Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

briany

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You telling me Biden isn't going to blame Trump for it all going pear shaped on him.

Yes. He would actually try to be a statesman and not bitterly point the finger at everyone else when things go wrong, or post tweets about media outlets which dare criticise him.

km991148

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Joe Biden never denounced the prominent socialists supporting him in his party. Some of you betray yourselves making out everyone you disagree with and whole racial groups could only be mind-controlled to vote for Trump or even against Biden

False equivalence.. but hey if it works and it helps with the bending of reality, who am I to get in the way!

BonnieSituation

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

If you want the votes of people who don't like socialism, yes you might want to denounce socialists in your own party.

Are you not exhausted?

Spanish Eyes

Oh just give us a result FGS we will deal with the RED (hopefully) drama afterwards.

Tomorrow, Tomorrow I love you Tomorrow you're only a day away lol.

BonnieSituation

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Me thinks the US will face a constitutional crisis. Not a chance Trump will concede.

He doesn't have to concede. Come the EC vite and Inauguration, that's the end of him.

Lolle06

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Joe Biden never denounced the prominent socialists supporting him in his party. Some of you betray yourselves making out everyone you disagree with and whole racial groups could only be mind-controlled to vote for Trump or even against Biden

Why would he have to denounce them? Biden isn’t a socialist. Democrats like some forms of socialism (in regards to healthcare/ kids school meals etc), but you can implement these things without going full-blown socialist.

8-10

briany wrote: »

It wasn't completely wrong to call Arizona. Any news outlet is perfectly within their right to call a state if they judge the race there to be won. It's not an official binding declaration. It can't influence the vote as the votes have already been cast. It's just more pettiness from Trump that he's getting worked up over what AP says. He needn't even care because all that really matters to him is the official tally.

I disagree. It was wrong to call it when they did, even if it ends up going the way they declared it. It's inconsistent with what is happening in other races they aren't calling and as the largest conservative news outlet, guess what's happened since? Conservatives have ran out to the count centre in Phoenix chanting 'count the votes' as they believe that every vote should be counted and the maths showed that there were way more ballots outstanding than the margin between the candidates and the mail in's hadn't started yet. The race also narrowed multiple times today.

It was too early.

ohnonotgmail

E mac wrote: »

Imagine Inauguration Day...when all the ex presidents are seated together. Can't imagine Trump being there making small talk and sharing a laugh with Obama /Bush/ Clinton.

You can imagine melania sitting next to obama and having a great old time. She always seems to be a much happier person when she is seated next to Barack.

briany

E mac wrote: »

Imagine Inauguration Day...when all the ex presidents are seated together. Can't imagine Trump being there making small talk and sharing a laugh with Obama /Bush/ Clinton.

Yeah, I can picture Trump on inauguration day leading a massive rally of his supporters as nearby as legally allowed.

sondagefaux

PalLimerick wrote: »

Shoddy Hotel, it's World class.

Rhymes with ass...

ChikiChiki

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Me thinks the US will face a constitutional crisis. Not a chance Trump will concede.

Does his failure to actually concede matter? I assumed the vote on electoral colleges determined it ultimately. Raving loon removed from office feels like how it'll go at this stage.

Real Life

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

If you want the votes of people who don't like socialism, yes you might want to denounce socialists in your own party.

Trump wasn't exactly quick to denounce certain groups of his supporters. Yet you still have people arguing here he's not racist so if were using that logic what says Biden would be pushing socialism?

PalLimerick

threeball wrote: »

Yes, there's good Russian money gone in to that hotel. Its in decent nick, maybe not world class though, slight exaggeration unless you've never left Clare.

It's definitely not shoddy. Have you a source for " good Russian money" gone in to Trumps Doonbeg Hotel?

cave_dweller

namloc1980 wrote: »

A media declaration has no bearing on the actual outcome of a vote count in any state. Bizarre to be getting upset over it.

This 1000%. It's nonsensical. It's getting upset about something that has no bearing whatsoever on the result. All of the votes would still be counted regardless of what AP says, and Trump has also taken issue with the votes being counted. The New York Times gave Trump a high percentage of winning Georgia on Tuesday night, now he's in a serious battle there. Why? Because the votes were still being counted. It doesn't fit Trump's narrative so he says whatever he wants. I'm not surprised with that, it's expected, but the amount of people who fall for this type of nonsense is baffling.

NovemberWren

@ 8-10. "stats were that 68% of Pennsylvania mail-in requests were Democratic".

soo confused here; how can they know they were Democrat voters? if it is by 'areas'? [even by 'poorer' areas]; then were these areas bought by the Democrats.

I know how stoopid that sounds, as it is politics; but it seems an oddly previous carving-up of the turf.

ohnonotgmail

the gap in GA keeps getting smaller and smaller.

km991148

cave_dweller wrote: »

No, because Donald Trump is the President of the United States. All of the others saying that are not the President of the United States and can speculate without consequences. You can act as dense as you like with posts like this, but the majority of people see right through it :rolleyes:

Being president doesn't give you carte blanche to disrespect the democratic process. That's what he does every time he opens his mouth regarding fake numbers and cries of fraud. He is sh!tting in the mouths of the counting staff, the voters, the law and the entire process.

You had your election now stfu and show some respect and responsibility.

OscarMIlde

py2006 wrote: »

It is hard to conceive how any rational, reasonably intelligent, right thinking human could support a personality like Trump as president or even has a friend or colleague.

What floors me more is the realisation that there are people here in Ireland who like him, support him and hope he does well.

Like what is wrong with people?

Big overlap between them and the anti-lockdown/anti-mask/casedemic crowd on the coronavirus threads. Basically mé féiners with inadequate bull**** detectors.

declanflynn

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Anybody think its ironic that some who critisized Trump for claiming victory "early" are now claiming Biden has won despite counting still ongoing?

It depends on who wins

tobefrank321

8-10 wrote: »

I disagree. It was wrong to call it when they did, even if it ends up going the way they declared it. It's inconsistent with what is happening in other races they aren't calling and as the largest conservative news outlet, guess what's happened since? Conservatives have ran out to the count centre in Phoenix chanting 'count the votes' as they believe that every vote should be counted and the maths showed that there were way more ballots outstanding than the margin between the candidates and the mail in's hadn't started yet. The race also narrowed multiple times today.

It was too early.

FOX news called Arizona. Trump's biggest supporter in the media.

ohnonotgmail

NovemberWren wrote: »

@ 8-10. "stats were that 68% of Pennsylvania mail-in requests were Democratic".

soo confused here; how can they know they were Democrat voters? if it is by 'areas'? [even by 'poorer' areas]; then were these areas bought by the Democrats.

I know how stoopid that sounds, as it is politics; but it seems an oddly previous carving-up of the turf.

you're right, that does sound stupid yet you still said it.

y0ssar1an22

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Me thinks the US will face a constitutional crisis. Not a chance Trump will concede.

if there is a legitimate question over the veracity of the votes (or counting of them) i would say he is correct.

if there is no question, then please just step aside graciously.

personally, i would prefer a clean transfer; get it done, and let joe get on with running it.

these drawn out contests help no one, only further cause polarisation.

OscarMIlde

Panrich wrote: »

And we're well on the way to President Camacho

Camacho knew how to delegate though. He solved the crop crisis!

sondagefaux

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Joe Biden never denounced the prominent socialists supporting him in his party.

Yeah, he may as well call himself Joe Chi-Minh, the filthy Commie bastard!

y0ssar1an22

anyway, i was occupied for the last 2 hours or so...any big developments?

Aleece2020

endainoz wrote: »

Assuming he actually does concede. It's actually difficult to picture him saying those words.

I don't think he will. It'll be an inflammatory speech claiming fraud and rigging against him. There will be protests and riots from his supporters because he'll borderline encourage them to go out there and kick up **** until the country is forced to abandon democracy and accept him.

PalLimerick

sondagefaux wrote: »

Rhymes with ass...

It certainly does, however it doesn't take away from the fact, it's not a shoddy Hotel regardless of its owner.

E mac

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

You can imagine melania sitting next to obama and having a great old time. She always seems to be a much happier person when she is seated next to Barack.[/QUOTE

She's a much happier person when she's in the company of anyone else but her husband.

8-10

Penn wrote: »

Didn't hear that one. Should definitely retract.

No it was deliberate. Bob Bauer was involved in 2000 and learned his lesson. He's said before that in 2000 they were wrong to say 'let's count the votes and see who wins' instead of declaring victory and defending it. He's said that the declaration of victory by Bush's lawyers gave them a much stronger position in front of the Supreme Court.

They're smart, Biden would never go out and say it, and his press conference last night was after these comments, but as his lawyer that is exactly the picture he needed to state in that briefing and if you watch the full presentation and remember the context that this was 24 hours+ ago when victory looked a lot less likely, you'll see it wasn't just a throwaway comment to retract now, it was part of their tactic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBLHLt2IntU

cave_dweller

8-10 wrote: »

I disagree. It was wrong to call it when they did, even if it ends up going the way they declared it. It's inconsistent with what is happening in other races they aren't calling and as the largest conservative news outlet, guess what's happened since? Conservatives have ran out to the count centre in Phoenix chanting 'count the votes' as they believe that every vote should be counted and the maths showed that there were way more ballots outstanding than the margin between the candidates and the mail in's hadn't started yet. The race also narrowed multiple times today.

It was too early.

They don't stop counting votes because a media organisation has called it for one candidate or another. That's not how it works. It had no bearing on the result. It changed the momentum around the election, but the actual vote counting was unaffected. The vote counting matters, the rest doesn't.