Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

paleoperson

donvito99 wrote: »

Trump supports Brexit. Biden does not. The fact that Trump owns a shoddy hotel in Doonbeg doesn't come in to it. Ireland stands to gain a great deal of Biden follows through on Democratic Party commitments to the GFA.

In summary, you're talking out of your hoop

Whether Biden supports Ireland and doesn't like Brexit is hardly going to factor into the equation for Brexit negotiations. It would be like saying being friends with a councilor is going to get you a better tax rate - life don't work like that.

See this is where the fake news concept comes in - you just tell people stuff and it sounds somewhat plausible on a certain level and they go away believing it.

Trump has a personal relationship with and interests in Ireland - frankly it makes him look good as well to talk about it. Biden has no interest in helping Ireland.

joe40

Enquiring wrote: »

To be fair, I see that on the other side as well. It's all a bit nutty over there and they have many followers here.

People keep saying that, but it's not true at least not to the same extent. I have watched quite a bit of CNN coverage and while they obviously do not support Trump and his ridiculous tactics, there is no overt lies.
The tone is also a lot less aggressive than the likes of Fox for example.
This false equivalence that one side is as bad as the other is simply not true.

Lolle06

paleoperson wrote: »

Remembering? What a load of utter garbage.

Biden's going to say "hey britain you better give ireland a good deal because i like them"? If anything Trump who has plenty of interests in Ireland would be a lot more likely to help them out.

Are you suggesting that Trump would only be interested in Irish matters if it benefitted his own business?
Perhaps in return for the permission to build his “wall”? Quid pro quo style?

listermint

nolivesmatter wrote: »

Why would a dictator hold an election?

Why does Putin.....

threeball

DubInMeath wrote: »

Given everything Trump has said about Brexit would indeed indicate that he would help the English out. How many interests does trump hold in the U.k.

Trump doesn't give a toss about the US, what makes you think he'll give one about the UK. He'll take Boris into a room demand that his needs are met 100% then come out and tell everyone that they've done a great deal, even detailing how he basically humiliated Boris. Brexit suited Trump only because he thought it would make Europe weaker.

Boggles

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Probably filing through her ankle cuffs right now

Chewing through her leg.

dasdog

listermint wrote: »

Why does Putin.....

Saddam was fond of them also...

Lolle06

Lolle06 wrote: »

Well, Trump- buddy DeJoy’s postal service was apparently rather ”slow” In the delivery of mail-in ballots. A federal judge had to set an ultimatum, so I am not at all surprised about late deliveries...

Military votes can come in up to tomorrow including overseas obviously. Same as each election but suddenly mail voting is an issue.

crisco10

paleoperson wrote: »

Whether Biden supports Ireland and doesn't like Brexit is hardly going to factor into the equation for Brexit negotiations. It would be like saying being friends with a councilor is going to get you a better tax rate - life don't work like that.

See this is where the fake news concept comes in - you just tell people stuff and it sounds somewhat plausible on a certain level and they go away believing it.

Trump has a personal relationship with and interests in Ireland - frankly it makes him look good as well to talk about it. Biden has no interest in helping Ireland.

I think Biden would at least understand the intricacies of GFA etc better. When Trump visited Ireland, he was under the impression Ireland WANTED a hard border. Leo had to correct him in the press call.

BrentMused

Biden is 1/14 now!

Trump out to 11/1.

sondagefaux

paleoperson wrote: »

Remembering? What a load of utter garbage.

Biden's going to say "hey britain you better give ireland a good deal because i like them"? If anything Trump who has plenty of interests in Ireland would be a lot more likely to help them out.

Trump is pro-Brexit, doesn't give a shït about the GFA, and thinks Boris Johnson is a good leader.

Biden will do everything in his power to protect the GFA, and has no time for Johnson.

Do you really think owning a freaking hotel/golf course in Clare means Trump is more concerned about Ireland than Biden?

Penn

paleoperson wrote: »

Whether Biden supports Ireland and doesn't like Brexit is hardly going to factor into the equation for Brexit negotiations. It would be like saying being friends with a councilor is going to get you a better tax rate - life don't work like that.

Britain's odds of a good trade deal with the US are impacted by Biden and Congress' insistence that the Good Friday Agreement is protected. Congress has said they won't vote on a trade deal with the UK which doesn't ensure this.

So yes, Biden being more on the side of Ireland than Trump (aka Mr.Brexit as he called himself)has a significant effect on Brexit negotiations as a US deal will be vital to the UK.

PalLimerick

donvito99 wrote: »

Trump supports Brexit. Biden does not. The fact that Trump owns a shoddy hotel in Doonbeg doesn't come in to it. Ireland stands to gain a great deal if Biden follows through on Democratic Party commitments to the GFA.

In summary, you're talking out of your hoop

Shoddy Hotel, it's World class.

Real Life

nolivesmatter wrote: »

Why would a dictator hold an election?

Belarus had an election recently.

Trump had no choice right now but he was trying to move things in that direction that's pretty obvious.

drogon.

Another allegation by Team Trump

https://twitter.com/hollandcourtney/status/1324397417479897091?s=21

and here is the outcome.

https://twitter.com/joshnbcnews/status/1324419281577271300?s=21

donvito99

paleoperson wrote: »

Whether Biden supports Ireland and doesn't like Brexit is hardly going to factor into the equation for Brexit negotiations. It would be like saying being friends with a councilor is going to get you a better tax rate - life don't work like that.

See this is where the fake news concept comes in - you just tell people stuff and it sounds somewhat plausible on a certain level and they go away believing it.

Trump has a personal relationship with and interests in Ireland - frankly it makes him look good as well to talk about it. Biden has no interest in helping Ireland.

Ha alright.

the guy who supports Brexit will do more for Ireland (because he has a mediocre golf course) than the guy from the political party that actually has an interest in falling in behind the Irish Government's position in the most important issue facing our country in a generation...

And then you just throw in fake news for good measure

timetogo1

paleoperson wrote: »

Whether Biden supports Ireland and doesn't like Brexit is hardly going to factor into the equation for Brexit negotiations. It would be like saying being friends with a councilor is going to get you a better tax rate - life don't work like that.

See this is where the fake news concept comes in - you just tell people stuff and it sounds somewhat plausible on a certain level and they go away believing it.

Trump has a personal relationship with and interests in Ireland - frankly it makes him look good as well to talk about it. Biden has no interest in helping Ireland.

What interests has he besides the hotel / golf course.
He's got two in the UK.

Jin luk

BrentMused wrote: »

Biden is 1/14 now!

Trump out to 11/1.

4 years ago trump was at 200/1 in play betting after the first two states went to Clinton wouldn't rely on betting markets at all

Tippex

DubInMeath wrote: »

Military votes can come in up to tomorrow including overseas obviously. Same as each election but suddenly mail voting is an issue.

In Pensylvania the military votes have until Tuesday to be in.

threeball

PalLimerick wrote: »

Shoddy Hotel, it's World class.

Yes, there's good Russian money gone in to that hotel. Its in decent nick, maybe not world class though, slight exaggeration unless you've never left Clare.

is_that_so

Triangle wrote: »

He allowed both sets of observers closer. The center had to be closed and reconfigured.
But it wasn't just trump observers is my point.

Yes I got that but it's no "massive" legal win.

donvito99

PalLimerick wrote: »

Shoddy Hotel, it's World class.

The only thing shoddier is the golf course. Play Lehinch and stay in Adare.

Osborne

PalLimerick wrote: »

Shoddy Hotel, it's World class.

Correct....and I can't stand Trump.

super_furry

One of the Democrats crowning pieces of global statesmanship in the last 50 years is the Irish peace process and their role in the Good Friday Agreement. It's a historic source of pride for a party that still has deep Irish-American roots.

They've been pretty clear in the fact that they're going to defend it and their legacy.

extra gravy

drogon. wrote: »

Another allegation by Team Trump

https://twitter.com/hollandcourtney/status/1324397417479897091?s=21

and here is the outcome.

https://twitter.com/joshnbcnews/status/1324419281577271300?s=21

Taking advantage of old women now, there's really no depths they won't sink to.

Overheal

froog

trump 2024 will never happen. i doubt he'd get past the primaries. GOP want rid of him. also he'll be 78 and he's no joe biden.

is_that_so

DubInMeath wrote: »

Military votes can come in up to tomorrow including overseas obviously. Same as each election but suddenly mail voting is an issue.

Courtesy of a pesky bug called SARS-CoV-2!

Enquiring

joe40 wrote: »

People keep saying that, but it's not true at least not to the same extent. I have watched quite a bit of CNN coverage and while they obviously do not support Trump and his ridiculous tactics, there is no overt lies.
The tone is also a lot less aggressive than the likes of Fox for example.
This false equivalence that one side is as bad as the other is simply not true.

I don't watch fox and barely cnn so I can't tell you for sure about that but from looking at the landscape in America, it looks to me that both sides are as nutty as each other. Also, we can't discuss it here but foreign policy seems to be the same no matter which side gains power.

Danno

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Worth remembering a Biden win lifts Ireland's weight somewhat in the Brexit negotiations - it also doesn't look great for Boris Johnson either.

It's worth remembering Biden was VP under Obama when U$ bondholders were threatening for their pound of flesh after the banking crash in 2010.

Short memory.