voter fraud?! This story keeps getting better

Classic projection. "I know they're doing it, because I do it too".

Aligns perfectly with the fact that the only detected incident of voter fraud this year was a Trump voter.

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