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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)
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Agent Smith wrote: »306-232
From 2016/media/img/posts/2016/12/Conway/original.png)
"How the turntables"
Poetic Justice really that President Troll won 306 votes in 2016 and still lost the popular vote but Joe Biden wins the exact same amount AND the Popular vote.0 -
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listermint wrote: »You know well Ireland is a country in its own right , in a membership of customers and trade relationships. You know full well. This post reads a bit smug and is comparing Texas as its own country for someone in the armed forces it's a bizarre statement to make when your pay comes from federal money of the united states of America.
No disrespect, but I submit that it is you who do not truly understand the level of independence that a State has from the other States and of control that it has within its own borders. It's down to the level that you can't even transfer a barber's license from one State to another unless that state has made a provision in law to allow it. It's why Rittenhouse had to go through an extradition procedure in the courts to be sent across the state line from Illinois to Wisconsin, just as you would have to do the same to extradite someone from Dundalk to Belfast.
And, yes, my pay does come from the Feds.
This one's doesn't, though.
Nor this one..jpg)
Note the Texas and Mississippi flags where I would wear a US one. They say "Texas" and "Mississippi" where my uniform says "US Army".
From Texas law. Sec. 437.002. COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF. (a) The governor is the commander-in-chief of the Texas military forces, except any portion of those forces in the service of the United States. The governor has full control and authority over all matters relating to the Texas military forces, including organization, equipment, and discipline.
Can Munster raise its own army? Scotland? Can any county in Ireland tell the Taoiseach or President that "This isn't your lane, you get no say in this" as we have seen happen in the US over the last few months? Have any Irish national laws been invalidated in Ireland because the highest court in the land has said "Sorry, legislature, you have no authority here, a county legislature has to deal with it?" (Or even saying to the EU "you have no authority to make this law", the Irish have to do it?). Who runs elections in the US vs Ireland?
The reality is that the US states have the ability to control any functions which a typical nation is expected to have, with the one exception of foreign relations which is explicitly forbidden, and the question of citizenship (Free movement of people). No Ireland-Texas treaties, for example, no Texas passports. For the functions of daily government, the States control it.0 -
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Manic Moran wrote: »No disrespect, but I submit that it is you who do not truly understand the level of independence that a State has from the other States and of control that it has within its own borders. It's down to the level that you can't even transfer a barber's license from one State to another unless that state has made a provision in law to allow it. It's why Rittenhouse had to go through an extradition procedure in the courts to be sent across the state line from Illinois to Wisconsin, just as you would have to do the same to extradite someone from Dundalk to Belfast.
And, yes, my pay does come from the Feds.
This one's doesn't, though.
Nor this one.
Note the Texas and Mississippi flags where I would wear a US one. They say "Texas" and "Mississippi" where my uniform says "US Army".
From Texas law. Sec. 437.002. COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF. (a) The governor is the commander-in-chief of the Texas military forces, except any portion of those forces in the service of the United States. The governor has full control and authority over all matters relating to the Texas military forces, including organization, equipment, and discipline.
Can Munster raise its own army? Scotland? Can any county in Ireland tell the Taoiseach or President that "This isn't your lane, you get no say in this" as we have seen happen in the US over the last few months? Have any Irish national laws been invalidated in Ireland because the highest court in the land has said "Sorry, legislature, you have no authority here, a county legislature has to deal with it?" (Or even saying to the EU "you have no authority to make this law", the Irish have to do it?). Who runs elections in the US vs Ireland?
The reality is that the US states have the ability to control any functions which a typical nation is expected to have, with the one exception of foreign relations which is explicitly forbidden, and the question of citizenship (Free movement of people). No Ireland-Texas treaties, for example, no Texas passports. For the functions of daily government, the States control it.
To support MM on this, have any of you who have traveled the interstates of the US ever taken note of the ports of entry as you pass from one state to the other - you know the ones that look like customs posts. The first time I ever really noticed this was traveling west on the I-40 into California from Kingman to Barstow many years ago. There is a real Customs post aka port of entry to Cali at a place called Needles. There is/was a list of proscribed substances on the interstate signs approaching it. This is the simplest way of realizing you are moving from one state/country to another - it is akin to the travel from one western European country to another, traveling through the mostly abandoned customs posts which were important up to 1992.
Every state is effectively a separate country (state) with its own laws, rules etc organized as part of a federal union into a superstate which then operates internationally. Texas operated as an independent country before joining the USA but gave up SFA independence in doing that (at the time). The USA is structured politically very differently to Ireland or the UK. Canada and Australia have vaguely similar structures to the USA.0 -
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