Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

y0ssar1an22

Tippex wrote: »

Will you quit it with this question this is about the 15th time you have asked it tonight

gimme a simple answer so.

Strumms

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Considering he's running as the de-facto "not trump", as someone who won't be so divisive and destructive to american communities, for a lot of people that is enough.

Personally, his movement on climate alone is enough for me, and probably a lot of others I'd imagine. Everything else is short term annoyance, stuff that gets rolled back and reenacted term after term, but climate is the one thing we're running out of time on - it's my number 1 issue anyway. I'd rather Biden even be pushing much more on it, but of the two he's still the more active, and the one who's party actually recognises the scale of the issue.

Trump has repeatedly questioned the science behind global warming.... for the simple reason it’s not compatible with his status as first and foremost being the friend and ally of big business, 2 days ago...Trump exited the US from the Paris climate accord. Why ? Because he wants to suit his mates in big business, to be successful. He values balance sheets and the health thereof ahead of the health of the planet.

y0ssar1an22

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

gimme a simple answer so.

You'll be waiting a while.

Biden's campaign was "I'm not Trump" then sat back and let Trump lose his own race.

Not a sliver of policy nor substance at any stage. All "the soul of the nation" malarkey.

namloc1980

Tippex wrote: »

Will you quit it with this question this is about the 15th time you have asked it tonight

Ignore button works wonders with posters like that.

Rjd2

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

what policies do you expect from joe?

He ran and ultimately won on decency porn really. If people cared about policy then Warren or Bernie would have won the primary over him but ultimately they were crushed.

Overall he will be a better president than Trump on pretty much everything bar foreign policy where they are both hawks, but stuff like climate change, minimum wage are things he will be good on to be fair and those are issues that are pretty important right now.

He's not the president America needs in 2020, but when the alternative is Trump then yeah he had to win.

I don't expect a remarkable presidency, but even as a critic of him, I can't wait for him to be president as another 4 years of Trump would have been to much for everyone.

y0ssar1an22

Tell me how wrote: »

It's not true.

i don't know!

so tell me, what are bidens plans/policies/ideas

Strumms

Rjd2 wrote: »

He ran and ultimately won on decency porn really. If people cared about policy then Warren or Bernie would have won the primary over him but ultimately they were crushed.

Overall he will be a better president than Trump on pretty much everything bar foreign policy where they are both hawks, but stuff like climate change, minimum wage are things he will be good on to be fair and those are issues that are pretty important right now.

With Biden, you get the essence he’s the type of personality who wants everybody, the entire country to do well... Trump, the man makes no real apology for just being for the money people, his gang.

Beholders

HDMI wrote: »

Oddly the vote he would want for Biden is coming from the poorest parts of Atlanta where education is a real problem. So I guess each side will take their share of the "less educated voters"

You do releases you don't have to be educated to understand someone's making a fool of you, in fairness I think it happens naturally, that you come up with that idea, all on your own

HDMI

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

i don't know!

so tell me, what are bidens plans/policies/ideas

Hot cup of cocoa before bedtime around 8pm while President Harris gets ready to take over, so best to ask what her policies are. Biden hasn't got 4 years in him.

Tippex

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

gimme a simple answer so.

Its irrelevant for me like most posters here as I have no vote.

But the fact that he will get a handle on the covid response and be pro-active.
Rejoin paris accord.
Put a focus back on climate change.
Sort out the whole medicaid end of things.
Be a lot less divisive than Trump has been.

J2CVC

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

i don't know!

so tell me, what are bidens plans/policies/ideas

So you sided with Trump without even knowing Biden's policies? What attracted you so strongly to Donald?

HDMI

Beholders wrote: »

You do releases you don't have to be educated to understand someone's making a fool of you, in fairness I think it happens naturally, that you come up with that idea.

I'm uneducated white and live in small town USA so you might need to spell out more clearly what you're trying to say to me.

y0ssar1an22

Strumms wrote: »

With Biden, you get the essence he’s the type of personality who wants everybody, the entire country to do well... Trump, the man makes no real apology for just being for the money people, his gang.

as in a medal for everyone?

Tell me how

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

i don't know!

so tell me, what are bidens plans/policies/ideas

You don't know what?

Biden's plans/policies/idea are on his website.

Tell us which ones you have an issue with, or maybe just pick the ones which you think Trump has a better plan in relation to the subject and maybe summarise for us the weakness in Biden's plan and how Trumps is stronger in that respect.

Thanks.

~Rebel~

Rjd2 wrote: »

He ran and ultimately won on decency porn really. If people cared about policy then Warren or Bernie would have won the primary over him but ultimately they were crushed.

Overall he will be a better president than Trump on pretty much everything bar foreign policy where they are both hawks, but stuff like climate change, minimum wage are things he will be good on to be fair and those are issues that are pretty important right now.

It's not quite as simple as that... you say if people cared about policy - but which policy, and what position on it?

Personally, I'd agree, in terms of policy I'd rather Bernie (particularly because he's even stronger on climate). But Bernie is devisive. Bernie wouldn't have won this election.

Biden being a more watered down candidate becomes no-ones favourite candidate, but becomes everyone's compromise. And ultimately that's what an election is for... to find the candidate the most people are ok with, rather than the one that a smaller group are fanatical about.

Biden appeals just enough to the Bernie bro's to bring them out, but also has enough clout with the historic centre of the party to keep the party support intact behind him, and has a reputation for working across the aisle and strong relationships with a number of high profile Republicans (gave the eulogy at John McCains funeral and was backed by his wife for this election), so had the possibility to flip voters too.

He's the ultimate 'good-enough'.

Tippex

namloc1980 wrote: »

Ignore button works wonders with posters like that.

It does indeed but I put kid on ignore last week and then realised I was seeing them being quoted so much and missing part of the lunacy I had to remove the ignore lol

jill_valentine

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

i don't know!

so tell me, what are bidens plans/policies/ideas

People aren't humouring you because you've been provided with this answer both in informal paraphrasing and in links to formally illustrated formats. Pretending you don't see those responses looks foolish, rather than being some cunning chess move the way you seem to think.

It's very clear you're asking the question in bad faith, so people are batting you around for sport like a cat with a felt toy in the meantime, but it is tedious to me. You've been answered, you know you've been answered, you can't pretend you haven't been answered, and beyond that you're maliciously spamming.

So with all that clarified beyond doubt I'll drop you onto ignore to save the scrolling.

Rjd2

Strumms wrote: »

With Biden, you get the essence he’s the type of personality who wants everybody, the entire country to do well... Trump, the man makes no real apology for just being for the money people, his gang.

Wall street backed Biden hugely this time and if Mitch holds the senate its champagne time for them.

I don't really buy the middle class persona that Biden sells, but I do think he is politician that will go where the party and nation decides.

It's up to the left and the voters now to determine how the presidency plays out.

He may surprise even his critics, because I do think he will recognise 4 years of nothingness leads to something horrific in 2024.

He won't want his legacy to be the man who brought someone like Tucker Carlson the presidency.

Hopefully we get a stimulus passed now as I think both parties agree they have to do something to defuse the nation after such a horrific few months.

J2CVC

jill_valentine wrote: »

People aren't humouring you because you've been provided with this answer both in informal paraphrasing and in links to formally illustrated formats. Pretending you don't see those responses looks foolish, rather than being some cunning chess move the way you seem to think.

It's very clear you're asking the question in bad faith, so people are batting you around for sport like a cat with a felt toy in the meantime, but it is tedious to me. You've been answered, you know you've been answered, you're maliciously spamming beyond that.

So with all that clarified beyond doubt I'll drop you onto ignore to save the scrolling.

Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! :eek::D:pac:


And with that I think I'll go to bed. Night all.

The Floyd p

Tippex wrote: »

Sort out the whole medicaid end of things.

It depends on your definition of sorting it out, but Biden definitely won't go as far as it should. Medicare for All is the way forward, but at least keeping the ACA is at a minimum needed.

sheeplover55

Rjd2 wrote: »

He won't want his legacy to be the man who brought someone like Tucker Carlson the presidency.

Better Tucker than the creepy porn lawyer. :pac:

Peregrinus

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

gimme a simple answer so.

Knock yourself out.

But also bear in mind that, in an election in which voters are permitted only a simplistic binary choice, a comparison of policy positions won't necessarily be the decisive factor. Undoubtedly Biden's strongest electoral draw has always been that he's not Donald Trump, and that's something that the Republicans could never dispute and could never counter.

Strumms

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

as in a medal for everyone?

Never saw that in his manifesto

Job creation and affordable healthcare are in there though, to name two.

HDMI

The Floyd p wrote: »

It depends on your definition of sorting it out, but Biden definitely won't go as far as it should. Medicare for All is the way forward, but at least keeping the ACA is at a minimum needed.

The ACA could be gone before Biden even takes office

Tippex

The Floyd p wrote: »

It depends on your definition of sorting it out, but Biden definitely won't go as far as it should. Medicare for All is the way forward, but at least keeping the ACA is at a minimum needed.

100% agree with that but I don’t think it is possible to sort it in a single term. There is just to much to sort out and unravel there is so much money being made in medicine in the US for it to be done in a single term.

The Floyd p

Tippex wrote: »

100% agree with that but I don’t think it is possible to sort it in a single term. There is just to much to sort out and unravel there is so much money being made in medicine in the US for it to be done in a single term.

Agreed completely! Even watching Fox on election night, the polls they ran showed that their viewers want healthcare reform, but no one is running on making a significant change, and in voting for Trump, voting against their own interests.

Rjd2

~Rebel~ wrote: »

It's not quite as simple as that... you say if people cared about policy - but which policy, and what position on it?

Personally, I'd agree, in terms of policy I'd rather Bernie (particularly because he's even stronger on climate). But Bernie is devisive. Bernie wouldn't have won this election.

Biden being a more watered down candidate becomes no-ones favourite candidate, but becomes everyone's compromise. And ultimately that's what an election is for... to find the candidate the most people are ok with, rather than the one that a smaller group are fanatical about.

Biden appeals just enough to the Bernie bro's to bring them out, but also has enough clout with the historic centre of the party to keep the party support intact behind him, and has a reputation for working across the aisle and strong relationships with a number of high profile Republicans (gave the eulogy at John McCains funeral and was backed by his wife for this election), so had the possibility to flip voters too.

He's the ultimate 'good-enough'.

I think we both agree with each other more than you think.

If we look at policies and what the country needed in 2020 then Warren was probably the most interesting choice, but obviously the Dem base main concern was beating Trump.

That was something that haunted both Bernie and Warren, they had much more exciting politics, but Biden's obvious strength in the rust belt and Obama connection was much more alluring.

For me from a pure politics POV, he and Mayor Pete (the Democrat version of Rubio) were the least appealing choices in that field, but most people are not policy nerds and just a want a return to supposed normality of a time before Trump, I totally understand that.

jill_valentine

HDMI wrote: »

The ACA could be gone before Biden even takes office

True and it's a big concern. A big economic concern too, which I always feel is weirdly overlooked - the number one cause of bankruptcy in the US is medical debt, somebody drowning in medical debt is hamstrung in terms of generating GDP surely? At some point even Wall Street psychopaths have to recognise a common good.

Polar101

Trump is making it easy for Biden with his ravings. All Biden has to do is act completely the opposite (calmly), and he'll look good.

sheeplover55

If nothing is called tonight what's the likelihood we'll see some results tomorrow?