Anyone notice the rollout of segregated alcohol in supermarkets?

Grant Stevens

Not sure if this is the place to mention this but I have noticed in some of my local supermarkets this week, a seemingly well organised rollout of gated/ segregated closing off of the alcohol section but no mention of it any where in the media. Looks as though it may be coordinated as communicated nationwide amongst retailers. Anyone else confirm this is happening in their area? Currently observed in Waterford.

With retailers currently barricading 'non-essential' aisles in supermarkets during lockdown, could these permanent structures that are being installed in alcohol aisles signal a more permanent use of the lockdown strategy in the future?

duffman13

Grant Stevens wrote: »

Not sure if this is the place to mention this but I have noticed in some of my local supermarkets this week, a seemingly well organised rollout of gated/ segregated closing off of the alcohol section but no mention of it any where in the media. Looks as though it may be coordinated as communicated nationwide amongst retailers. Anyone else confirm this is happening in their area? Currently observed in Waterford.

With retailers currently barricading 'non-essential' aisles in supermarkets during lockdown, could these permanent structures that are being installed in alcohol aisles signal a more permanent use of the lockdown strategy in the future?

No, other than the usual barricading of alcohol outside of legal trading hours (particularly sundays), I haven't noticed this and I would be in multiple stores daily due to work.

Nickla

Grant Stevens wrote: »

Not sure if this is the place to mention this but I have noticed in some of my local supermarkets this week, a seemingly well organised rollout of gated/ segregated closing off of the alcohol section but no mention of it any where in the media. Looks as though it may be coordinated as communicated nationwide amongst retailers. Anyone else confirm this is happening in their area? Currently observed in Waterford.

With retailers currently barricading 'non-essential' aisles in supermarkets during lockdown, could these permanent structures that are being installed in alcohol aisles signal a more permanent use of the lockdown strategy in the future?

Its nothing to do with Covid or lockdowns - its to do with the Public Health (alcohol) Act 2018 which comes into effect on the 12th november 2020.

ASOT

I have some tinfoil for sale if youv run out OP.

JustAThought

ASOT wrote: »

I have some tinfoil for sale if youv run out OP.

Newly implemented rules about when I can buy booze - when is it now? I’m used to the flight of mercy to the supermarket just before 10pm - am I going to have to start sprinting sooner? Please tell! I hate to be beaten by nanny state.

Grant Stevens

Nickla wrote: »

Its nothing to do with Covid or lockdowns - its to do with the Public Health (alcohol) Act 2018 which comes into effect on the 12th november 2020.

Ok, thank you for clarifying! That's good to hear. Sounds like they're implementing it at. the 11th hour lol

Grant Stevens

ASOT wrote: »

I have some tinfoil for sale if youv run out OP.

Leave it out.

con747

A lot of people saying they have found "saloon" type doors on the entrance and exit of alcohol aisles. A couple of threads mention them.

neris

Local Tesco has it in but neither of the Lidl branches close by have done anything

Grant Stevens

con747 wrote: »

A lot of people saying they have found "saloon" type doors on the entrance and exit of alcohol aisles. A couple of threads mention them.

Yes, that's what I've been seeing here at Aldi/ lIDL/ Dunnes. I didn't see the other threads, will take a look, thanks

What exactly do they think these doors will achieve?

Atlantic Dawn

con747 wrote: »

A lot of people saying they have found "saloon" type doors on the entrance and exit of alcohol aisles. A couple of threads mention them.

Yes spotted them in 2 Tesco stores, I thought they were supposed to segregate the aisle so there was no visibility of what was on sale?

On a side note I've noticed Tesco have placed the non-alcohol just beer outside the saloon doors. I was thinking there was far too much money being spent on making the non-alcohol beer look flash, there had to be a reason behind it.

bnt

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

What exactly do they think these doors will achieve?

Sounds like a “nudge” strategy, a bit of psychology: make the buyer feel that buying alcohol is “crossing a line” of some sort.

Grant Stevens

bnt wrote: »

Sounds like a “nudge” strategy, a bit of psychology: make the buyer feel that buying alcohol is “crossing a line” of some sort.

Spent many years in Australia, out there the supermarkets cannot sell booze. It's usually sold out of an adjoining 'liquor' store (liquorland/ dan murphys/ bottle 'o' etc.

Badly Drunk Boy

Nickla wrote: »

Its nothing to do with Covid or lockdowns - its to do with the Public Health (alcohol) Act 2018 which comes into effect on the 12th november 2020.

For anyone who doesn't know, this is what is coming in to effect next week:

From 12 November 2020:

Section 22: In mixed retail outlets alcohol products and advertising are confined to one of the following: an area separated by a 1.2 metre high barrier, or units in which alcohol products are not visible up to 1.5 metres height, or up to three units that can be a maximum of 1 metre wide by 2.2 metres high.

In addition, alcohol products can be contained but not be visible in a unit behind the counter.

elperello

Welcome to the brave new world of neo-prohibitionism.

humberklog

I was in one today in Tesco. You gotta push through barrier gates to get in. It's makes the alcohol aisles like a safe space playpen for grown ups. I like.

iamstop

Grant Stevens wrote: »

Spent many years in Australia, out there the supermarkets cannot sell booze. It's usually sold out of an adjoining 'liquor' store (liquorland/ dan murphys/ bottle 'o' etc.

Supermarkets here in Canada can't sell booze either. In Manitoba it's the Mantiboa Liquors and Lotteries or Beers Stores.
The beer stores can't sell wine or 'hard liquor', just beer, cider and alcopop type drinks. Plus they all have to be attached to a hotel. Kind of odd but it's been this way for years. Everyone here is just used to it.

KaneToad

It's no harm for us, as a society, to try to reduce our collective intake of alcohol. Whether removing alcohol from sight, and making it less normalised, is a successful exercise remains to be seen.

Worth a try...

Purple Mountain

It's not really much different from when they put the cigarettes into those non branded cupboards behind the counter so?

markjbloggs

KaneToad wrote: »

It's no harm for us, as a society, to try to reduce our collective intake of alcohol. Whether removing alcohol from sight, and making it less normalised, is a successful exercise remains to be seen.

Worth a try...

Just what we need right now - another lecture on what is good for us.

Feets

humberklog wrote: »

I was in one today in Tesco. You gotta push through barrier gates to get in. It's makes the alcohol aisles like a safe space playpen for grown ups. I like.

The tesco I go to moved it so you can access it easier and Im assuming earlier. It makes me happy because I shop early. No reason it should ever have been sectioned off right in the middle of the alcohol section.

KaneToad

KaneToad wrote: »

It's no harm for us, as a society, to try to reduce our collective intake of alcohol. Whether removing alcohol from sight, and making it less normalised, is a successful exercise remains to be seen.

Worth a try...

Nothing wrong with alcohol, just with the people who make everything an issue for themselves.

Larbre34

It's the stupidest bit of empty gesturing and virtue signalling I've seen in a while. Absolutely ridiculous.

Heineken Champions Cup, Guinness Pro14, Guinness 6 Nations etc etc

85603

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

What exactly do they think these doors will achieve?

increased ladder sales.

Strumms

Larbre34 wrote: »

It's the stupidest bit of empty gesturing and virtue signalling I've seen in a while. Absolutely ridiculous.

Heineken Champions Cup, Guinness Pro14, Guinness 6 Nations etc etc

100%...

More of this wankathon, virtue signaling absolute flakey, see through drivel.

a load of posturing hokey wokey bs. You need to walk through doors to enter a supermarket, walking through another set is fûck all of a deterrent to somebody who wants to buy alcohol. If they are going for the out of sight out of mind approach yet now anybody who sees the doors... ‘ ohhh the drink isle, might take a look out of curiosity ‘

neris

neris wrote: »

Local Tesco has it in but neither of the Lidl branches close by have done anything

All supermarkets must have them up by the 12th of this month.

Pauliedragon

Grant Stevens wrote: »

Spent many years in Australia, out there the supermarkets cannot sell booze. It's usually sold out of an adjoining 'liquor' store (liquorland/ dan murphys/ bottle 'o' etc.

That was more of a 3 way battle between the state government, the AHA, and the supermarkets. Supermarkets won, they just set up their own liquor shops and outpriced the pubs so the pubs with bottle shops attached lost out. Woolworths and westfarmers basically control the whole of the off license market. It didn't take them long to move in.

fonecrusher1

I literally only learned yesterday that you can't buy alcohol before 10.30am in supermarkets.

I was whistling intentionally loudly in the local Supervalu yesterday morning getting all the necessary items for a beef n stout stew and upon placing a cold can of Murphy's down on the checkout belt the check out lady croaked "its too early for the beer". I recoiled in horror momentarily interpreting this as some sort of personal insult when she quickly followed up with "we don't serve alcohol until half ten". Are you serious? says I. Yeah seriously says she.

I stormed off. (I didn't storm off, I just quietly left with the remaining shopping items)

MAJJ

humberklog wrote: »

I was in one today in Tesco. You gotta push through barrier gates to get in. It's makes the alcohol aisles like a safe space playpen for grown ups. I like.

Does it play dramatic music as you enter ?

whisky_galore

It's like the curtained-off area in the video store where "those sort of videos" were.

As mentioned above, virtue signalling twattery.

Women and children will burst into flames if they get a glimpse of inside the doors.

Gumbo

In the new year it will be rolled out that alcohol cannot be displayed. Similar to tobacco products.

Gumbo

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

I literally only learned yesterday that you can't buy alcohol before 10.30am in supermarkets.

I was whistling intentionally loudly in the local Supervalu yesterday morning getting all the necessary items for a beef n stout stew and upon placing a cold can of Murphy's down on the checkout belt the check out lady croaked "its too early for the beer". I recoiled in horror momentarily interpreting this as some sort of personal insult when she quickly followed up with "we don't serve alcohol until half ten". Are you serious? says I. Yeah seriously says she.

I stormed off. (I didn't storm off, I just quietly left with the remaining shopping items)

They follow the same rules as pubs and off licences. Has always been like that. They used to have to close for the holy hour on Sunday’s too.

Badly Drunk Boy

Larbre34 wrote: »

It's the stupidest bit of empty gesturing and virtue signalling I've seen in a while. Absolutely ridiculous.

Heineken Champions Cup, Guinness Pro14, Guinness 6 Nations etc etc

In the next stage (November 12th 2021) they are cutting back on advertising (but probably not sponsorship, unless it's a kids event).

From 12 November 2021:

· Section 15: A prohibition on alcohol advertising in or on a sports area during a sporting event;

at events aimed particularly at children, or at events in which most participants, or competitors, are children.

· Section 16: Alcohol sponsorship of events aimed at children, events which most participants, or competitors, are children and events involving driving or racing motor vehicles is prohibited.

elperello

MAJJ wrote: »

Does it play dramatic music as you enter ?

Yes this one -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jHr5JbTeRY

fonecrusher1

Gumbo wrote: »

They follow the same rules as pubs and off licences. Has always been like that. They used to have to close for the holy hour on Sunday’s too.

I never knew it. I suppose i've never had reason to get drink so early. For some reason I thought if the doors were open you could buy booze. I guess the partitioning of alcohol shelves in supermarkets is a good idea to avoid these situations.

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly

There will presumably be a Public Health (Processed Meats) Act in future.

elperello

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

I never knew it. I suppose i've never had reason to get drink so early. For some reason I thought if the doors were open you could buy booze.

Just a further word of warning - they don't serve drink until 12.30 on a Sunday.

Badly Drunk Boy

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

In the next stage (November 12th 2021) they are cutting back on advertising (but probably not sponsorship, unless it's a kids event).

so the "Barnie and Friends Summer Football Camp, brought to you in association with Jameson" will have to end?

Zaph

Gumbo wrote: »

In the new year it will be rolled out that alcohol cannot be displayed. Similar to tobacco products.

This is the biggest nonsense of the new law. If I were a smoker, I'd know what cigarettes I wanted to buy, so it's irrelevant whether they're on display or not, I'd just ask for my usual brand. But if I wanted to buy a bottle of wine or a few beers I want to be able to see what's available and make a decision based on the choice in front of me, in the same way I would buying a packet of biscuits, for example. Do the idiots who have brought in this law really think that not being able to see the bottles of cheap booze is going to put off the problem drinkers they're trying to target? What it's doing is penalising and inconveniencing the vast majority who are responsible drinkers by treating them like kids.

castletownman

Larbre34 wrote: »

It's the stupidest bit of empty gesturing and virtue signalling I've seen in a while. Absolutely ridiculous.

Heineken Champions Cup, Guinness Pro14, Guinness 6 Nations etc etc

Incidentally, all rugby competitions. Have never heard any outrage over their sponsorship though. Yet, Guinness' sponsorship of the hurling championship had to end as part of new legislature.

It shows rugby's relationship with alcohol I suppose.

elperello

Zaph wrote: »

This is the biggest nonsense of the new law. If I were a smoker, I'd know what cigarettes I wanted to buy, so it's irrelevant whether they're on display or not, I'd just ask for my usual brand. But if I wanted to buy a bottle of wine or a few beers I want to be able to see what's available and make a decision based on the choice in front of me, in the same way I would buying a packet of biscuits, for example. Do the idiots who have brought in this law really think that not being able to see the bottles of cheap booze is going to put off the problem drinkers they're trying to target? What it's doing is penalising and inconveniencing the vast majority who are responsible drinkers by treating them like kids.

I agree that these restrictions are nonsense but it's not going to be quite the same as cigarettes.

It's separation not concealment. You will be able to browse the stock.

When it is introduced Minimum Unit Pricing will seriously discriminate against responsible drinkers by making their bottles and cans more expensive.

Atlantic Dawn

What happens if you are shopping with your children with you, will they have to wait outside the area along with all the other children waiting?

elperello

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

What happens if you are shopping with your children with you, will they have to wait outside the area along with all the other children waiting?

Children won't be excluded from these areas.

Part of the rationale is to reduce the visibility of drink.

These neo-prohibitionists really do think that just looking at bottles on shelves will cause problems for our youth.

They are allowed into pubs and restaurants where "shock/horror" people are actually drinking.

Grant Stevens

When we were kids growing up in the 80s, my brother and I were often passed off to an auntie or an uncle on a Saturday to be 'minded'. This sometimes meant an afternoon in the pub, being ployed with Big Bother Red Lemonade and Kp peanuts.

A few years ago my younger brother recollected to me how he remembered the pubs used to leave peanuts on the tables for patrons, how nice that was. He was horrified when I told him that the pubs never did that in Ireland, but I do remember sucking the salt off the peanuts and leaving the nut in the Ash tray. He was disgusted

mdwexford

This is so fcuking dumb. I detest this country sometimes.

elperello

mdwexford wrote: »

This is so fcuking dumb. I detest this country sometimes.

And all of this went through the Dail and the Senate with the full support of all the parties.

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

On a side note I've noticed Tesco have placed the non-alcohol just beer outside the saloon doors.

N/A beer, even the stuff with 0.00% ABV is still subjected to the 10 pm rule. I tried buying a few N/A beers on Sunday at 12:00 and I was refused the sale.

Atlantic Dawn

In Spain you can buy €1 litre bottles of San Miguel beer in your local Dealz...
https://dealz.es/cerveza-san-miguel/

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

In Spain you can buy €1 litre bottles of San Miguel beer in your local Dealz...
https://dealz.es/cerveza-san-miguel/

Does Spain have nanny state cut off times?