Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

Eric Cartman

gmisk wrote: »

It shouldn't be.

Postal voting should be reliable and non controversial.

It really doesn't help that people like Trump's mate louis Dejoy did his best to hobble the UPS, or states deciding to close huge numbers of polling places, especially in areas with more minorities

E.g. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-polling-sites-closures-voting

4.7 million people with one drop off location
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/11/texas-ballot-drop-off-locations/
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/13/923216392/u-s-appeals-court-sides-with-texas-on-one-per-county-ballot-drop-off

Only the guardian would write a headline like that in Texas... I'm sure many many more white people on rural farms etc.. are impacted, but they always go after the sacred cow there...

y0ssar1an22

namloc1980 wrote: »

Biden hasn't even won yet and we've already seen claims that he'll:

- start World War 3
- introduce devastating policies that will destroy the economy whilst simultaneously being a lame duck and getting nothing down
- die before inauguration while also resigning in the next 2 years to let Kamala take over
- turn the United States into a Marxist socialist state
- make the coronavirus go away while also making it worse

Fooking hell, he's going to be a busy man and all this while suffering from dementia! Some man in fairness.

what policies do you expect of him?

Richard Hillman

I think what we have learned over the last 24 hours is that there is definitely a market for an Election Channel. Lots of fancy graphics, touch screen TVs, paths to victory, coalition possibilities. New elections every week, Slovenia, Paraguay and the Council Elections from Napal. I'd watch it.

Sierra Oscar

Eric Cartman wrote: »

AZ, PA looking like a narrow win path

It's hard to know what exactly is happening in Arizona. CNN haven't discussed it in at least a couple of hours. There's definitely a lot of uncertainty. Still though, Biden has a decent margin. It would be some performance if Trump caught up, I think unlikely but possible.

Junkyard Tom

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

States where Trump won easily voting for $15 min-wage and legalising weed. A weird combination of voting for that Turnip and ostensibly liberal policies.

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Mississippi approve a new state flag (70%) that retires former Confederate battle symbol and vote strongly for Trump too.

Oregon votes to legalise possession of all drugs. So, in a general sense, the US is eschewing failed right-wing policies while Trump's vote remains strong.

Call Me Jimmy

eviltimeban wrote: »

This makes me nervous.

It should somewhat depending where the remaining vote is. The way it was called last night was weird which I said at the time. It's still a long shot obviously

B.A._Baracus

Why do they keep calling biden the "vice president" - even weeks ago leading up to this.
Yes was the vice president .. not anymore

ExMachina1000

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Only the guardian would write a headline like that in Texas... I'm sure many many more white people on rural farms etc.. are impacted, but they always go after the sacred cow there...

The guardian is a very low standard organisation. I see they are back to begging for donations again.

Always divisive but never manage to stand out.

Eric Cartman

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Why do they keep calling biden the "vice president" - even weeks ago leading up to this.
Yes was the vice president .. not anymore

the title stays.

at the bush house it would be mr president, mr president and Jeb.

RobitTV

Update from Trump campaign:

They argue they will
- Win Pennsylvania by 40k-ish votes
- Win Arizona by 30k-ish votes
- Nevada by 5k-10k

namloc1980

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Yeah Republicans have been trying to 'fix' the mail vote for a while. Interesting thread here.


https://twitter.com/johnkruzel/status/1324004554485211136?s=20


ALSO:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/u-s-postal-service-benches-its-police-officers-before-election-11602862096

Now that's actual voter suppression that would disproportionately affect Biden voters.

Giblet

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The reported count was 98% but its actually 86%.

Everyone assumed Trump couldn't close the gap given the reported count. However, this is what is transpiring on the ground.

https://twitter.com/thechrisbuskirk/status/1323999972610564096

Now it would still be big ask for Trump to close the gap, but it is possible.

Why do you quote random dudes on the net, read his previous tweets, as if he is an authority on anything. 80% WI he said. 80%!

Achebe

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Why do they keep calling biden the "vice president" - even weeks ago leading up to this.
Yes was the vice president .. not anymore

It's common practice to refer to form presidents and vice president's that way in the US.

jill_valentine

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Why do they keep calling biden the "vice president" - even weeks ago leading up to this.
Yes was the vice president .. not anymore

It's a weird quirk of US politics, the title is retained even after office. So for example, Trump will still be referred to as President Trump for the rest of his life.

RobitTV

The latest plot twist comes from Arizona, which had reportedly counted 95%+ of its votes. NYT notes that "due to an error in an Edison Research data feed of results ... the actual estimate is that 86% of the vote has been counted."

This gives some credence to the Trump camp's argument in a call with reporters that it expects to pull ahead in Arizona, because most of the outstanding vote is in Trump-friendly territory.

Call Me Jimmy

Giblet wrote: »

Why do you quote random dudes on the net, read his previous tweets, as if he is an authority on anything. 80% WI he said. 80%!

Someone else linked this earlier, says 86% too. I dunno tbh

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/us-election-2020-results-20201102-p56ars.html

gmisk

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Only the guardian would write a headline like that in Texas... I'm sure many many more white people on rural farms etc.. are impacted, but they always go after the sacred cow there...

If you read the article they have a point.
Facts to back it up...always handy

"On a local level, the changes can be stark. McLennan county, home to Waco, Texas, closed 44% of its polling places from 2012 to 2018, despite the fact that its population grew by more than 15,000 people during the same time period, with more than two-thirds of that growth coming from Black and Latinx residents".

My point is there is no point moaning about mail in ballots when people are almost rail roaded into using them due to a lack of polling places.

No comment on the other link? Or on louis de joy?

Quin_Dub

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Trump is right. Why admit defeat. I know you could say that's wrong but I have met many a person in this world who refused to admit they were wrong.

arctictree wrote: »

Problem is that doesn't someone in the Trump camp have to advise the president to concede. Who is going to be that person and keep their job?!

I have no issue with Trump not conceding , just as I don't with Biden.

It isn't over until all valid votes are counted.

The Problem I have with Trump is his outright lies about Fraud and "The Democrats stealing it" crap..

Sierra Oscar

https://twitter.com/dcdufour/status/1324019676553318400

Man with broke phone

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Mississippi approve a new state flag (70%) that retires former Confederate battle symbol and vote strongly for Trump too.

Maybe the democrats were just making up the stories about the big bad racist Trump voting monsters, surely you were smart enough to realise Trump probably wasnt a racist and Joe probably didnt touch kids.

Surely.

robinph

RobitTV wrote: »

The latest plot twist comes from Arizona, which had reportedly counted 95%+ of its votes. NYT notes that "due to an error in an Edison Research data feed of results ... the actual estimate is that 86% of the vote has been counted."

This gives some credence to the Trump camp's argument in a call with reporters that it expects to pull ahead in Arizona, because most of the outstanding vote is in Trump-friendly territory.

The votes still to be counted in the dem friendly counties will swamp the numbers from the rep ones. There is one county at only 62% counted, but that is only a total of 20k votes, the remaining votes in the county with 86% still to count and 1.5 million already counted means it barely registers.

Might make a big red mark on the map in terms of land mass, but land doesn't vote, people do.

Quin_Dub

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Why do they keep calling biden the "vice president" - even weeks ago leading up to this.
Yes was the vice president .. not anymore

It's a weird thing they do in the US.

Everyone keeps their titles - So Carter , Clinton, Bush and Obama will always be called President etc.

They do it for everything

See how they still call Tommy Tuberville "Coach Tuberville" even though he no longer coaches..

Penn

CNN saying Biden now 32k+ ahead in Michigan.

Ekerot

Is Nevada likely to turn Red now?
Biden only has an 8000 lead, and there's still a good chunk of votes to go from what I'm reading

VinLieger

RobitTV wrote: »

The latest plot twist comes from Arizona, which had reportedly counted 95%+ of its votes. NYT notes that "due to an error in an Edison Research data feed of results ... the actual estimate is that 86% of the vote has been counted."

This gives some credence to the Trump camp's argument in a call with reporters that it expects to pull ahead in Arizona, because most of the outstanding vote is in Trump-friendly territory.

Are you just parroting twitter accounts and passing them off as your own words?

https://twitter.com/dcdufour/status/1324019676553318400

VinLieger

Ekerot wrote: »

Is Nevada likely to turn Red now?
Biden only has an 8000 lead, and there's still a good chunk of votes to go from what I'm reading

No the vast majority of votes left are mail ins from clark county ie Las Vegas which will most likely favour biden

hynesie08

Ekerot wrote: »

Is Nevada likely to turn Red now?
Biden only has an 8000 lead, and there's still a good chunk of votes to go from what I'm reading

It's mail ins in a very democratic county. It's possible but very unlikely.

Sierra Oscar

Ekerot wrote: »

Is Nevada likely to turn Red now?
Biden only has an 8000 lead, and there's still a good chunk of votes to go from what I'm reading

Aren't the remaining votes mail in? Tough task for Trump to over turn that lead. Apparently there are no more Nevada counts until tomorrow.

quokula

gmisk wrote: »

It shouldn't be.

Postal voting should be reliable and non controversial.

It really doesn't help that people like Trump's mate louis Dejoy did his best to hobble the UPS, or states deciding to close huge numbers of polling places, especially in areas with more minorities

E.g. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-polling-sites-closures-voting

4.7 million people with one drop off location
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/11/texas-ballot-drop-off-locations/
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/13/923216392/u-s-appeals-court-sides-with-texas-on-one-per-county-ballot-drop-off

It's been quite a strategy from Trump. Consistently try to undermine confidence in postal voting and tell his voters not to use it, while Democrats will use it in mass due to not being covid deniers by and large, and due to reduction in number of polling places in democratic areas.

This means on election night he knows he'll get an early lead and can cry foul when the postal votes start getting counted to overturn his early leads.

Meanwhile simultaneously he's been doing everything he can to genuinely undermine the postal vote by underfunding the post office and making it harder for them to actually deliver votes, which he knows will be mostly Democrat, on time. But knowing that if the Dems actually call this out he can say they're hypocrites or say that they admit postal votes are not legitimate.

sheeplover55

https://twitter.com/MeghanMcCain/status/1323915152220168192