Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

amadangomor

TomSweeney wrote: »

Dangerous mob situation ?

Not that I agree with the protest but looks like a crowd gathered, have they started attacking police,burning buildings and looting stores yet ??

It's intimidation and fundamentally undemocratic.

Doctors room ghost

Joe Biden to officially take Pennsylvania today and hit the 270 according to the wireless.
Go on Biden

ThunbergsAreGo

Peregrinus wrote: »

Yes, but that just underlines my point. Trumpista protests are in no way protests against the ruling elite; they are at most protests in support of one faction within the ruling elite against another.

BLM protests, now, might reasonably be categorised as protests against the ruling elite.

Does that make things better?

Not sure shop owners are the ruling elite. A violent protest is a violent protest, and a peaceful one is a peaceful one regardless on whether you believe the cause is "just"

Dillonb3

brick tamland wrote: »

Jeez Arizona what are you doing



Gap closes by 10k

Arizona votes are supposed to be late votes so leaning Republican. He may need Georgia or Pennsylvania

xl500

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Joe Biden to officially take Pennsylvania today and hit the 270 according to the wireless.
Go on Biden

WTF is a Wireless:D:D:D:D

km991148

sheeplover55 wrote: »

Imo, many who vote Trump are not necessarily voting directly for him - they are voting against perceived socialism and the Marxist anti American ideology spewing out from colleges forming generational patterns. The Cuban increase for Trump reflects that especially given his anti immigrant rhetoric. It's a culture war, doesn't matter who's running. Republicans imo can feel this shift and should be optimistic for future elections.

Perceived is the key word here. Egged on by countless highly targeted ad campaigns (one if the advantages of 'big tech' and their complete lack of standards).

crisco10

xl500 wrote: »

WTF is a Wireless:D:D:D:D

It's how I access the internet.

ExMachina1000

Tell me how wrote: »

So you're saying Fox is far right?
That should put to bed the argument that Trump has been trying to appeal to the Far Right. Be interesting to see if more here agree with you.

I would suggest a lot of the local affiliate networks, stations and print media are whatever brand of conservative you feel is 'average'.

The Boston Globe, for example, declared for Trump last week. Every county in Massachusetts voted Blue yesterday.

The cable channel which has the like of Tucker and Hannity isn't real news. Its garbage.

Local fox channels would more like traditional news.

super_furry

super_furry wrote: »

Anyone who's commenting clearly. Anyone with a bit of sense who can see that a protest to try and stop systemic racism in a country where black people are killed by police with impunity, is different to a protest to try to stop election votes being counted.

This is a country (the US) where there have been past claims of voter fraud/manipulation (even before Trump came along), where the corporations dabble in manipulating voters, and the running candidates always come from the Elite 'classes'. So.. for those who protest against perceived fraud, they're right to do so.

I don't support Trump even slightly. haha. He's a twat, but the right to protest is supposedly a cornerstone of US freedom. And... I didn't say anything about BLM nor did I link these protests with others...

zanador wrote: »

Just re your last sentence there, that is not true at all, and goes along with everyone's opinion is equally valid, possibly the feelings inside are the same, but there is a huge difference between protest done by disenfranchised people and protest done by people who don't want to lose their power over these people. One is frustration, the other is greed.

If you disagree with violence that's fair enough but saying all protests are the same is like that quote all it takes for bad to happen is for good to do nothing.

Trump got into power because people felt that they had been betrayed by the system, and that they had enough of the PC culture that had established itself within American society. They considered themselves to be defranchised because they no longer had a voice, and Trump (for whatever reason) provided them with such a voice.

And... don't misrepresent my post. I didn't say that all protests are the same. I asked who gets to decide which are valid and which are not. I don't like double standards, and I see a lot of double standards being applied when it comes to Trump/Biden or their supporters.

BobbyMalone

Dillonb3 wrote: »

Arizona votes are supposed to be late votes so leaning Republican. He may need Georgia or Pennsylvania

I think he needs all three, no? Definitely Pennsylvania.

km991148

paleoperson wrote: »

Trump at 6/1 vs 1/6 on oddschecker.com - hard to be optimistic but still not "ah screw it" level numbers.

Imagine if he did though - anything's possible in this crazy timeline.

Trump will not back down. When the numbers go above 270 for Biden he will contest it. There will be no stepping down or congratulations or nothing. It will be 'we have to see' 'I dunno but they tell me...' while his flying monkeys spread the confusion that he started.

Tell me how

Tell me how wrote: »

The last 4 years have seen Trump live in the closest existence yet of the Truman show experience. Never before has so much of a Presidents words or actions, and most definitely (thanks to Trump on Twitter) their thoughts being broadcast verbatim.

Sure.. and...? You're heading off in a direction that I didn't refer to.

I don't buy the excuse of the media having a bias in that I can see and hear his actions and words myself and draw my own conclusion. As can everyone else. The infamous 'Disinfectant' press conference is a case in point.
This aside, the fact seems to be ignored that despite the accusation that there are anti-Trump media personalities, there most definitely are pro-Trump ones as well. Many give out about the 'Main Stream Media' but ignore that Fox has 18 of the 50 most watched cable news shows and they are big fans, printed journals such as the NEw York Post are similar, online portals such as Brietbart are as vehemently pro-Trump as the Huffington post are anti-trump.

haha.. you don't get it. I'm not saying that one group of American media is more trustworthy than the other group. They're all biased, and follow their own agendas... which is why your previous comment was objected to. Which, you have decided to pass over, and interject other claims.

As for who decides the merit of one protest over another? We all do. It's called an opinion.

Fair enough.

brick tamland

BobbyMalone wrote: »

I think he needs all three, no? Definitely Pennsylvania.

He was talking about Biden. Any one is enough (Assuming Nevada is fine, which it seems to be)

Would rather Niden gets one done soon. Not good for my nerves.

AP or Fox haven't changed their call on Arizona as far as I can see. CNN more cautious

Ficheall

BobbyMalone wrote: »

I think he needs all three, no? Definitely Pennsylvania.

He needs PA and GA. Can get by without Az if he gets NC and Nev.

46 Long

TomSweeney wrote: »

Dangerous mob situation ?

Not that I agree with the protest but looks like a crowd gathered, have they started attacking police,burning buildings and looting stores yet ??

Here, I'll translate the doublespeak:

BLM burning down cities and looting stores: peaceful protestors and totally not spreading COVID at all

A few Trump supporters at the count centre: dangerous mob situation and COVID superspreaders

Peregrinus

BobbyMalone wrote: »

I think he needs all three, no? Definitely Pennsylvania.

No. As matters stand, even if he loses AZ, if he takes PA he wins the election.

If retains AZ, then he can win the election by taking any one of NV (where he is curerenty ahead), PA, GA, or NC.

46 Long

46 Long wrote: »

Here, I'll translate the doublespeak:

BLM burning down cities and looting stores: peaceful protestors and totally not spreading COVID at all

A few Trump supporters at the count centre: dangerous mob situation and COVID superspreaders

You're gonna get lynched.

amadangomor

Deleted User wrote: »

You're gonna get lynched.

Nah, that's more the neo nazis that Trump encourages style.

amadangomor

Look at the people swallowing Trumps lies about voter fraud and out protesting at counting places. Lots of thick people in the US who are looking to blame someone else for their woes.

Fair play to Trump for realising that there was a gap in the market to manipulate these people. From the Hitler/Mussolini playbook.

ThunbergsAreGo

Given the divise nature of the election and the country id be shocked if there wasnt SOME shananigans on both sides.

km991148

amadangomor wrote: »

Look at the people swallowing Trumps lies about voter fraud and out protesting at counting places. Lots of thick people in the US who are looking to blame someone else for their woes.
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His tactics are obvious at this stage. No hope or positivity. Destroy, blame, subterfuge, repeat.

The other guy, the other people, the system, the networks. Whoever or whatever, but not himself.

The quicker he goes the better. Hopefully now and not in 4 years time.

brick tamland

On Arizona, Ruben Gallego (Local Democrat) has been tweeting that the remaining vote will be far more Blue leaning than then ones announced an hour ago. Doesn't seem worried at all

Leroy42

What it does show is how easy it is to mobilise certain people to whatever cause you to happen to want.

Does anybody really believe that the majority of those protesting the count centres have any actual idea about the workings of the voting process, the audits, the checks, the rules?

No, Trump and the likes of Guiliani, simply spout some theory and they are, like sheep, out in force to demand that they want whatever it is that they need to stop whatever it is that may, or may not, be happening.

Are they really of the belief that the Democratic party are so powerful as to be able, at short notice, to undertake massive fraud. But only in the most marginal areas and only by tiny amounts? And that with that ability they opted not to actually secure the senate, which would have given them ultimate power?

listermint

km991148 wrote: »

Perceived is the key word here. Egged on by countless highly targeted ad campaigns (one if the advantages of 'big tech' and their complete lack of standards).

This is it in a nutshell. People are carrying around with them in their pockets on their handbags a portal into their lives that serves up to them abject lies and untruths everytime they unlock the screen.

There has to be research done on the unfounded fear campaigns launched via Facebook , YouTube and Twitter. There's no way this many people are picking up biden being castro from traditional news organisations. This is a relentless campaign and the funding of it needs to be traced too.

Big tech either doesn't care or is simply not setup to deal with it.

MoonUnit75

Leroy42 wrote: »

What it does show is how easy it is to mobilise certain people to whatever cause you to happen to want.

Does anybody really believe that the majority of those protesting the count centres have any actual idea about the workings of the voting process, the audits, the checks, the rules?

No, Trump and the likes of Guiliani, simply spout some theory and they are, like sheep, out in force to demand that they want whatever it is that they need to stop whatever it is that may, or may not, be happening.

Are they really of the belief that the Democratic party are so powerful as to be able, at short notice, to undertake massive fraud. But only in the most marginal areas and only by tiny amounts? And that with that ability they opted not to actually secure the senate, which would have given them ultimate power?

In fairness it's almost like a re-run of Florida in 2000, remember the 'hanging chads'? Republican and Democrats were literally looking over the shoulders during the count from what I remember looking for things like this. Trump Jr. is saying they are being kept 30 feet away from counting, that's not right.

listermint

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

In fairness it's almost like a re-run of Florida in 2000, remember the 'hanging chads'? Republican and Democrats were literally looking over the shoulders during the count from what I remember looking for things like this. Trump Jr. is saying they are being kept 30 feet away from counting, that's not right.

Trump junior is a liar.

Kermit.de.frog

Biden currently polling average 75% in urban vote out of Georgia. He only needs around a 60% pace on remaining ballots. He is on course to flip the state.


And that's why Trump wants to stop counting.

Peregrinus

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

In fairness it's almost like a re-run of Florida in 2000, remember the 'hanging chads'? Republican and Democrats were literally looking over the shoulders during the count from what I remember looking for things like this. Trump Jr. is saying they are being kept 30 feet away from counting, that's not right.

If Trump Jr is saying it, then it very probably isn't right. He's not a man noted for his factual accuracy.

lawred2

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

In fairness it's almost like a re-run of Florida in 2000, remember the 'hanging chads'? Republican and Democrats were literally looking over the shoulders during the count from what I remember looking for things like this. Trump Jr. is saying they are being kept 30 feet away from counting, that's not right.

Trump Jr is a tulip.

Be right back

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

In fairness it's almost like a re-run of Florida in 2000, remember the 'hanging chads'? Republican and Democrats were literally looking over the shoulders during the count from what I remember looking for things like this. Trump Jr. is saying they are being kept 30 feet away from counting, that's not right.

There wasn't a pandemic back then.