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Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,777 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1324210254901628930

    Around 75k left to count. Mail-ins from democratic urban counties doing damage, real damage to Trump.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    You know, I'm getting the feeling like John King and CNN are actually talking UP Trump's chances right now as they're trying to keep up the tension. What happens when people are sure of the result? They switch off. It's like CNN are just trying to keep things going for as long as possible at this point. Biden's at 1/8, ****.

    What will be interesting is if Biden gets 270 EXACTLY. Then all hell is really going to break loose.

    There was talk that a 269 draw was possible. In which case Trump would take it because he has more delegates and the VP would be decided by the senate. That would be interesting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 747 ✭✭✭HDMI


    Overheal wrote: »
    Dangerous mob situation brewing at the counting station in Phoenix, Arizona

    Sad to see any trouble starting over the result and in this instance it's Republicans. But the race is so close and both sides have been talking lawyers and stolen elections for months now stoking the flames so there was always going to be some sort of trouble, hopefully it's small.

    Just seen a video of some manager at a Detroit counting station earlier today requesting all Republican watchers to leave the room and then they started putting paper on the windows so no one could see in. This sort of crap is what causes problems and the sooner the US gets its arse in gear and starts demanding photo id so you can vote the better.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,777 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    AllForIt wrote: »
    There was talk that a 269 draw was possible. In which case Trump would take it because he has more delegates and the VP would be decided by the senate. That would be interesting.

    If Biden takes Georgia and nothing else (unlikely) it's 269.

    Dems have the house though so Biden wins.


  • Registered Users Posts: 747 ✭✭✭HDMI


    If Biden takes Georgia and nothing else (unlikely) it's 269.

    Dems have the house though so Biden wins.

    Biden wins the Presidency, but I don't believe the Democratic party is at all happy overall with the outcome. Nancy Pelosi will still be at the mercy of Mitch McConnell until at least 2022.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,777 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Just 15k lead for Trump in Georgia now

    https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1324213696978190337


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭Dressoutlet


    Btw twitter was censoring Trumps tweets today. Whatever you think of trump censoring the sitting president of the US is outrageous politicking by twitter.


    They were also censoring a lot of his followers. That's not fact checking, that's interfering in an election and taking sides.

    Interfering in an election? Please tell me how when all votes are already cast?


  • Registered Users Posts: 83,606 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Overheal wrote: »

    Maricopa County Elections Department being forced to shutdown because of the situation outside. Several hundred Trump supporters. Firearms present. A count is expected in 20 minutes (12:30 PM EST) before they wrap it up tonight.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,777 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Overheal wrote: »
    Maricopa County Elections Department being forced to shutdown because of the situation outside. Several hundred Trump supporters. Firearms present. A count is expected in 20 minutes (12:30 PM EST) before they wrap it up tonight.

    Absolutely delinquent behaviour brought to you by Donald Trump.


  • Registered Users Posts: 83,606 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    HDMI wrote: »
    Sad to see any trouble starting over the result and in this instance it's Republicans. But the race is so close and both sides have been talking lawyers and stolen elections for months now stoking the flames so there was always going to be some sort of trouble, hopefully it's small.

    Just seen a video of some manager at a Detroit counting station earlier today requesting all Republican watchers to leave the room and then they started putting paper on the windows so no one could see in. This sort of crap is what causes problems and the sooner the US gets its arse in gear and starts demanding photo id so you can vote the better.

    That's not the full story:


    At his last count, Lawrence Garcia, the city of Detroit's corporation counsel and an election commissioner, said there were about 225 Republican, 250 Democrat and around 70 independent challengers, though he said some of the partisan members had been obtaining independent credentials to enter.

    “We realized this afternoon we were well over the (134 maximum) just in the haste of doing business, nobody noticed that until it was over 200 for each party, and at that point, we said, we better stop admitting people until they leave, and we’re under the 134 number. ... That's the rules. We have to play by them."

    He added the cardboard coverings on the windows were added because people on the other side of them were taking photos and videotaping, which is not allowed by challengers and poll workers inside the ballot-counting room, and it was making some of the workers uncomfortable. Other windows were left open so people still could see what was happening inside.


    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/04/poll-challengers-converge-detroit-amid-close-election-results/6161484002/


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Where are ye getting your updated numbers? NYT seems to have been stagnant for an eternity.


  • Registered Users Posts: 83,606 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The Postal Service ignored a federal judge’s order to sweep processing plants on Tuesday after more than 300,000 scanned ballots could not be traced.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/11/03/election-ballot-delays-usps/

    Nearly 7 percent of ballots in U.S. Postal Service sorting facilities on Tuesday were not processed on time for submission to election officials, according to data the agency filed Wednesday in federal court, potentially leaving tens of thousands of ballots caught in the mail system during an especially tight presidential race.

    The Postal Service reported the timely processing — which includes most mail-handling steps outside of pickup and delivery — of 93.3 percent of ballots on Election Day, its best processing score in several days, but still well below the 97-percent target that postal and voting experts say the agency should hit.

    The Postal Service processed 115,630 ballots on Tuesday, a volume much lower than in recent days after weeks of warnings about chronic mail delays. Of that number, close to 8,000 ballots were not processed on time, a small proportion but one that could factor heavily in states such as Michigan and Wisconsin, which do not accept ballots after Election Day and could be decided by a few thousand votes.

    Earlier Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan of the District of Columbia had ordered the Postal Service to sweep 12 postal processing facilities that cover 15 states for ballots. But the agency rebuffed that order and said it would stick to its own inspection schedule, which voting rights advocates worried was too late in the day for found ballots to make it to vote counters.

    The directive came after the Postal Service disclosed that more than 300,000 ballots nationwide could not be traced. Those ballots received entry bar code scans at processing facilities, but not exit scans. The agency said the likelihood of that many ballots being misplaced was very low; mail clerks had been ordered to sort ballots by hand in many locations, and items that were pulled out for expedited delivery were not given an exit scan.


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    “We know yesterday that if the sweeps were doing their job, mail that was identified as ballots and were in the system should have been pulled out and delivered, and it may be that affects what we see as the scores,” said Allison Zieve, an attorney representing the NAACP, which brought the lawsuit against the Postal Service with other civil and voting rights groups. “The problem is, in part because of the timing and in part because they haven’t given us all the information we asked for, it’s hard to know whether the numbers we saw today — the low scores for example in Atlanta and Central Pennsylvania — it’s hard to assess how big a problem that is.”

    About 101 million Americans cast their ballots before election day, according to an early vote tally maintained by Michael McDonald at the University of Florida, with roughly 60 million others voting in-person on election day. Given the widely publicized issues with mail delivery, experts last week began advising absentee voters to drop off their ballots in-person rather than send them by mail. The high rates of early voting led to generally uncrowded conditions at polling places around the country on election day, although long lines were reported in some areas.

    Sullivan had given the mail agency until 3:30 p.m. Tuesday to conduct the “all clear” checks to ensure that any found ballots could be delivered before polls closed. But in a filing sent to the court just before 5 p.m., Justice Department attorneys representing the Postal Service said the agency would not abide by the order, to better accommodate inspectors’ schedules.

    Attorney John Robinson, writing for the Justice Department, noted that the daily review was already scheduled to occur from 4 to 8 p.m. on election night. “Given the time constraints set by this Court’s order, and the fact that Postal Inspectors operate on a nationwide basis, Defendants were unable to accelerate the daily review process to run from 12:30 pm to 3:00 pm without significantly disrupting preexisting activities on the day of the Election, something which Defendants did not understand the Court to invite or require.”


    “This is super frustrating,” Zieve said Tuesday. “If they get all the sweeps done today in time, it doesn’t matter if they flouted the judge’s order. They say here they will get the sweeps done between 4 p.m. and 8 p.m., but 8 p.m. is too late, and in some states 5 p.m. is too late.”

    Millions of mail ballots have not been returned as window closes for Postal Service delivery

    Sullivan was incensed during Wednesday’s hearing over the sweeps, accusing the Postal Service of attempting to run the clock out on his order to avoid conducting the sweeps.

    “It just leaves a bad taste in everyone’s mouth for the clock to run out — game’s over — and then to find out there was no compliance with a very important court order,” he said.

    He said that at some point, he would order Postmaster General Louis DeJoy to appear before the court or sit through a sworn deposition, and intimated that he’d consider contempt charges against postal leadership, saying “someone might have to pay a price,” for defying his order.

    It was DeJoy’s aggressive cost-cutting regimen, according to postal experts, that created sustained slowdowns in the mail service that over one five-week span delayed more than 7 percent of the nation’s first-class mail.

    The Postal Service began election mail “all clear” sweeps in January, agency spokesman David Partenheimer wrote in an emailed statement, to search for misplaced political mail (such as campaign ads) and election mail (ballots, ballot applications and voter registration information).

    Since Thursday, he said, agents from the U.S. Postal Inspection Service, the agency’s law enforcement arm, conducted daily reviews at 220 ballot processing facilities. Inspectors walk the facility and observe mail conditions and check daily political- and election-mail logs.

    In the past 14 months, Partenheimer said, the Postal Service has processed more than 4.5 billion pieces of political and election mail, up 114 percent from the 2016 general-election cycle.

    “Ballots will continue to be accepted and processed as they are presented to us and we will deliver them to their intended destination,” he said.

    Timely ballot processing scores, which indicate the proportion of ballots sorted, postmarked and transported within the agency’s one-to-three-day service window, worsened in the run-up to Election Day, according to data the agency submitted to the court. In 28 states, election officials must receive ballots by the end of Election Day to be counted.

    Voting and postal experts say the mail agency should be able to process 97 percent of incoming ballots — or completed ballots sent to election officials. But data shows the Postal Service missed that mark seven out of eight days. And in the five days ending Monday, processing scores dropped, from 97.1 percent to 89.6 percent on Monday. . (The Postal Service did not report Sunday data.)


  • Registered Users Posts: 83,606 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Overheal wrote: »
    Maricopa County Elections Department being forced to shutdown because of the situation outside. Several hundred Trump supporters. Firearms present. A count is expected in 20 minutes (12:30 PM EST) before they wrap it up tonight.

    GA Attorney General said there won't be more count released tonight but they will continue to perform the count.

    Seems related to the mob outside the counting station. Announcing votes that upset Trump's lead could turn the situation violent..


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,361 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Overheal wrote: »
    Maricopa County Elections Department being forced to shutdown because of the situation outside. Several hundred Trump supporters. Firearms present. A count is expected in 20 minutes (12:30 PM EST) before they wrap it up tonight.

    But hours ago, before 10pm our time, they announced that they would be releasing 2 batches: one at 9pm and the other at 12:30pm ET

    So I don't think wrapping it up is because of protestors


  • Registered Users Posts: 747 ✭✭✭HDMI


    Overheal wrote: »
    That's not the full story:


    At his last count, Lawrence Garcia, the city of Detroit's corporation counsel and an election commissioner, said there were about 225 Republican, 250 Democrat and around 70 independent challengers, though he said some of the partisan members had been obtaining independent credentials to enter.

    “We realized this afternoon we were well over the (134 maximum) just in the haste of doing business, nobody noticed that until it was over 200 for each party, and at that point, we said, we better stop admitting people until they leave, and we’re under the 134 number. ... That's the rules. We have to play by them."

    He added the cardboard coverings on the windows were added because people on the other side of them were taking photos and videotaping, which is not allowed by challengers and poll workers inside the ballot-counting room, and it was making some of the workers uncomfortable. Other windows were left open so people still could see what was happening inside.


    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/04/poll-challengers-converge-detroit-amid-close-election-results/6161484002/

    But they didn't stop the counting after the Republican challengers were asked to leave. The should have stopped and corrected the amount of challengers before starting counting again. I'm not suggesting any wrong doing in the vote but both sides had been stoking flames of cheating for months and this sort of stuff just adds fuel to the fire.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,361 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Overheal wrote: »
    Maricopa County Elections Department being forced to shutdown because of the situation outside. Several hundred Trump supporters. Firearms present. A count is expected in 20 minutes (12:30 PM EST) before they wrap it up tonight.

    But hours ago, before 10pm our time, they announced that they would be releasing 2 batches: one at 9pm and the other at 12:30pm ET

    So I don't think wrapping it up is because of protestors


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    Overheal wrote: »
    Maricopa County Elections Department being forced to shutdown because of the situation outside. Several hundred Trump supporters. Firearms present. A count is expected in 20 minutes (12:30 PM EST) before they wrap it up tonight.

    Can I just say one last time - when Trump protestors do it it's delinquency and the lowest form of brute, when blm or protestors in other countries do it it's the people rising up against the tyranny of the country. I mean if you saw a news report "there would angry protests outside election ballots in Iraq yesterday, with many claiming the elections had been rigged to keep the ruling elite in power".... clearly it's implied there they're right and there were election shenanigans.


  • Registered Users Posts: 83,606 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    8-10 wrote: »
    But hours ago, before 10pm our time, they announced that they would be releasing 2 batches: one at 9pm and the other at 12:30pm ET

    So I don't think wrapping it up is because of protestors

    They've also had to address mob concerns about SharpieGate2020:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/arizona-ag-investigating-complaints-from-maricopa-county-voters-over-usage-of-sharpies-on-ballots

    So resources were taken away to re-adjudicate if any rejected ballots were thrown out because of the use of a sharpie, as the conspiracy alleged.

    The crowd has been gathering all evening.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭jaykay74


    Can I just say one last time - when Trump protestors do it it's delinquency and the lowest form of brute, when blm or protestors in other countries do it it's the people rising up against the tyranny of the country. I mean if you saw a news report "there would angry protests outside election ballots in Iraq yesterday, with many claiming the elections had been rigged to keep the ruling elite in power".... clearly it's implied there they're right and there were election shenanigans.

    BLM protests in relation to election counts? I'm not familiar with that. Let democracy take its course.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,512 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Can I just say one last time - when Trump protestors do it it's delinquency and the lowest form of brute, when blm or protestors in other countries do it it's the people rising up against the tyranny of the country. I mean if you saw a news report "there would angry protests outside election ballots in Iraq yesterday, with many claiming the elections had been rigged to keep the ruling elite in power".... clearly it's implied there they're right and there were election shenanigans.
    Clearly these protestors aren't protesting that the election was rigged to keep the ruling elite in power; they want the ruling elite kept in power, and they haven't at any point protested against transparent Republican attempts to rig the election for that purpose.

    There protest is that the election is being rigged to get Trump out of power, the rigging apparently taking the form of counting all the votes cast.
    This is such transparent sh!te that no sane and self-respecting person would compare it to a protest alleging that the party in power has rigged the election to retain power.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    So now GA result is hours away, it's funny to watch how mad this is. no one seems to have a clue how many votes left and then people posted false info on S media doesn't help.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,777 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Vote dump expected from PA any time around now according to CNN.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,750 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Can I just say one last time - when Trump protestors do it it's delinquency and the lowest form of brute, when blm or protestors in other countries do it it's the people rising up against the tyranny of the country. I mean if you saw a news report "there would angry protests outside election ballots in Iraq yesterday, with many claiming the elections had been rigged to keep the ruling elite in power".... clearly it's implied there they're right and there were election shenanigans.

    Because journalists and media outlets look at the context in which protests are held to determine is there a moral element to the cause being protested against or called for.

    You can't fault people for drawing conclusions from guy who interrupted a press briefing earlier talking about the election being stolen wearing a 'Beer BBQ Freedom' T-shirt and someone else protesting with a T-shirt saying 'I can't breathe'.

    Everyone has seen Trump fan the flames in this respect and even Twitter called a halt to it.

    Not all protests are equal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Vote dump expected from PA any time around now according to CNN.

    What is vote dump?


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,777 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    YFlyer wrote: »
    What is vote dump?

    A big block of results expected to be made public.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,583 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Are they gone yet?


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,777 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users Posts: 29,583 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Victory!


    That's just weird, hope all this weirdness heads off soon, and we can get back to normal


  • Registered Users Posts: 83,606 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    CNN has been teasing vote releases all night that havent always happened. **** it, I'm going to bed.

    edit, I'll leave with that:

    https://twitter.com/C_Feedback/status/1324200694488838144?s=20


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  • Registered Users Posts: 354 ✭✭Alanhooly


    When I went to bed Biden was 1/12, he's now 1/5. What's happened??


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