Trump vs Biden 2020, And the winner is.......... (pt 4) Read OP

Boggles

namloc1980 wrote: »

Won't matter at this stage.

Probably not, but Arizona and how it is voting is important going forward.

gmisk

Iscreamkone wrote: »

Biden to win 2020
Trump to go again in 2024 and become only the second president ever to win non consecutive terms.
Doing a Grover - after The 22nd and 24th President, Grover Cleveland.

A 78 year old Trump given his health...zero chance imo.
Send in the clones/clowns...trump jr possibly

tigger123

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I don't know why people are saying this stuff. In the popular vote for President a margin of less than 10 million either way is normal, and will be the case this time as well. And from memory the two houses are not normally controlled by the one party. As populations change, different voting patterns will emerge, and again that is normal. The USA is and has been for a while a 50/50 split.

The Democrats were traditionally the party of the blue collar working class. Now that cohort mostly vote Republican.

Labour were traditionally the party of the working class, and they have lost serious ground to the Tory (Brexit) Party.

The US is still divided, but party loyalties have changed.

On a separate point though, if the Democrats are struggling to oust Trump, a man who by any metric is incompetent (and the eventual margins remain to be seen), they need to examine their message and the worldview they are selling. Or, they need to double down on the middle class.

forumdedum

nullzero wrote: »

I don't like Trump, but some of the crap being posted about him is really off the wall.

I don't think this is crap. He is a nobody to me. Always has been since 2016. I really would not notice.

jill_valentine

Deleted User wrote: »

Your fears are misplaced. There won't be any violence from Trump supporters - the odd loon aside - you will always get idiots in any crowd.

I did want Trump to win but this is now becoming a slow-motion car crash. I had hoped Trump would see sense by now and plot a gracious exit. However seeing the headlines of his speech last night it seems he has firmly dug his trench.

This could be messy. Hopefully his family can talk some sense into him and get him to concede.

Two men have already been arrested on their way to shoot up a count centre in Pennsylvania.

Here's one of them posing with GOP VA Senator:

https://mobile.twitter.com/GoadGatsby/status/1324607001125683200

is_that_so

gmisk wrote: »

A 78 year old Trump given his health...zero chance imo.
Send in the clones/clowns...trump jr possibly

The Trump boys are as appealing as lancing a boil and thick as two short planks. Ivanka though ...

I see sheep

For Forks Sake

gmisk wrote: »

A 78 year old Trump given his health...zero chance imo.
Send in the clones/clowns...trump jr possibly

All going well they'll all be in jail before then

dxhound2005

tigger123 wrote: »

The Democrats were traditionally the party of the blue collar working class. Now that cohort mostly vote Republican.

Labour were traditionally the party of the working class, and they have lost serious ground to the Tory (Brexit) Party.

The US is still divided, but party loyalties have changed.

On a separate point though, if the Democrats are struggling to oust Trump, a man who by any metric is incompetent (and the eventual margins remain to be seen), they need to examine their message and the worldview they are selling. Or, they need to double down on the middle class.

In modern times the three Presidents to get a bigger than 10 million margins were LBJ, Nixon and Reagan. The latter two shows that the American people can be liable to make strange choices. I agree with you, and I said it, as populations change voting patterns change.

degrassinoel

Paddypower have Trump winning at 14-1, Biden at 1-40..

Tbh I've more faith in the bookies than i do in the news at this point.

namloc1980

Boggles wrote: »

Probably not, but Arizona and how it is voting is important going forward.

Trump scraping through in Arizona (if he does) is a bad sign for the Republicans - they've won Arizona at every presidential election since 1952 with the only exception being Clinton in 1996.

Phoenix is turning increasingly Democratic and has had a influx of people from California in recent years.

omega man

Georgia on my mind.

dxhound2005

degrassinoel wrote: »

Paddypower have Trump winning at 14-1, Biden at 1-40..

Tbh I've more faith in the bookies than i do in the news at this point.

Get your money on Biden so.

Billy Mays

degrassinoel wrote: »

Paddypower have Trump winning at 14-1, Biden at 1-40..

Tbh I've more faith in the bookies than i do in the news at this point.

jill_valentine

So, to give an idea of how mental the effect of the electoral college is -

"834,533 people in Alabama voted for Biden. That's more people than voted for Biden in Vermont, Delaware and DC combined. Alabama has more Dem voters than won Biden nine electoral votes."

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrcoEsquandolas/status/1324375643233157120

degrassinoel

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Get your money on Biden so.

1 cent on a bet of 40 cent for him winning, not worth it unless ye have thousands to throw around

Boggles

Have we a total of how much collectively will be lost to the bookies by all those "users" so eager to post their betting slips a couple of nights ago?

Christy42

namloc1980 wrote: »

Trump scraping through in Arizona (if he does) is a bad sign for the Republicans - they've won Arizona at every presidential election since 1952 with the only exception being Clinton in 1996.

Phoenix is turning increasingly Democratic and has had a influx of people from California in recent years.

Big for the jobs of those at fox news as well. I imagine they are on a short leash given recent conversations in that building. Heck on twitter I have seen some people blame the election loss on Fox calling Arizona too early.

AP calling a state wrong as well.

Edit: presuming it goes to Trump which I am not convinced of.

screamer

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

Let's keep inmind that even after Biden's win, Trump will still be pres until January. I'm genuinely worried about what he's going to do while he still has the power to do so.

Whatever happens, it's not going to be a peaceful transition.

Heard discussed on the radio that he could step down, hand presidency to Pence and as payback for that Pence pardons Trump for all the stuff that’s been stacking up against him since becoming POTUS. Surprising? Not at all, Trump is thoroughly unpredictable

VinLieger

jill_valentine wrote: »

So, to give an idea of how mental the effect of the electoral college is -

"834,533 people in Alabama voted for Biden. That's more people than voted for Biden in Vermont, Delaware and DC combined. Alabama has more Dem voters than won Biden nine electoral votes."

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrcoEsquandolas/status/1324375643233157120

Check out the weight of each viote per state, its an absurd system


https://theconversation.com/whose-votes-count-the-least-in-the-electoral-college-74280

Boggles

screamer wrote: »

Heard discussed on the radio that he could step down, hand presidency to Pence and as payback for that Pence pardons Trump for all the stuff that’s been stacking up against him since becoming POTUS. Surprising? Not at all, Trump is thoroughly unpredictable

Can you be pardoned before been found guilty of a federal crime?

jill_valentine

hmmm wrote: »

History will be very kind to Biden's campaign. Flipping Georgia, winning Arizona and taking back MI, WI, PA in the face of an incumbent President who increased his vote.

Imagine what the narrative would have been if the votes were counted in order. The mail ins would have clinched PA and several others from the get go, and the visual would have been of Trump trying and failing to catch up.

VinLieger

Boggles wrote: »

Can you be pardoned before been found guilty of a federal crime?

Nope

woohoo!!!

So Georgia, about 10,000 votes left to count. A mix of GOP and Dem counties still to report. The remaining votes are mail-in ballots, where Biden has heavily been out performing Trump. Without Georgia, Trump cannot win.

Sweet.Science

Great stuff Joe

Never in doubt . Well done America

Donald Trump

screamer wrote: »

Heard discussed on the radio that he could step down, hand presidency to Pence and as payback for that Pence pardons Trump for all the stuff that’s been stacking up against him since becoming POTUS. Surprising? Not at all, Trump is thoroughly unpredictable

I'd imagine that you have to have something to be pardoned from. No?



I'd doubt you can be pardoned from an allegation/rumour. You probably have to be charged and convicted.



Would probably have to organise to be charged, convicted and then pardoned before inauguration day.

boardise

namloc1980 wrote: »

The Army will not get involved. Trump can cry and whine all he wants but his term will end on the 20th January. The way he's behaving I wouldn't be surprised if he is escorted out of the White House on that day.

Presumably if he's still in the WH after Jan 20 he could be done for something like trespassing. Hopefully it won't come to anything this bizarre.

Donald Trump

omega man wrote: »

Georgia on my mind.

Salpa?




Mine too

Smee_Again

Boggles wrote: »

Can you be pardoned before been found guilty of a federal crime?

Regardless, the investigations in NY are at state level not federal and the President can only pardon federal crimes not state crimes.

Maybe Cuomo will pardon him:D

namloc1980

Donald Trump wrote: »

I'd imagine that you have to have something to be pardoned from. No?



I'd doubt you can be pardoned from an allegation/rumour. You probably have to be charged and convicted.



Would probably have to organise to be charged, convicted and then pardoned before inauguration day.

Ford gave Nixon an unconditional pardon for anything illegal he did or might have done.