Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

namloc1980

Trump spent months telling his own voters not to use mail-in and to only show up in person etc. and in fairness he got a big turnout.

But to then feign shock that the overwhelming majority of mail-in votes cast were for your opponent who actively encouraged his voters to vote by mail is absolutely comical. I see the MAGA devotees online and on here are lapping it up though.

ScrubsfanChris

Genuine question, why are states like Nevada with comparatively smaller populations taking so much longer get the count it?

MrStuffins

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I think we can all agree on one thing, turning up at a Polling station on the day and marking a piece of paper with pen or pencil will always be the best way to do things.

That you Donald?

yourdeadwright

What the story with Arizona ? Can anyone fill us in

seenitall

jill_valentine wrote: »

The thing is, I'm gay with a load of friends in America. So I can't really enjoy all this the way I do Eurovision or something because whats on the ballot is whether somebody gets free rein to make the lives of people like me worse. Like, just tangibly, physically worse every day.

And I'm 35, I can tell you from experience that whether we like it or not Irish politics and society takes a lot of cues from the US, so everyday life in Ireland is tangibly crummier for a lot of people like me when somebody like Trump is centre stage in the US. It's not an abstract thing, it has a tangible effect on how people here behave towards people in minority groups.

I totally appreciate the fantasy football aspect to it, but watching an American election feels like the shotgun roulette thing from Saw for a lot of people. It sets the tone for the next four years of ~discourse all over the English speaking world, and real people do have to bear the brunt of it when it goes sour in very real ways.

Wow. If this is true, then the English-speaking world has my deepest sympathies. No matter who wins, the US isn’t going anywhere good for the foreseeable, especially in social terms. It is becoming an example of how not to do things if you want a happy, united and successful nation. (And even the word ‘becoming’ there is debatable.)

super_furry

Any sign of Mexico paying for that wall yet lads?

Eric Cartman

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Genuine question, why are states like Nevada with comparatively smaller populations taking so much longer get the count it?

they're very disperse, boxes could be in transit from hundreds of miles, less counting staff, not electronic votes etc... a lot of reasons.

pearcider

threeball wrote: »

Do you want some cheese with that whine.

You won’t be saying that when Bidens warmongering starts world war 3.

Penn

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Genuine question, why are states like Nevada with comparatively smaller populations taking so much longer get the count it?

Different states have different rules, even down to when counting can actually start. Nevada in particular allow mail-in ballots which are only sent on Election day which means they might not receive them to count them for a few days later.

namloc1980

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I think we can all agree on one thing, turning up at a Polling station on the day and marking a piece of paper with pen or pencil will always be the best way to do things.

We get conspiracy theorists on the Irish election threads on here too claiming ballot box stuffing / extra ballot boxes being brought to count centres etc.

Sierra Oscar

yourdeadwright wrote: »

What the story with Arizona ? Can anyone fill us in

The reported count was 98% but its actually 86%.

Everyone assumed Trump couldn't close the gap given the reported count. However, this is what is transpiring on the ground.

https://twitter.com/thechrisbuskirk/status/1323999972610564096

Now it would still be big ask for Trump to close the gap, but it is possible.

B.A._Baracus

froog wrote: »

the trump supporters are a absolute disgrace. take the loss with some dignity. stop buying the bull**** trump is feeding. he is a pathological liar.

Trump is right. Why admit defeat. I know you could say that's wrong but I have met many a person in this world who refused to admit they were wrong.

jill_valentine

namloc1980 wrote: »

Trump spent months telling his own voters not to use mail-in and to only show up in person etc. and in fairness he got a big turnout.

But to then feign shock that the overwhelming majority of mail-in votes cast were for your opponent who actively encouraged his voters to vote by mail is absolutely comical. I see the MAGA devotees online and on here are lapping it up though.

I think it backfired twofold because they've spent so long making in-person voting harder that would-be in-person Rs had discouragement would-be mail-in Ds didn't.

extra gravy

pearcider wrote: »

You won’t be saying that when Bidens warmongering starts world war 3.

Think he'll be too busy cleaning up Donald's mess to go to war with anyone.

cnocbui

super_furry wrote: »

Any sign of Mexico paying for that wall yet lads?

Shhhh... They used the money to dig great big tunnels they used to smuggle in millions of illegal voters.

Junkyard Tom

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

States where Trump won easily voting for $15 min-wage and legalising weed. A weird combination of voting for that Turnip and ostensibly liberal policies.

Mississippi approve a new state flag (70%) that retires former Confederate battle symbol and vote strongly for Trump too.

crossman47

RWCNT wrote: »

Not even slightly indicative of reality. Are the vast majority of people fascists or communists now? Of course not. The vast majority of people's political views range from centre left to centre right.

And in US from somewhat right to extreme right (except for Bernie Sanders fans)

Richard Hillman

namloc1980 wrote: »

We get conspiracy therapists on the Irish election threads on here too claiming ballot box stuffing / extra ballot boxes being brought to count centres etc.

Ah we get nowhere near what they get in the US and some of the stuff you hear about in the UK with +100% turnout. Our conspiracy theories stop at use a Pen, not a pencil :pac:

ShooterSF

froog wrote: »

the trump supporters are a absolute disgrace. take the loss with some dignity. stop buying the bull**** trump is feeding. he is a pathological liar.

The problem is if you start with the premises that Trump is a pathological liar and that the people who voted for him believe him, then you have to assume they are brainwashed, or whatever term you want to use, by him. Now before anyone jumps down my throat all I'm saying is IF you believe the first two THEN you should believe the third.
I feel like that's where you (and myself and many others) are, but you then can't logically expect these people to take the loss when he is crying foul.

CtevenSrowder

jill_valentine wrote: »

The thing is, I'm gay with a load of friends in America. So I can't really enjoy all this the way I do Eurovision or something because whats on the ballot is whether somebody gets free rein to make the lives of people like me worse. Like, just tangibly, physically worse every day.

And I'm 35, I can tell you from experience that whether we like it or not Irish politics and society takes a lot of cues from the US, so everyday life in Ireland is tangibly crummier for a lot of people like me when somebody like Trump is centre stage in the US. It's not an abstract thing, it has a tangible effect on how people here behave towards people in minority groups.

I totally appreciate the fantasy football aspect to it, but watching an American election feels like the shotgun roulette thing from Saw for a lot of people. It sets the tone for the next four years of ~discourse all over the English speaking world, and real people do have to bear the brunt of it when it goes sour in very real ways.

Can you give an example of these tangible effects please?

ExMachina1000

super_furry wrote: »

Any sign of Mexico paying for that wall yet lads?

That is so 2016. Lads

It's a new era. A Biden presidency. I would have preferred a Trump win but it's not to be.

Chris_Heilong

Regardless of fraud I dont think it will be proved so I would say Biden has it, At the very least we can say the polls were wrong once again claiming a Biden destroy Trump.

jill_valentine

seenitall wrote: »

Wow. If this is true, then the English-speaking world has my deepest sympathies. No matter who wins, the US isn’t going anywhere good for the foreseeable, especially in social terms. It is becoming an example of how not to do things if you want a happy, united and successful nation. (And even the word ‘becoming’ there is debatable.)

You're right to a certain extent, but communities who have been traditional whipping boys come to appreciate the idea of harm reduction. If America's President was yer man from West Wing we'd all be better off, but in the meantime I'll gladly have the guy who isn't the patron saint of psychopaths.

SeaBreezes

namloc1980 wrote: »

Trump spent months telling his own voters not to use mail-in and to only show up in person etc. and in fairness he got a big turnout.

But to then feign shock that the overwhelming majority of mail-in votes cast were for your opponent who actively encouraged his voters to vote by mail is absolutely comical. I see the MAGA devotees online and on here are lapping it up though.

Yeah Republicans have been trying to 'fix' the mail vote for a while. Interesting thread here.


https://twitter.com/johnkruzel/status/1324004554485211136?s=20


ALSO:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/u-s-postal-service-benches-its-police-officers-before-election-11602862096

Eric Cartman

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The reported count was 98% but its actually 86%.

Everyone assumed Trump couldn't close the gap given the reported count. However, this is what is transpiring on the ground.

https://twitter.com/thechrisbuskirk/status/1323999972610564096

Now it would still be big ask for Trump to close the gap, but it is possible.

AZ, PA looking like a narrow win path

eviltimeban

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The reported count was 98% but its actually 86%.

Everyone assumed Trump couldn't close the gap given the reported count. However, this is what is transpiring on the ground.

https://twitter.com/thechrisbuskirk/status/1323999972610564096

Now it would still be big ask for Trump to close the gap, but it is possible.

This makes me nervous.

gmisk

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I think we can all agree on one thing, turning up at a Polling station on the day and marking a piece of paper with pen or pencil will always be the best way to do things.

It shouldn't be.

Postal voting should be reliable and non controversial.

It really doesn't help that people like Trump's mate louis Dejoy did his best to hobble the UPS, or states deciding to close huge numbers of polling places, especially in areas with more minorities

E.g. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-polling-sites-closures-voting

4.7 million people with one drop off location
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/11/texas-ballot-drop-off-locations/
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/13/923216392/u-s-appeals-court-sides-with-texas-on-one-per-county-ballot-drop-off

arctictree

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Trump is right. Why admit defeat. I know you could say that's wrong but I have met many a person in this world who refused to admit they were wrong.

Problem is that doesn't someone in the Trump camp have to advise the president to concede. Who is going to be that person and keep their job?!

namloc1980

pearcider wrote: »

You won’t be saying that when Bidens warmongering starts world war 3.

Biden hasn't even won yet and we've already seen claims that he'll:

- start World War 3
- introduce devastating policies that will destroy the economy whilst simultaneously being a lame duck and getting nothing down
- die before inauguration while also resigning in the next 2 years to let Kamala take over
- turn the United States into a Marxist socialist state
- make the coronavirus go away while also making it worse

Fooking hell, he's going to be a busy man and all this while suffering from dementia! Some man in fairness.

pjohnson

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Mississippi approve a new state flag (70%) that retires former Confederate battle symbol and vote strongly for Trump too.

Apparently North Dakota elected a Republican Trump supporter to the Senate. He died of covid in October.

Voted Bigly for Trump.