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Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

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    #8192
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,592 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    PalLimerick wrote: »
    This is my opinion and everyone has one.

    Biden will no doubt reach the 270. Trump will bring it to the SCOTUS and fraudulent votes will be discounted and entire states will be recounted under fair watch and Trump and Pence will win.

    I expect for some posters to ridicule me. I don't care.

    How many of these "fraudulent votes" do you think there will be that swings whole states to Trump?


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    #8193
    twinytwo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    PalLimerick wrote: »
    This is my opinion and everyone has one.

    Biden will no doubt reach the 270. Trump will bring it to the SCOTUS and fraudulent votes will be discounted and entire states will be recounted under fair watch and Trump and Pence will win.

    I expect for some posters to ridicule me. I don't care.

    You know, just because Trump keeps repeating something does not make it true


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    #8194
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    PalLimerick wrote: »
    This is my opinion and everyone has one.

    Biden will no doubt reach the 270. Trump will bring it to the SCOTUS and fraudulent votes will be discounted and entire states will be recounted under fair watch and Trump and Pence will win.

    I expect for some posters to ridicule me. I don't care.

    I agree there will be complete re-counts, but I don't think they will be able to find enough fraudulent votes to change the outcome (especially if NV, AZ, GA, PA go to Biden - he would need to reverse all of them).


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    #8195
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,365 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    How many of these "fraudulent votes" do you think there will be that swings whole states to Trump?

    All the ones for Biden


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    #8196
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users Posts: 26,511 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    PalLimerick wrote: »
    This is my opinion and everyone has one.

    Biden will no doubt reach the 270. Trump will bring it to the SCOTUS and fraudulent votes will be discounted and entire states will be recounted under fair watch and Trump and Pence will win.

    I expect for some posters to ridicule me. I don't care.
    You should, because you might learn something useful if you paid attention to what others have to say.

    While Trump and his fanboys have been banging on and on about fraudulent votes because they know people like you are gullible, none of the lawsuits that Trump has institituted allege that any fraudulent votes have been cast. This is because lawyers face disciplinary proceedings if they mount court proceedings on the basis of claims for which, it turns out, they have no evidence. There is no evidence that any fraudulent votes have been cast. Trump's public claims about this are strictly for the benefit of people who do not care whether they are true or not.

    So the Supreme Court will not be throwing out any fraudulent votes, because Trump is not claiming to the court that any fraudulent votes have been cast, and is not asking the court to exclude any fraudulent votes. So events will not unfold in accordance with your opinion.


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    #8197
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    PalLimerick wrote: »
    This is my opinion and everyone has one.

    Biden will no doubt reach the 270. Trump will bring it to the SCOTUS and fraudulent votes will be discounted and entire states will be recounted under fair watch and Trump and Pence will win.

    I expect for some posters to ridicule me. I don't care.

    Why would republican controlled states allow 1000s of fraudulent votes. It is ridiculous to suggest and extremely dangerous. Trump undermined America last night so much for his so called patriotism.
    How many Republican politician are supporting him?


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    #8198
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    fits wrote: »
    What fraudulent votes?

    There will be fraudulent votes (there always is) but very good chance they even themselves out (Dem and Rep).

    Trumps only hope is to get courts to declare mail in votes as invalid for pretty much all the battleground states (good luck with that).

    Unfortunately the baseless allegations Trump is spewing will end up costing folks their lives...


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    #8199
    Dressoutlet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭Dressoutlet


    PalLimerick wrote: »
    This is my opinion and everyone has one.

    Biden will no doubt reach the 270. Trump will bring it to the SCOTUS and fraudulent votes will be discounted and entire states will be recounted under fair watch and Trump and Pence will win.

    I expect for some posters to ridicule me. I don't care.

    I'm not going to ridicule you, but I'd like to point out that he cannot just take a case to the SC, especially without any proof. There are plenty more things that need to be done before it goes to SC and that is only with proof, not somebodies word.

    He is already getting thrown out of court with his claims.


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    #8200
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,308 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    PalLimerick wrote: »
    This is my opinion and everyone has one.

    Biden will no doubt reach the 270. Trump will bring it to the SCOTUS and fraudulent votes will be discounted and entire states will be recounted under fair watch and Trump and Pence will win.

    I expect for some posters to ridicule me. I don't care.

    There's a tiny little problem with that theory....there are no fraudulent votes.


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    #8201
    Dressoutlet
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    joe40 wrote: »
    Why would republican controlled states allow 1000s of fraudulent votes. It is ridiculous to suggest and extremely dangerous. Trump undermined America last night so much for his so called patriotism.
    How many Republican politician are supporting him?

    Also, why would the Dems rig the election and leave a republican senate. I would say the Republicans wanted GOP and just not Trump, but with a record number of votes for Trump, I'd say more Dems just didn't want Trump


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    #8202
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,567 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    namloc1980 wrote:
    There's a tiny little problem with that theory....there are no fraudulent votes.


    To be fair, there probably is, but certainly not enough to change Bidens clear victory


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    #8203
    OscarMIlde
    Registered Users Posts: 774 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    Maybe a sea of these types of statements?

    https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1324511245635117056?s=19

    I was never a fan of Mittens before, but whether for optics or a genuine sense of political decency and due process, he has stood against Trumpian values for some time now. He was the only republican to vote to impeach him.

    If only more in that party could do the same, but we've seen how they view the political system as a game to be won and exploited rather than a chance to govern and lead a country's citizens as best they can.


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    #8204
    reg114
    Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭reg114


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    To be fair, there probably is, but certainly not enough to change Bidens clear victory

    Voter fraud in America is simply a myth.

    Justin Levitt, a law professor at Loyola Law School who tracks such cases, identified only 31 impersonation incidents between 2000 and 2014 across the country, out of more than 1 billion ballots cast.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-voter-fraud-facts-explai-idUSKBN2601HG


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    #8205
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    OscarMIlde wrote: »
    I was never a fan of Mittens before, but whether for optics or a genuine sense of political decency and due process, he has stood against Trumpian values for some time now. He was the only republican to vote to impeach him.

    If only more in that party could do the same, but we've seen how they view the political system as a game to be won and exploited rather than a chance to govern and lead a country's citizens as best they can.

    It would also help if the Dems got their act together, this election could have been a slam dunk, but again they seem disorganised and IMO Biden is a poor candidate and I can't see him lasting 4 years (there will simply be too many senior moments), again IMO...


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    #8206
    reg114
    Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭reg114


    OscarMIlde wrote: »
    I was never a fan of Mittens before, but whether for optics or a genuine sense of political decency and due process, he has stood against Trumpian values for some time now. He was the only republican to vote to impeach him.

    If only more in that party could do the same, but we've seen how they view the political system as a game to be won and exploited rather than a chance to govern and lead a country's citizens as best they can.

    Romney did however support Trump's nomination of Amy Coney Barrett for the supreme court prior to the election despite the Republicans whingeing and moaning about democrats wanting to replace Justice Scalia when Obama was president.


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    #8207
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,340 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Trump is basically Gemma O'Doherty, except Americans bought into it.


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    #8208
    reg114
    Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭reg114


    schmoo2k wrote: »
    It would also help if the Dems got their act together, this election could have been a slam dunk, but again they seem disorganised and IMO Biden is a poor candidate and I can't see him lasting 4 years (there will simply be too many senior moments), again IMO...

    You're not wrong. The democrats have have been so busy being offended by Trump that they have taken their eye off the ball. Its very clear many Americans see the democratic party as socialist and elitist and completely unrelatable. Its insane that Biden, a very unremarkable career politician was the democrat's greatest and only chance of regaining the whitehouse, at 77 years of age. Biden at the moment reminds me of an ageing Reagan during the final years of his presidency when he was prone to many senior moments himself.


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    #8209
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    schmoo2k wrote: »
    It would also help if the Dems got their act together, this election could have been a slam dunk, but again they seem disorganised and IMO Biden is a poor candidate and I can't see him lasting 4 years (there will simply be too many senior moments), again IMO...

    This election could turn out very good for the democrats yet. It is slow because of postal votes but could yet be a comfortable EC win. It is already a popular vote win.


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    #8210
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    super_furry wrote: »
    Trump is basically Gemma O'Doherty, except Americans bought into it.




    Never underestimate the stupidity of others


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    #8211
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,572 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    PalLimerick wrote:
    Biden will no doubt reach the 270. Trump will bring it to the SCOTUS and fraudulent votes will be discounted and entire states will be recounted under fair watch and Trump and Pence will win.

    Based on what? Magical fairies and pixie dust? Because Trump says so?

    Where's the evidence for starters. Trump has railed against mail in votes since the beginning so when the votes are counted and are largely Democrat that is of his own doing.

    He got a great vote out on the day but let's remember the vast, VAST majority of these (largely) Democrat votes have been sitting in voting centres for a few weeks at this stage, having been blocked from getting a headstart and counting them prior to election day. Why should they not be eligible, because Trump doesn't understand how vote counts work?

    Trump is going to lose and no amount of him wailing about cheating is going to help him.

    It's over, it's done. The sooner his supporters realise that and stop talking about conspiracy theories the sooner everyone can move on.


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    #8212
    eviltimeban
    Registered Users Posts: 5,100 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Georgia now 665 votes in the difference.


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    #8213
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,181 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    fits wrote: »
    Biden expected to overtake Trump in PA in 2-3 hours time

    Margin in Georgia is now +1267 for Trump.

    Down to 665 now!


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    #8214
    Mehapoy
    Registered Users Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Mehapoy


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Down to 665 now!

    Biden won't even need PA, the Trump supporters are not going to know where to disrupt voting in! Presume they'll suddenly want 'recounts now's in every state


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    #8215
    bennyineire
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    Will Georgia and Penn keep counting throughout the night


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    #8216
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    bennyineire wrote: »
    Will Georgia and Penn keep counting throughout the night
    Georgia seems to be and is now down to a gap of 600. Not 100% sure about PA.


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    #8217
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,181 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Trump sounds physically exhausted. He's on the verge of a physical collapse.


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    #8218
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Trump sounds physically exhausted. He's on the verge of a physical collapse.
    He has already had a mental collapse.


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    #8219
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,215 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    fits wrote: »
    What fraudulent votes?

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    #8220
    7aubzxk43m2sni
    Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭7aubzxk43m2sni


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Stupid meme

    There's a big difference. Election interference is a foreign influence manipulating voters in various ways, be it through advertising on social media, astroturfing, etc.

    Rigging the election is an entirely different matter.


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    #8221
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    This presidential election was entirely a referendum on Trump. It is irrelevant who he ran against, you know this because the Democrats failed to unseat incumbant Republicans in their senate and lost seats in their congress despite the billionaire class dumping $300 million in campaigns against them. Once the shouting is over Trump will go and the permanent goverment (aka the deep state) will be the winner. The US political system though will be gridlocked with neither side able to advance their agenda so a state of atrophy will be the result.

    Trump may have lost the presidential election by slim margins, however, Trumpism is not going away and neither is the debt run up under his and previous administrations. Americans will have an empty suit as their president and a vice-president that only satisfies media virtue signalling (she was rejected during the DNC primaries). This election will leave a bitter aftertaste in both sides mouths. If the current outcome is not resolved lawfully, then one side is going to perceive the election was stolen from them and not trust future elections, it is clear that there is some level of fraud in the masil in votes but it is at the edges and it has always been there, most states are going to need to clean up their processes in advance of future elections otherise either side can dispute the results. The other side is not going to be happy either, because issues like healthcare are not going to be advanced by the current administration, they may be relieved Trump is gone, however the virus does not respect who runs the country. The media cannot blame the next black man killed by police on Trump and they can’t turn off the coronavirus panic. Does the virus suddenly go away because someone new is in the White House? The media will have a hard time putting Trump on the front page once he is gone, if they continue to do that then he casts a shadow over the incoming administration and they must take into account the significant number of the electorate that did not vote for Biden.

    Some good things may come of this election cycle and that might be a dent in the identity politics narrative as the DNC and RNC comes to realise it alienates voters and cannot win future elections without appealing to enought of the other side. The noxious hate group ANTIFA have now outstayed their usefulness for the current election cycle and the state national guard have finally been called in on them in Oregon.


    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1324416507854561282


    What does a Biden presidency mean for the Irish state? Same as Trumps Nothing the American state has it's own internal problems to deal with, Ireland and Brexit are not one of them, of more signifucance to American foreign policy is containing the Sino-Russian alliance.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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