Anyone notice the rollout of segregated alcohol in supermarkets?

Atlantic Dawn

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

Does Spain have nanny state cut off times?

It is regionalised based on what the local government decide, some touristy places it's 10pm, some no restriction.

sligojoek

KaneToad wrote: »

It's no harm for us, as a society, to try to reduce our collective intake of alcohol. Whether removing alcohol from sight, and making it less normalised, is a successful exercise remains to be seen.

Worth a try...

It worked a treat with tobacco products. Drive by any secondary school at lunchtime and you'll see what i mean

Strumms

mdwexford wrote: »

This is so fcuking dumb. I detest this country sometimes.

Agreed , I’ve found myself saying it with too much regularity over the last while.

km991148

Strumms wrote: »

100%...

More of this wankathon, virtue signaling absolute flakey, see through drivel.

a load of posturing hokey wokey bs. You need to walk through doors to enter a supermarket, walking through another set is fûck all of a deterrent to somebody who wants to buy alcohol. If they are going for the out of sight out of mind approach yet now anybody who sees the doors... ‘ ohhh the drink isle, might take a look out of curiosity ‘

Or just a little bit of well intentioned harm reduction?

Calm down everyone..

km991148

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

Does Spain have nanny state cut off times?

What's Spain, another sovereign country, got to do with Ireland?

Is Spain the comparable to Ireland? I think if you wanted to compare your be better of with the UK in this regard. Similar drinking culture good and bad.. but even then, comparison is kinda futile.

sligojoek

Grant Stevens wrote: »

When we were kids growing up in the 80s, my brother and I were often passed off to an auntie or an uncle on a Saturday to be 'minded'. This sometimes meant an afternoon in the pub, being ployed with Big Bother Red Lemonade and Kp peanuts.

A few years ago my younger brother recollected to me how he remembered the pubs used to leave peanuts on the tables for patrons, how nice that was. He was horrified when I told him that the pubs never did that in Ireland, but I do remember sucking the salt off the peanuts and leaving the nut in the Ash tray. He was disgusted

I worked in pubs in England in the 80s. That was a big thing on a Sunday morning/lunchtime shift. Bowls of salty nuts, bacon fries and pretzel type things. The idea was to put a "thirst" on a crowd of hungover Paddies. They needn't have bothered.

Del2005

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

What happens if you are shopping with your children with you, will they have to wait outside the area along with all the other children waiting?

They won't sell you the alcohol at the tills. More nanny state rules, if the store thinks the alcohol will be consumed by a minor they can't sell it.

km991148

Del2005 wrote: »

They won't sell you the alcohol at the tills. More nanny state rules, if the store thinks the alcohol will be consumed by a minor they can't sell it.

In fairness the 'nanny state' do have a vested interest in reducing the cost associated with alcohol consumption... Are you trying to be obtuse about this? It's not like it's hard to get a drink in Ireland ffs..

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

km991148 wrote: »

What's Spain, another sovereign country, got to do with Ireland?

Is Spain the comparable to Ireland? I think if you wanted to compare your be better of with the UK in this regard. Similar drinking culture good and bad.. but even then, comparison is kinda futile.

Sorry teacher. I'll think about what I did

thomas 123

Alcohol can be bad, but what they really need to get a tackle on is gambling advertising, RTE seems to run constant ads for that devils work.

Strumms

Aegir wrote: »

so the "Barnie and Friends Summer Football Camp, brought to you in association with Jameson" will have to end?

They’ll have a Jameson and friends summer camp, brought to you, in association with Barney..

martingriff

Del2005 wrote: »

They won't sell you the alcohol at the tills. More nanny state rules, if the store thinks the alcohol will be consumed by a minor they can't sell it.

That is not just Ireland happened to my mother in Britian and the USA because not all had ID

GT89

Grant Stevens wrote: »

Spent many years in Australia, out there the supermarkets cannot sell booze. It's usually sold out of an adjoining 'liquor' store (liquorland/ dan murphys/ bottle 'o' etc.

Some Tesco and Dunnes used to be like that. The Tesco in Stillorgan has a separate off licence although it now you buy alcohol in the main supermarket same with the Dunnes in Cornelscourt and the off licence in the Tesco in Sandymount used to have it's own separate door with it's own till but is joined up with the rest of the shop.

beachhead

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

I literally only learned yesterday that you can't buy alcohol before 10.30am in supermarkets.

I was whistling intentionally loudly in the local Supervalu yesterday morning getting all the necessary items for a beef n stout stew and upon placing a cold can of Murphy's down on the checkout belt the check out lady croaked "its too early for the beer". I recoiled in horror momentarily interpreting this as some sort of personal insult when she quickly followed up with "we don't serve alcohol until half ten". Are you serious? says I. Yeah seriously says she.

I stormed off. (I didn't storm off, I just quietly left with the remaining shopping items)

That has always been the law since shops were allowed sell alcohol.The shops are allowed same hours as pubs but they should close the alco sales one hour before pubs(a lot don't).I've see Alcos demanding their rights at 10pm on a Sunday.Try knocking on your offie door before 10.30am.Try buying it on a Sunday before 12.30pm .Tell me.

Atlantic Dawn

thomas 123 wrote: »

Alcohol can be bad, but what they really need to get a tackle on is gambling advertising, RTE seems to run constant ads for that devils work.

And Lottery ads too, it's as bad.

bigpink

Righty so you cant move in places for offers of drink

twowheelsonly

sligojoek wrote: »

It worked a treat with tobacco products. Drive by any secondary school at lunchtime and you'll see what i mean

Teens / Schoolkids smoking isn't a fraction of what it used to be though.
There'll always be a few but these days they're a small minority.

topper75

KaneToad wrote: »

It's no harm for us, as a society, to try to reduce our collective intake of alcohol. Whether removing alcohol from sight, and making it less normalised, is a successful exercise remains to be seen.

Worth a try...

What exactly are we trying?

"Yeah I fancied a bottle of red, but they got those damned saloon doors. I think I'll leave it. Lemonade it is." said nobody ever.

It is more 'be seen to be doing something' government stuff, providing a purposeless inconvenience to people.

neris

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

In Spain you can buy €1 litre bottles of San Miguel beer in your local Dealz...
https://dealz.es/cerveza-san-miguel/

Or a pint and a Big Mac

mdwexford

thomas 123 wrote: »

Alcohol can be bad, but what they really need to get a tackle on is gambling advertising, RTE seems to run constant ads for that devils work.

More nannying.

If you don’t want to gamble then ignore the ad and don’t. Pretty simple.

sbsquarepants

topper75 wrote: »

What exactly are we trying?

"Yeah I fancied a bottle of red, but they got those damned saloon doors. I think I'll leave it. Lemonade it is." said nobody ever.

It is more 'be seen to be doing something' government stuff, providing a purposeless inconvenience to people.

Exactly - shít like this does precisely nothing to deter problem drinkers, just like the 10pm nonsense, all it does is annoy everyone else.

Does any really think even 1 single alco ever looked at their watch and said "Shít, it's 5 past ten, i suppose i'll just have a coffee"

thomas 123

mdwexford wrote: »

More nannying.

If you don’t want to gamble then ignore the ad and don’t. Pretty simple.

My point being why clamp down on fags and drink but leave something equally as bad(if not worse), I personally feel rte should not be taking advertisements from bookies, the same way I think RTE shouldn’t have ads from sex chat lines.

KaneToad

markjbloggs wrote: »

Just what we need right now - another lecture on what is good for us.

Some people find the truth uncomfortable. Some are just unaware.

The health impact of alcohol consumption in Ireland:

88 deaths every month in Ireland are directly attributable to alcohol.

One in four deaths of young men aged 15-39 in Ireland is due to alcohol.

There are almost twice as many deaths due to alcohol in Ireland as due to all other drugs combined.

Alcohol was implicated in 1 in 3 (137) of all poisoning deaths in 2013, more than any other single drug, and alcohol poisoning alone claimed one life each week.
900 people in Ireland are diagnosed with alcohol-related cancers and around 500 people die from these diseases every year.

One in eight female breast cancer diagnosis in Ireland are directly attributable to alcohol.

Alcohol is a factor in half of all suicides in Ireland.

Alcohol is also involved in over a third of cases of deliberate self-harm, peaking around weekends and public holidays.

Drink-driving is a factor in two fifths of all deaths on Irish roads.

Alcohol is a factor in one third of all drownings in Ireland.

More than one in four of those attending accident and emergency departments have alcohol”‘related injuries, almost half of which occurred to people aged under 30.

Alcohol is a factor in one in four traumatic brain injuries.

Alcohol is a factor in 80% of cases of patients admitted to neurosurgery units following an assault.
Chronic alcohol-related conditions are becoming increasingly common among young age groups.

Alcoholic liver disease (ALD) rates are increasing rapidly in Ireland and the greatest level of increase is among 15-to-34-year-olds, who historically had the lowest rates of liver disease.

Analysis of data from Ireland’s Hospital In-Patient Enquiry (HIPE) scheme showed that the rate of ALD discharges increased by 247% for 15 to 34-year-olds and by 224% for 35 to 49-year-olds between 1995 and 2007.

Alcohol-related admissions to acute hospitals doubled between 1995 and 2008.

Alcohol-related deaths also increased during the same period, from 3.8 deaths per 100,000 to 7.1 deaths per 100,000.

St Vincent’s Hospital in Dublin saw a 335pc increase in admissions with alcoholic liver disease between 1995 and 2010.

Over 14,000 people were admitted to the liver unit in St Vincent’s Hospital for the treatment of alcohol dependence in 2011.

Every day, 1,500 beds in our hospitals are occupied by people with alcohol-related problems.

If these new measures in supermarkets help reduce our alcohol consumption, it can only be a positive. If.

KungPao

^ I’d say a good chunk of these people are the absolute no hopers who’d drink turpentine and hand santizer to keep the shakes away. No amount of saloon doors will stop them killing themselves.

Though the “it’s Wine o’clock” ladies would really want to watch out too, get the feeling there are loads of alco women, who think nothing of swigging a bottle of Sauvignon Blanc per night.

castletownman

KungPao wrote: »

^ I’d say a good chunk of these people are the absolute no hopers who’d drink turpentine and hand santizer to keep the shakes away. No amount of saloon doors will stop them killing themselves.

Though the “it’s Wine o’clock” ladies would really want to watch out too, get the feeling there are loads of alco women, who think nothing of swigging a bottle of Sauvignon Blanc per night.

Seen one in my local Tesco a couple of weeks ago with her phone resting between he shoulder and ear talking away while casually stockpiling one of those smaller trolleys with at least six bottles of wine. I didn't see any other item in the trolley.

Made me feel slightly better in myself for getting a slab of beer that I will tap into occasionally.

speckle

I dislike when people blame alcohol like the above long list. It is people we are talking about. So the question should really be what drives indidivuals to over consume alchol reguarily. The research is there. Some show a possible familial genteic disposition , others it is the dysfunctional family or personal issues that have never been resolved. Why isnt the money being put where it is needed in alchol counselling and rehab? There have been also many new treatments that have come online in the last decade including new harm reduction models.
Banning/restricting alcohol without the other is just sticking a plaster over the original wound.

neris

castletownman wrote: »

Seen one in my local Tesco a couple of weeks ago with her phone resting between he shoulder and ear talking away while casually stockpiling one of those smaller trolleys with at least six bottles of wine. I didn't see any other item in the trolley.

Made me feel slightly better in myself for getting a slab of beer that I will tap into occasionally.

In fairness to Tesco theyve had some decent 6 for €50 & 6 for €40 deals on.

Tails142

Scarcity just creates panic buying and stock piling. Anyone caught looking for a few cans by the 10pm curfew never makes that mistake again, sitting on a few cases of beer just in case. There's never been so much booze in my house, and with best before dates fast approaching I'm going to have to start gargling it.

If it was going to hurt their business do you think the massive drinks companies with all their lobbying power would allow these sort of measures to come to pass? Their market research and consumer behavior studies tells them people buy more and drink more at home and it's a more profitable channel for them to sell into. This is great for their business.

dxhound2005

I don't think there is any danger of a scarcity of drink in Ireland.

The National Income and Expenditure Annual Results show that €7.447 billion was spent on alcoholic beverages (including pubs) in 2018.

That's about €2,000 for every adult.

Gregor Samsa

Is there still the lads with the stalls selling newspapers on O'Connell street in Dublin that do the sneaky flagons of cider at 4 in the morning?
Lifesavers, they were, when you were between Fibbers and someone's gaff.

valoren

So it's likely an attempt to gently dissuade people from drinking? Yet you go home and watch TV and there's a Smithwicks Ad with a Pint parodying Julia Roberts by saying "I'm just a Pint, standing in front of you, asking you to drink me".

JustAThought

Grant Stevens wrote: »

When we were kids growing up in the 80s, my brother and I were often passed off to an auntie or an uncle on a Saturday to be 'minded'. This sometimes meant an afternoon in the pub, being ployed with Big Bother Red Lemonade and Kp peanuts.

A few years ago my younger brother recollected to me how he remembered the pubs used to leave peanuts on the tables for patrons, how nice that was. He was horrified when I told him that the pubs never did that in Ireland, but I do remember sucking the salt off the peanuts and leaving the nut in the Ash tray. He was disgusted

I beg to differ! During the summer holidays ehen rovings bands of kids would be ‘minded’ in the pubs in the likes of summer seatowns, ‘quality’ pubs would leave troughs of peanuts out. Bizarrely, always in ‘clean’ ashtrays.Happy memories. As well as collections of beermats!

Will this barricading and blindfolding of the weak extend to the Dáil bar? And will they make them pay cash each time or will they still let themselves run up an annual bar tab? Because they’re worth it ...

Personally I find myself buying more to have it handy just in case someone drips over or I need to be sociable. Lets face it - at e6 a bottle for Australian shiraz in Lidl ( and its lovely) why wpild I run the gauntlet at 10pm when I can be huddled up from 7 having a cosy drink. No point in waiting til I need it of the govt is going to P**** around with me whilst keeping a taxpayer subsidised private bar going IN WORk for themselves while they pass these riduculous laws

Strumms

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

And Lottery ads too, it's as bad.

Paddy Power, Mr green, 888.... bookmakers

A few sensible bets do no harm, neither do a few drinks consumed in moderation.

mdwexford

mdwexford wrote: »

More nannying.

If you don’t want to gamble then ignore the ad and don’t. Pretty simple.

More people need to get their heads around this idea regarding a lot of things. Always looking someone else to blame.

ohnonotgmail

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Is there still the lads with the stalls selling newspapers on O'Connell street in Dublin that do the sneaky flagons of cider at 4 in the morning?
Lifesavers, they were, when you were between Fibbers and someone's gaff.

wait, what? how did i never know that?

Spanish Eyes

This is designed to embarrass people going through the saloon doors to the Grotto of Alcohol. But no one will care in the end.

The more we don't care about it and shrug it off the better imv. Useless project.

Allinall

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

What exactly do they think these doors will achieve?

They keep out the draught.

Gregor Samsa

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

wait, what? how did i never know that?

Secret knowledge. They’d be set up very early for the first editions of the Sunday papers. But they’d have a stash of flagons of Linden Village under their crates. Charged a bit of a premium, but you wouldn’t be complaining when you wanted to keep the session going at that ungodly hour.

Gregor Samsa

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

This is designed to embarrass people going through the saloon doors to the Grotto of Alcohol. But no one will care in the end.

Now that I’m hidden behind a mask, I’m not embarrassed by anything I do in the supermarket any more. Buying quiches and everything.

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

Allinall wrote: »

They keep out the draught.

Atlantic Dawn

I have to say when you go through the saloon doors the first thing you want to do is take your hands out of your pockets and do a fake gun draw with your hands, it feels like you are in the wild west.

Heart Break Kid

Grant Stevens wrote: »

Not sure if this is the place to mention this but I have noticed in some of my local supermarkets this week, a seemingly well organised rollout of gated/ segregated closing off of the alcohol section but no mention of it any where in the media. Looks as though it may be coordinated as communicated nationwide amongst retailers. Anyone else confirm this is happening in their area? Currently observed in Waterford.

With retailers currently barricading 'non-essential' aisles in supermarkets during lockdown, could these permanent structures that are being installed in alcohol aisles signal a more permanent use of the lockdown strategy in the future?

Nothing to do with COVID but actually to with retailers not being allowed to sell and promote alcohol in the same section as food.

It’s been on the cards past 2 years with Tesco and Aldi doing a lot of refits.

Source: insider knowledge.

GT89

Heart Break Kid wrote: »

Nothing to do with COVID but actually to with retailers not being allowed to sell and promote alcohol in the same section as food.

It’s been on the cards past 2 years with Tesco and Aldi doing a lot of refits.

Source: insider knowledge.

Would this apply to standalone off licences that sell things like crisps and minerals in addition to alcohol? Also places like Spar and Centra which sell alcohol but probably wouldn't have the space to segragate it from the rest of the shop.

Shops already are required to as much as possible segragate alcohol from groceries. For example they can't have slabs of guiness in with the nappies or the cereal. They are not allowed put it in a place where you have to walk through the booze section to get to something else either but there is some common sense apllied if it's small shop.

KaneToad

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

More people need to get their heads around this idea regarding a lot of things. Always looking someone else to blame.

All joking aside some people are just not very intelligent. Some people are not very good at coping. Some people are not capable of long term thinking. Some people have brain chemistry that encourages overly risky behaviour.

I think it's reasonable that we should do all we can to help these people. It's better for all of us if we do. Leaving these people off to do whatever they like can have disastrous consequences for them/their families and eventually our society.

KaneToad

KaneToad wrote: »

All joking aside some people are just not very intelligent. Some people are not very good at coping. Some people are not capable of long term thinking. Some people have brain chemistry that encourages overly risky behaviour.

I think it's reasonable that we should do all we can to help these people. It's better for all of us if we do. Leaving these people off to do whatever they like can have disastrous consequences for them/their families and eventually our society.

No, the mongs should never determine what can or can’t be done by the rest.

elperello

KaneToad wrote: »

All joking aside some people are just not very intelligent. Some people are not very good at coping. Some people are not capable of long term thinking. Some people have brain chemistry that encourages overly risky behaviour.

I think it's reasonable that we should do all we can to help these people. It's better for all of us if we do. Leaving these people off to do whatever they like can have disastrous consequences for them/their families and eventually our society.

I agree that people who need help should get it.

At the same time I don't see how interfering with my shopping experience and making me pay more for my drink will help them.

beachhead

GT89 wrote: »

Would this apply to standalone off licences that sell things like crisps and minerals in addition to alcohol? Also places like Spar and Centra which sell alcohol but probably wouldn't have the space to segragate it from the rest of the shop.

Shops already are required to as much as possible segragate alcohol from groceries. For example they can't have slabs of guiness in with the nappies or the cereal. They are not allowed put it in a place where you have to walk through the booze section to get to something else either but there is some common sense apllied if it's small shop.

It applies to all alcohol sales regardless of premises

DilD

Honestly, the obsession with making alcohol out to be the root of all evil in this country and adding silly restrictions to how and when we can buy is just crazy at this stage. It's not an illegal substance, why are we treating it like one. Other countries don't have such restrictions and they mange perfectly. Making it illegal to buy a beer in a shop after 10pm is hilarious, what are they achieving only losing out on taxable euros. No-ones business if we want to wake up at 4am and go down Tescos for a can of lager. Yet we can go stuff our faces all day long on Big Macs and the likes and suffer all kinds of health problems from fast food, but that's ok, makes sense alright. I'm ranting now!

I don't believe it's the governments responsibility to determine when we can and can't buy a can of beer, it's not their jobs to try stop those who abuse alcohol so they need to stop acting like it is.

Atlantic Dawn

Dunnes and Aldi now have them too.

sligojoek

sligojoek wrote: »

It worked a treat with tobacco products. Drive by any secondary school at lunchtime and you'll see what i mean

Theyre all at the vaping isnt it

Don't approve of the new saloons