Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

Billy Mays

What happened Donnie's biggest pair of cheerleaders on here???

Blowfish

Eric Cartman wrote: »

A republican candidate pretty much cannot win the popular vote anymore, california, NY and a few others on the eastern seaboard assure that.
The electoral college is the only thing that means states like colorado or minesota actually have a say in their own elections

See it's interesting. What you are actually saying there is that the Republican party simply do not and cannot appeal to the majority of the electorate. You don't see why that's an issue they may need to fix, no?

schmoo2k

newhouse87 wrote: »

yeah it was trump i was talking about so they were off again. Shy trump support was insinuated and i think its correct.

5% Shy Trump voters seems more than plausible to me...

tigger123

Billy Mays wrote: »

What happened Donnie's biggest pair of cheerleaders on here???

Been wondering that myself.

owlbethere

Trumps outgoing comments are awful....
"the election is rigged...." as an example.

Many people will probably adopt that narrative and all it will do is cause unrest if Joe Biden wins the presidency. Awful, awful, awful thing to do especially now in the middle of a pandemic with many people sick and dying over there. He never gave a sh1te about the pandemic and the health and care for his people with the novel coronavirus.

namloc1980

paddythere wrote: »

At this stage it seems clear that Trump will not step aside no matter what. As far I can see, it all depends of what position the Army take. Surely to **** the Army will realize that their job is to serve the constitution, not a conman who wants to dismiss the election result by referring to his buddy judges who owe him a favour? Because if it gets to the Supreme Court they will almost certainly side with Trump

The Army will not get involved. Trump can cry and whine all he wants but his term will end on the 20th January. The way he's behaving I wouldn't be surprised if he is escorted out of the White House on that day.

7aubzxk43m2sni

463 in the difference in Georgia, with over 6000 still to come in from two strongly democratic counties.

omega man

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

FBI have arrested 2 armed men who were on their way to the count center in Philly.

Trump putting the lives of people who are merely election workers doing civic duty in danger.

From Virginia unsurprisingly.

Pherekydes

Billy Mays wrote: »

What happened Donnie's biggest pair of cheerleaders on here???

See post #8301.

:pac:

robinph

paddythere wrote: »

At this stage it seems clear that Trump will not step aside no matter what. As far I can see, it all depends of what position the Army take. Surely to **** the Army will realize that their job is to serve the constitution, not a conman who wants to dismiss the election result by referring to his buddy judges who owe him a favour? Because if it gets to the Supreme Court they will almost certainly side with Trump

There is nothing for the court to side with though, its all just crazy ranting from the depths of Trumps head.

The court would still need to see some evidence of something to make a decision.

ohnonotgmail

robinph wrote: »

Seems that all but one county in Georgia has stopped counting whilst they go home for a well deserved sleep...except for one county that is where John Lewis was from. They clearly want to be the county that trips it over to Biden.

wouldn't that be very sweet

Ardent

paddythere wrote: »

Because if it gets to the Supreme Court they will almost certainly side with Trump

I'm not so sure. Many republicans are distancing themselves from Trump and his antics. You can't defend the indefensible without doing damage to your own reputation and career.

Kermit.de.frog

namloc1980 wrote: »

The Army will not get involved. Trump can cry and whine all he wants but his term will end on the 20th January. The way he's behaving I wouldn't be surprised if he is escorted out of the White House on that day.

In Nixons case senior republicans showed up at the White House with whiskey and revolver to tell him to go.

Same again, I predict.

schmoo2k

tigger123 wrote: »

Been wondering that myself.

Parking Trump for a moment - the Democrats have really underperformed in the House and Senate - looks like the Jan run off elections for the Senate are going to be very important. Again shame on the Democrats for running a poor campaign.

7aubzxk43m2sni

Pennsylvania:

Trump ahead by 18k

160k votes to come in from mainly strongly democratic areas - some going over 80% Biden.

For Forks Sake

Would be delightful if it was John Lewis former district that puts Biden over the top in Georgia

Busi_Girl08

Let's keep inmind that even after Biden's win, Trump will still be pres until January. I'm genuinely worried about what he's going to do while he still has the power to do so.

Whatever happens, it's not going to be a peaceful transition.

cj maxx

Forget trump /Biden . The 2 most impressive things are the boobs on your wan on cnn
Light entertainment

johnmcdnl

sondagefaux wrote: »

US presidential elections have two phases: the democratic vote and the Electoral College vote.

Clinton won the democratic vote in 2016.

She received 65,853,514 votes; Trump received 62,984,828 votes.

Trump is a two-for-two loser in the democratic vote phase of the presidential elections.

If it wasn't for the archaic and undemocratic electoral college system, Trump would never have become president.

His supporters should remember that when they try to lecture the rest of us about respecting his mandate.

Whether the electoral college is fair or not is a discussion for another day, but if the system to choose the president was based on overall votes rather than the EC, then different campaigns and campaigning may have been used.

If I am a Republican in California I mightn't brother my arse to go vote. Likewise a democrat in Alaska.
You can't say winning popular vote in 2016 would have translated to a win for Hilary Clinton if a different system was in use. It just isn't that simple.

ThunbergsAreGo

What is Matt Cooper going to do when this is done....

VinLieger

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

In Nixons case senior republicans showed up at the White House with whiskey and revolver to tell him to go.

Same again, I predict.

Lindsay Graham i think is the most senior republican ive seen supporting him, giuliani and gingirch don't really count imo.



Its down to Mitch now i think and id say hes waiting to see which way Georgia and Pennsylvania go.

tigger123

schmoo2k wrote: »

Parking Trump for a moment - the Democrats have really underperformed in the House and Senate - looks like the Jan run off elections for the Senate are going to be very important. Again shame on the Democrats for running a poor campaign.

They have a lot of soul searching to do. They're like Labour in England in so far as they've drifted more towards the liberal middle classes and left the working class behind.

But maybe that's the way forward; the right will represent the lower class and the left the middle class.

The left everywhere is in the same boat; it needs to figure out who and what it is.

Penn

robinph wrote: »

There is nothing for the court to side with though, its all just crazy ranting from the depths of Trumps head.

The court would still need to see some evidence of something to make a decision.

I think Trump's speech last night put a huge hole in any legal challenges he might make. It's shown that the states he's accusing are the ones he's losing in which could swing the election, he has no proof and these are just things he's heard. Hell at one point he was saying observers weren't allowed to be close enough to the counters, but had to be 40ft away.... 60ft... 80... 100........ outside...... They're having to use binoculars....

It's rambling. I wouldn't have expected him to start showing evidence during his speech, but his accusations weren't even in any way coherent or logical. That speech last night will be used to counter any legal challenges he makes to higher courts.

tobefrank321

Kolton Salty Streamer wrote: »

Pennsylvania:

Trump ahead by 18k

160k votes to come in from mainly strongly democratic areas - some going over 80% Biden.

So he could win by 100k.
That might push him over the 1% recount margin.

paddythere

robinph wrote: »

There is nothing for the court to side with though, its all just crazy ranting from the depths of Trumps head.

The court would still need to see some evidence of something to make a decision.

You're assuming the SC judges are moral and rational legal experts though. We're talking about Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, Clarence Thomas etc... Add to this the fact that Trump supporters legitimately believe there has been fraud and since Trump predicted it, this seems to confirm it for them.

The Trump's will point to a number of mistakes which inevitably happen when 150 million votes are cast (as well as conjuring up allegations of deliberate interference and anecdotal accounts) and the conservative judges will side with him imo.

VinLieger

johnmcdnl wrote: »

If I am a Republican in California I mightn't brother my arse to go vote. Likewise a democrat in Alaska.
You can't say winning popular vote in 2016 would have translated to a win for Hilary Clinton if a different system was in use. It just isn't that simple.

Then you would be stupid as theres also senate, house, state legislature and legislation changes on the ballot all of which most definitely could be affected by your vote.

sydthebeat

Billy Mays wrote: »

What happened Donnie's biggest pair of cheerleaders on here???

Site banned for numerous reregs

namloc1980

VinLieger wrote: »

Lindsay Graham i think is the most senior republican ive seen supporting him, giuliani and gingirch don't really count imo.



Its down to Mitch now i think and id say hes waiting to see which way Georgia and Pennsylvania go.

Graham is a total Trump sycophant. McConnell has already said that all the votes must be counted.

Penn

johnmcdnl wrote: »

Whether the electoral college is fair or not is a discussion for another day, but if the system to choose the president was based on overall votes rather than the EC, then different campaigns and campaigning may have been used.

If I am a Republican in California I mightn't brother my arse to go vote. Likewise a democrat in Alaska.
You can't say winning popular vote in 2016 would have translated to a win for Hilary Clinton if a different system was in use. It just isn't that simple.

No but at the very least the number of votes per state should be addressed, and perhaps extra EC votes go to the winner of the popular vote nationwide.

It isn't that simple, but I think especially for most of us looking from the outside-in, there's a crazy system there that needs to be addressed.

VinLieger

namloc1980 wrote: »

Graham is a total Trump sycophant. McConnell has already said that all the votes must be counted.

No Graham is a leech, he will attach to whatever will get him where he wants to go, it used to be McCain now its Trump, tomorrow..... who knows?