US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

Water John

prawnsambo wrote: »

Ivanka is in a bit of bother though. She got paid a goodly chunk of a million bucks for supposed consulting from her dear dad and it only came to light when they were background checking her for her nepotistic WH job. The irony there is something else. Anyhoo, that's a NY state investigation, so no pardons available.

She's feeling the pressure;

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/20/ivanka-trump-new-york-fraud-inquiries-donald-trump-organization



“This is harassment pure and simple,” Ivanka Trump said on Twitter, linking to the report in the New York Times. “This ‘inquiry’ by NYC democrats is 100% motivated by politics, publicity and rage. They know very well that there’s nothing here and that there was no tax benefit whatsoever. These politicians are simply ruthless.”

prawnsambo

Georgia has now certified. I have to say fair play to Georgia. They hand recounted all the ballots after the count and had a miniscule error rate in the hundredths of a percentage point. And reported and certified before a lot of states.

TomOnBoard

prawnsambo wrote: »

Georgia has now certified. I have to say fair play to Georgia. They hand recounted all the ballots after the count and had a miniscule error rate in the hundredths of a percentage point. And reported and certified before a lot of states.

I have to say that my previous (very negative) views of GOP Government in GA have changed somewhat after the GA election. I had expected GA to be a den of electoral thieves, but I was wrong! Certainly, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger has shown me that its not all corrupt, and despite other issues around voter suppression that Stacy Abrams has been working to cure, Raffensperger has acquitted himself honourably since Nov 3, and I admire him for having the liathroidi to stand up to GOP pressure.

So, The Moon Over Georgia shines brightly tonight. Fair play, well done, and on to a free and fair double run-off in January.

harr

So junior has caught the virus .. might keep him quiet for a while .

TomOnBoard

Following on from my earlier comment re. GA, this statement from MI GOP leaders following their White House meeting helps me breathe a sigh of relief:

https://twitter.com/SenMikeShirkey/status/1329925843053899780?s=09

Francie Barrett

prawnsambo wrote: »

Georgia has now certified. I have to say fair play to Georgia. They hand recounted all the ballots after the count and had a miniscule error rate in the hundredths of a percentage point. And reported and certified before a lot of states.

"Every legal vote must be count".

I for one am glad it has been done.

Brian?

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Following on from my earlier comment re. GA, this statement from MI GOP leaders following their White House meeting helps me breathe a sigh of relief:

https://twitter.com/SenMikeShirkey/status/1329925843053899780?s=09

It really sounds like Trump tried some quid pro quo with Covid supplies. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it all sounds pretty sinister.

gimli2112

prawnsambo wrote: »

Georgia has now certified. I have to say fair play to Georgia. They hand recounted all the ballots after the count and had a miniscule error rate in the hundredths of a percentage point. And reported and certified before a lot of states.

When you're an incumbent Republican president and Georgia is desperate to get rid of you, it's really setting the bar.

TomOnBoard

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Following on from my earlier comment re. GA, this statement from MI GOP leaders following their White House meeting helps me breathe a sigh of relief:

https://twitter.com/SenMikeShirkey/status/1329925843053899780?s=09

Seen the following linked to the above

https://twitter.com/PascrellforNJ/status/1329875147067625474?s=20

Don't know if anything would come of it, and while RG is probably not that worried about it is it did, some younger lawyers might be.

prawnsambo

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Actually smart move, now next these lawyers are looking for a job and someone does background check on them this comes up.

Trump and Gulliani might not care what anyone thinks of them, but thats not how the rest of the normal world operates. Unless some of these 22 are Better Call Saul types and want notoriety

I believe Giuliani hadn't actually paid his sub to the NY bar and shouldn't be practising anyway. Judges seem to be lenient on this issue, but the bar may not be so flexible.

Windmill100000

What are Trump supporters saying about the latest developments? They lapped up tbe idea that Trump was denied the win because of fraud.

Its always been embarrassing, but it's beyond that now.

What are they clutching at now that recounts are not giving the results they wanted?

Timberrrrrrrr

Windmill100000 wrote: »

What are Trump supporters saying about the latest developments? They lapped up tbe idea that Trump was denied the win because of fraud.

Its always been embarrassing, but it's beyond that now.

What are they clutching at now that recounts are not giving the results they wanted?

The late Hugo Chavez apparently had a hand in it, something about software being manipulated to switch votes to Biden, Oh and Russia, in collusion with the Rand corporation sponsored by George Soros, Hillary Clinton, Bill Gates and the ghost of Elvis Presley.

one armed dwarf

A now banned user suggested that Trump's litigation is all about staging a confrontation between Biden and Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court, which would also suggest that Trump lost on purpose to achieve this.

It must be really exhausting to keep up with these changing narratives, you can always see which ones have to go off to /pol/ to brainwash themselves with the latest crackpot theory. Big event happens, 3 days later a bunch of them come on here in droves.

For such free thinkers they all seem to sing the same hymn sheet.

First Up

Timberrrrrrrr wrote:

The late Hugo Chavez apparently had a hand in it, something about software being manipulated to switch votes to Biden, Oh and Russia, in collusion with the Rand corporation sponsored by George Soros, Hillary Clinton, Bill Gates and the ghost of Elvis Presley.

All done by the algorithm developed by a company that has Nancy Pelosi as a shareholder. This was said with a straight face on Fox News.

MJohnston

one armed dwarf wrote: »

A now banned user suggested that Trump's litigation is all about staging a confrontation between Biden and Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court, which would also suggest that Trump lost on purpose to achieve this.

It must be really exhausting to keep up with these changing narratives, you can always see which ones have to go off to /pol/ to brainwash themselves with the latest crackpot theory. Big event happens, 3 days later a bunch of them come on here in droves.

For such free thinkers they all seem to sing the same hymn sheet.

I genuinely think it’s a sign of mental illness for some of these people. They’re either deeply sociopathic and just trolling, or they’re really believe it’s all some grand plan which is an unhinged POV.

I mean, when has the Trump campaign EVER demonstrated any semblance of competency or tactical thinking required to pull any of this off? To go so deep on a conspiracy theory that you think this is all an act is the kind of behaviour that should raise huge red flags.

Windmill100000

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The late Hugo Chavez apparently had a hand in it, something about software being manipulated to switch votes to Biden, Oh and Russia, in collusion with the Rand corporation sponsored by George Soros, Hillary Clinton, Bill Gates and the ghost of Elvis Presley.

I suppose some people will believe anything, no matter how ludicrous, in an attempt to save face.

Elvis....:D

I mean, it's not like he lost because people just don't rate him.

Roanmore

First Up wrote: »

All done by the algorithm developed by a company that has Nancy Pelosi as a shareholder. This was said with a straight face on Fox News.

And Hilary Clinton as a shareholder as well. This was doing the rounds a few days after the election day when it looked like the tide was turning Biden's way.
There must have been a strategy put together somewhere that stuff like this got released.

On another note, I've never heard Mike Pence speak so much or been out front.
Are they laying the foundation for Pence to take over before the end of December?

martingriff

one armed dwarf wrote: »

A now banned user suggested that Trump's litigation is all about staging a confrontation between Biden and Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court, which would also suggest that Trump lost on purpose to achieve this.

It must be really exhausting to keep up with these changing narratives, you can always see which ones have to go off to /pol/ to brainwash themselves with the latest crackpot theory. Big event happens, 3 days later a bunch of them come on here in droves.

For such free thinkers they all seem to sing the same hymn sheet.

Forgive my ignorance but why do they want confrontation between Biden and Thomas. Isn't Thomas one of the quietest in the court and the amount of times he asked anything can be added up on 1 hand

Windmill100000

which would also suggest that Trump lost on purpose to achieve this

Not a hope. Trump's ego would not allow him to lose for any purpose.

duploelabs

Windmill100000 wrote: »

which would also suggest that Trump lost on purpose to achieve this

Not a hope. Trump's ego would not allow him to lose for any purpose.

Losing on purpose is the new 'being sarcastic'

correct horse battery staple

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Actually smart move, now next these lawyers are looking for a job and someone does background check on them this comes up.

Trump and Gulliani might not care what anyone thinks of them, but thats not how the rest of the normal world operates. Unless some of these 22 are Better Call Saul types and want notoriety

Thinking more along the lines of losing their licence to practice, and if loosely continuing the better call Saul analogy end up managing a bakery chain store.
RG given his age wouldn't exactly need to worry about that, the others might have to.

VinLieger

VinLieger wrote: »

Turnout as a percentage of population is higher than its been in 120 years...... current estimates are that its between 66% and 72%, it hasnt been higher than 66% since the year 1900

Thanks. It is a different statement from the one I replied to, how ever

VinLieger

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Thanks. It is a different statement from the one I replied to, how ever

No its not the phrase turnout when used in relation to an election refers to the percentage of eligible voters who turned out and never the total number as you were inferring

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout

ILoveYourVibes

Its funny really if Trump had never run. People would still have thought of him as this successful business man.

I mean know the business man thing ..he had no control over his businesses obv ...that was just a constructed image for tv ..i mean he would run then into the ground.

But i mean ...he wasn't a joke.

But now they think of him as a fool. He is like a laughing stock.

He could have kept his previous image.

astrofool

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its funny really if Trump had never run. People would still have thought of him as this successful business man.

I mean know the business man thing ..he had no control over his businesses obv ...that was just a constructed image for tv ..i mean he would run then into the ground.

But i mean ...he wasn't a joke.

But now they think of him as a fool. He is like a laughing stock.

He could have kept his previous image.

Anyone that knew of trump before knew he was a pretty awful business man, he'd been failing for many years before the apprentice came along and rescued him.

~Rebel~

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its funny really if Trump had never run. People would still have thought of him as this successful business man.

I mean know the business man thing ..he had no control over his businesses obv ...that was just a constructed image for tv ..i mean he would run then into the ground.

But i mean ...he wasn't a joke.

But now they think of him as a fool. He is like a laughing stock.

He could have kept his previous image.

He's gonna make a lot more money now though. Well, presuming he doesn't go to jail first.

He's a shoe-in for some massive right wing news/commentary position.

All comes down to if he can buy enough time to sort his **** out, and not get taken to the cleaners in the aftermath of his presidency.

Water John

Was reading a lovely interview by Hadley Freeman with Michael J Fox. Rally amazed to hear that back in 1985, the villian Biff Tannen was based on Donald Trump;
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/oct/23/back-to-the-future-writer-bad-guy-biff-was-based-on-donald-trump

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/nov/21/michael-j-fox-every-step-now-is-a-frigging-math-problem-so-i-take-it-slow

Itssoeasy

Federal judge has tossed out the trump lawsuit over Pennsylvania election results. So much winning.

BonnieSituation

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Federal judge has tossed out the trump lawsuit over Pennsylvania election results. So much winning.

Just came in here to post it.

The judge was scathing.

CNN wrote:

"One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome [ie. the dumping of 7m votes], a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption, such that this Court would have no option but to regrettably grant the proposed injunctive relief despite the impact it would have on such a large group of citizens. That has not happened," Brann added. "Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence."

Federal judge dismisses Trump campaign Pennsylvania lawsuit

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/21/politics/federal-judge-dismisses-trump-pennsylvania-lawsuit/index.html

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So PA will be certified on Monday.

How many lawsuits are left?

Itssoeasy

I’m listening to the Americast podcast from bbc sounds and they are playing parts of the Giuliani press conference and him talking about the movie my cousin vinny(which I hadn’t heard).How dare he sully the name of Mona Lisa Vito and vinny Gambini.