US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

prawnsambo

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

I've heard people say the Republicans do that. Mind you I've also heard the Dems make mail in easy in "their" areas only.

Everyone should be making voting easier in 'their' areas. It's a constitutional right and shouldn't be restricted in any way.

jmayo

harr wrote: »

Will Trumps Constant wild claims on Twitter affect his running again in 4 years ? Will the GOP get sick of him and once out of the White House won’t be put for forward for re-election again.
Also why does Twitter allow him spout such wild claims without total censorship , I know they have warnings on his posts but you would imagine he would only be allowed do this for so long.

You think Twitter letting Trump continue is bad, Zuckerberg blatantly brazenly said to Senate committee the other day that Bannon is not banned from Facefook even though he called for the beheading of two public government officials, Dr. Anthony Fauci and FBI director Christopher Wray.

They only removed the posts/video and Zuckerberg stated when asked about suspending Bannon "not what our policies would suggest that we should do in this case."

FFS, how fecked up is that ?

Quin_Dub wrote: »

There is a certain cohort of traditional GOP voters that voted for Biden this time out , not sure it's a massive group though.

If you look at the states where Biden won, but the GOP Senator held their seats -

The % difference in those vote totals gives you a rough idea of that impact.

It's not massive , significant in terms of winning/losing and election but it's not a huge number overal I'd suggest.

You have Republicans Voters Against Trump, The Lincoln Project.
You have very hjigh profile ones like Bolton, Scaramucci, and a host of ex Republican cabinet members, officials and elected representatives.
Cindy McCain's endorsement of Biden helped him win Ariziona and probably helped seal the fate of that Trump sycophant nutjob McSally.

Check out her policies and stance on issues and how anyone would vote for her is beyond me.

prawnsambo wrote: »

I don't think she's decided. She's been told. She's out of a job if she goes against Trump. Same as what happened to Krebs.

She is waiting I think for the states to certify the elections so that is her excuse when Trump starts screaming down the phone.

Quin_Dub

jmayo wrote: »

You think Twitter letting Trump continue is bad, Zuckerberg blatantly brazenly said to Senate committee the other day that Bannon is not banned from Facefook even though he called for the beheading of two public government officials, Dr. Anthony Fauci and FBI director Christopher Wray.

They only removed the posts/video and Zuckerberg stated when asked about suspending Bannon "not what our policies would suggest that we should do in this case."

FFS, how fecked up is that ?



You have Republicans Voters Against Trump, The Lincoln Project.
You have very hjigh profile ones like Bolton, Scaramucci, and a host of ex Republican cabinet members, officials and elected representatives.
Cindy McCain's endorsement of Biden helped him win Ariziona and probably helped seal the fate of that Trump sycophant nutjob McSally.

Check out her policies and stance on issues and how anyone would vote for her is beyond me.



She is waiting I think for the states to certify the elections so that is her excuse when Trump starts screaming down the phone.

Just on McSally - She surely has to be some kind of record holder.

Her personal awfulness has lost the GOP both Senate seats in Arizona - Ran for Election for an open seat and lost , gets parachuted in to McCains seat by the Governor and then gets hosed in the next election by Kelly.

Has any other Senator managed to never actually win an election?

Itssoeasy

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Just on McSally - She surely has to be some kind of record holder.

Her personal awfulness has lost the GOP both Senate seats in Arizona - Ran for Election for an open seat and lost , gets parachuted in to McCains seat by the Governor and then gets hosed in the next election by Kelly.

Has any other Senator managed to never actually win an election?

Did Kelly loeffler in Georgia win her seat ?

jmayo

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Just on McSally - She surely has to be some kind of record holder.

Her personal awfulness has lost the GOP both Senate seats in Arizona - Ran for Election for an open seat and lost , gets parachuted in to McCains seat by the Governor and then gets hosed in the next election by Kelly.

Has any other Senator managed to never actually win an election?

Well she did back Trump's handling of Covid.

In March she said staying home was an over reaction.
And then in May she refused to back further coronavirus relief funding. She claimed Democratic-voting states and cities had mismanaged their budgets for decades and that they shouldn't get any more aid.

She opposes same-sex marriage and abortion.

She was the first senator ever appointed to serve alongside someone to whom she initially lost an election.
Her appointment was only because governor had to fill McCain's old seat after his nominated successor Kyl resigned.

She once said she wants the federal government out of education.
She supports privatising social security and raising retirement age.

She keeps waving the flag about her being a fighter pilot and then called into question the patriotism of former astronaut and ex Navy pilot Mark Kelly just because he was involved in Chinese trade delegation.

And she used Trump style tactics by labeling him as "Counterfeit Kelly".

Dillonb3

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Did Kelly loeffler in Georgia win her seat ?

No she was appointed to replace Senator Issakson who retired due to health issues

Carfacemandog

jmayo wrote: »

You think Twitter letting Trump continue is bad, Zuckerberg blatantly brazenly said to Senate committee the other day that Bannon is not banned from Facefook even though he called for the beheading of two public government officials, Dr. Anthony Fauci and FBI director Christopher Wray.

They only removed the posts/video and Zuckerberg stated when asked about suspending Bannon "not what our policies would suggest that we should do in this case."

FFS, how fecked up is that ?

Exactly.

Twitter have not yet banned Trump because frankly it is extremely difficult for them to do so prior to Jan 20th. They have however been proactive in banning extremists on both sides, and on enforcing fact checks when someone like Trump starts spouting drivel.

FB on the other hand have openly been enabling this madness and division. They've done this in a number of places to the point the Myanmar/Rohingya genocides of recent years have in part been attributed to them. They have been selling off user data to Cambridge Analytica without consent. They have played a central role in enabling foreign influence of other nations' elections (a reference beyond just Trump/Russia stuff). They have been the epicenter of anti mask/lockdown/5g lunacy, and if many far left and far right extremists in the US over the last several years, but the last 10-12 months more than ever.

I don't think Zuckerberg is pushing any particular ideology to be clear, he just wants more influence and comes over as an outright sociopathic narcissist (in silicon valley? Who would have thought! :pac: ).

Of course it won't happen, but ideally Facebook should just be shut down for good. They're a prime example of why these large social media companies need to regulate their content, and a very cautionary taken of what happens when you indulge the "free speech" brigade that actually give zero fcuks about free speech at all for anyone that isn't them.

There's no two ways about it, FB are nothing short of evil.

Foxtrol

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Exactly.

Twitter have not yet banned Trump because frankly it is extremely difficult for them to do so prior to Jan 20th. They have however been proactive in banning extremists on both sides, and on enforcing fact checks when someone like Trump starts spouting drivel.

FB on the other hand have openly been enabling this madness and division. They've done this in a number of places to the point the Burmese genocides of recent years have in part been attributed to them. They have been selling off user data to Cambridge Analytica without consent. They have played a central role in enabling foreign influence of other nations' elections (a reference beyond just Trump/Russia stuff). They have been the epicenter of anti mask/lockdown/5g lunacy, and if many far left and far right extremists in the US over the last several years, but the last 10-12 months more than ever.

I don't think Zuckerberg is pushing any particular ideology to be clear, he just wants more influence and comes over as an outright sociopathic narcissist (in silicon valley? Who would have thought! :pac: ).

Of course it won't happen, but ideally Facebook should just be shut down for good. They're a prime example of why these large social media companies need to regulate their content, and a very cautionary taken of what happens when you indulge the "free speech" brigade that actually give zero fcuks about free speech at all for anyone that isn't them.

There's no two ways about it, FB are nothing short of evil.

I don't think Zuckerberg has a preference regarding a particular ideology but he is very much aware of which ideology is being pushed the most of FB, just look at the top 10 most interacted with posts on daily basis. He is doing everything he can to make sure he doesn't completely alienate this group and by doing so is clearly helping to push that ideology.

Blowfish

So this is pretty amazingly pointing out the competence of Giuliani. Basically, the Trump campaign are withdrawing their litigation to prevent the election being certified in Michigan because they say that Wayne Co. have declined to certify the result, hence they gained the result they want. This is despite the fact that Wayne co. reversed the decision and have actually certified. The Trump campaign are claiming they won out of court....even though they lost:


https://twitter.com/johnkruzel/status/1329443846422454275

Quin_Dub

Blowfish wrote: »

So this is pretty amazingly pointing out the competence of Giuliani. Basically, the Trump campaign are withdrawing their litigation to prevent the election being certified in Michigan because they say that Wayne Co. have declined to certify the result, hence they gained the result they want. This is despite the fact that Wayne co. reversed the decision and have actually certified. The Trump campaign are claiming they won out of court....even though they lost:


https://twitter.com/johnkruzel/status/1329443846422454275

To be fair , their belief is that the request to rescind their approval that the two GOP canvassers asked for last night is legitimate (Spoiler - It's not).

So in their world , the results haven't been certified but in the world the rest of us live in , they have been certified and oddly enough there are no "backsies" allowed.

Manic Moran

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I don’t understand why the transition team for Biden and Harris don’t bring a lawsuit(seems to be a way to focus minds in America) against the director of the GSA. Forget trump and his pity party, Emily Murphy as director is ignoring the law which her predecessors have followed. It says apparent winner which under any metric joe Biden is yet she seems hell bent on trying to stay loyal to trump who we know won’t be loyal to her if history is any indication. Having just read up on her time in this job she’s not exactly getting top marks.

Itssoeasy wrote: »

It’s not the point though whether Biden knows how it works it’s a legal process that has happened since 1963 since the act became law.

So I'm digging into this....

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/M-20-24.pdf
See also https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:3%20section:102%20edition:prelim)

Note the difference between what folks "may" do (which can be traditional, but not required), and what they "shall" do, which is required. Note also that the "mays" are generally "The President may (or chooses)....", which he seems disinclined to do right now. Example, under "General Duties" it says "The President shall take such actions as the President determines necessary and appropriate...."

You can't sue over that sort of language if the things you want to happen or which normally happen are not actually done.

So, which parts of the law are not being complied with by the GSA?

prawnsambo

Quin_Dub wrote: »

To be fair , their belief is that the request to rescind their approval that the two GOP canvassers asked for last night is legitimate (Spoiler - It's not).

So in their world , the results haven't been certified but in the world the rest of us live in , they have been certified and oddly enough there are no "backsies" allowed.

Yeah. There was a deadline which passed yesterday. The certification has now gone to state level and the affidavits from the two Republican canvassers are pointless. Although apparently Trump called at least one of them directly before they tried to rescind.

Quin_Dub

prawnsambo wrote: »

Yeah. There was a deadline which passed yesterday. The certification has now gone to state level and the affidavits from the two Republican canvassers are pointless. Although apparently Trump called at least one of them directly before they tried to rescind.

That remains a concern - Trump et al will be leaning *hard* on the two GOP seats on the state level committee to use the affidavits from the two Wayne County guys as a reason to refuse the State level certification.

Overall though , all of this is classic Trump playbook , it's not designed to win , it's designed to try to run out the clock.

TomOnBoard

jmayo wrote: »

Well she did back Trump's handling of Covid.

In March she said staying home was an over reaction.
And then in May she refused to back further coronavirus relief funding. She claimed Democratic-voting states and cities had mismanaged their budgets for decades and that they shouldn't get any more aid.

She opposes same-sex marriage and abortion.

She was the first senator ever appointed to serve alongside someone to whom she initially lost an election.
Her appointment was only because governor had to fill McCain's old seat after his nominated successor Kyl resigned.

She once said she wants the federal government out of education.
She supports privatising social security and raising retirement age.

She keeps waving the flag about her being a fighter pilot and then called into question the patriotism of former astronaut and ex Navy pilot Mark Kelly just because he was involved in Chinese trade delegation.

And she used Trump style tactics by labeling him as "Counterfeit Kelly".

Wasn't she also the wan who said that people should "miss a meal" and donate the money saved to her campaign?

MJohnston

Quin_Dub wrote: »

To be fair , their belief is that the request to rescind their approval that the two GOP canvassers asked for last night is legitimate (Spoiler - It's not).

So in their world , the results haven't been certified but in the world the rest of us live in , they have been certified and oddly enough there are no "backsies" allowed.

Was it both of them wanted to rescind their approval or just the woman?

prawnsambo

MJohnston wrote: »

Was it both of them wanted to rescind their approval or just the woman?

Both of them.

martingriff

Communists money oh god there trying that old trick again to frighten people. Who is the lady behind the one talking now

Water John

Is this not simply interference in the election process by Trump?

martingriff

Do they actually believe all they are saying or are they after a quick buck. I mean how would Rudi come back from this now

ChikiChiki

This rhetoric is too strong.

Brussels Sprout

This angry lady at the Giuliani press conference is hitting all the lunatic talking points:

• George Soros
• Hugo Chavez
• "Injecting" ballots
• Communists funding the left

She looked like she was on the verge of bringing up an international pedophile ring but that would have been a little too on the nose

Brussels Sprout

She has now been replaced by a younger model who appears to be getting louder the more she talks

Brussels Sprout

Earlier Rudy was his usual composed self:

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1329482404684238848

martingriff

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

She has now been replaced by a younger model who appears to be getting louder the more she talks

Who is she

Edit: Jenna Ellis

looksee

That was beyond unbelievable rubbish. And Guliani looks as though he has covid.

murpho999

looksee wrote: »

That was beyond unbelievable rubbish. And Guliani looks as though he has covid.

Wouldn't surprise me.

Look at all the idiots on top of each other on the small podium.

murpho999

I remember Rudy at 9/11 time and he came across so well at the time and seemed the right person at that time and was seen as a future president.

Now I see him ranting and shouting and sweating like a lunatic. A completely different and unlikeable person.

murpho999

He claims USA is greatest democracy is greatest in the world, but :

It's completely open to fraud.
FBI is on it.
Democrats have been doing it for years.
Dominion machines are manipulated.
People went into count room in middle of the night and gave Joe Biden 196,000 votes.
Violence threatened against witnesses
Cities and counties have been corrupt for decades.
Mayors held back votes to get Kennedy elected in 1960
Clintons involved and they made up 2016 Russian collusion
They have evidence but they cannot reveal yet
Media is involved as they censor information


Really ridiculous stuff

TomOnBoard

murpho999 wrote: »

I remember Rudy at 9/11 time and he came across so well at the time and seemed the right person at that time and was seen as a future president.

Now I see him ranting and shouting and sweating like a lunatic. A completely different and unlikeable person.

Rudi's performances on/post- 9/11 were an aberration. He was always a goon, whose prosecutor/SDNY days were described thus:

"What's the most dangerous place on Earth? Being between Rudi Giuliani and a microphone! "

Carfacemandog

murpho999 wrote: »

I remember Rudy at 9/11 time and he came across so well at the time and seemed the right person at that time and was seen as a future president.

Now I see him ranting and shouting and sweating like a lunatic. A completely different and unlikeable person.

A lot of bad stuff on hia role in 9/11 also Cmcame out in the years following. Firefighters grew to absolutely detest him.

There's a decent read from way back in 2008 on it here - http://theguardian.com/world/deadlineusa/2008/jan/28/giulianisworstnightmare

It has also been claimed the reason he moved the emergency operations centre to the WTC rather than one of the other recommended sites was to make it easier to cheat on his wife with his mistress at the time, who he was also diverting funding to which could have been used to address some of the many issues talked about in that article.

It has been a remarkable fall from grace for him, but subtlety far more gradual than it might first appear.