USA Election - Who would you vote for? POLL

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Tileman wrote: »

Was that clip recent?

It looks like when reading the tag line on the BBC footage.
Does it really matter?

jaymla627

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Do the Biden supporters on here know about his passion for women and children?

Their could be video evidence of Biden, going at it with underage girls at this stage and the media would bury it, it's pretty screwed up on social media and mainstream media the mocking and jeering of the allegations of voter fraud even though some really compelling evidence is starting to come out if you look at the right sources but not one of the mainstream outlets is reporting on it

ganmo

jaymla627 wrote: »

Their could be video evidence of Biden, going at it with underage girls at this stage and the media would bury it, it's pretty screwed up on social media and mainstream media the mocking and jeering of the allegations of voter fraud even though some really compelling evidence is starting to come out if you look at the right sources but not one of the mainstream outlets is reporting on it

you don't think FOX would of got their hands on it?

Just remember donald paid a porn star to not sell her story, he was caught on a hot mic saying he could sexually assault models.

and ya know what the worst thing about his presidency...he had no 1st dog :eek:

Talk of Trump starting his own TV network, be like a private Twitter just for him.

Welding Rod

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Talk of Trump starting his own TV network, be like a private Twitter just for him.

At this stage, I suspect he would struggle to attract advertising revenue! Hard to run a TV network without it!
Even though he got 70 million votes, his post election antics have seriously damaged the Trump brand. Once he is out, and Biden in place, he will be massively exposed to multiple legal investigations. Without the protection of the office of President, he is seriously exposed financially, and erstwhile friends and acquaintances will desert him like rats off a sinking ship.

_Brian

Welding Rod wrote: »

At this stage, I suspect he would struggle to attract advertising revenue! Hard to run a TV network without it!
Even though he got 70 million votes, his post election antics have seriously damaged the Trump brand. Once he is out, and Biden in place, he will be massively exposed to multiple legal investigations. Without the protection of the office of President, he is seriously exposed financially, and erstwhile friends and acquaintances will desert him like rats off a sinking ship.

His fraud claims is just acting like a spoiled baby. He’s beat, and everyone around him knows it, anyone saying otherwise is humouring him not to feel his wrath over then next 70 days.

He he fired the defence secretary because he wouldn’t deploy the army on protesters. I wonder is the replacement more likely to deploy the army to protect trump in the whitehouse ??

In the next 70 days he can either be an outgoing president who leaves with some small shreds of respect or the guy who goes down crying and whinging and making American democracy look pathetic. If he does that it will destroy his chances of Mayor of nyc, or running again in 2024.

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_Brian wrote: »

His fraud claims is just acting like a spoiled baby. He’s beat, and everyone around him knows it, anyone saying otherwise is humouring him not to feel his wrath over then next 70 days.

He he fired the defence secretary because he wouldn’t deploy the army on protesters. I wonder is the replacement more likely to deploy the army to protect trump in the whitehouse ??

In the next 70 days he can either be an outgoing president who leaves with some small shreds of respect or the guy who goes down crying and whinging and making American democracy look pathetic. If he does that it will destroy his chances of Mayor of nyc, or running again in 2024.

It appears that Donald Jnr is eying up that possibility.

Gillespy

Biden isn't elected yet. Still short he is only projected. Why the panic for Trump to concede. He's there until late Jan anyway. Everyone should be open to listen to any concerns around the election. You are naive in the extreme if you think foul play isn't possible after watching the way the Democrats carried on for four years. If you want to talk about undermining democracy, look no further than them. Crying and throwing tantrums is their game. Note to lack of burning cities, tells you everything.

Welding Rod

Welding Rod wrote: »

At this stage, I suspect he would struggle to attract advertising revenue! Hard to run a TV network without it!
Even though he got 70 million votes, his post election antics have seriously damaged the Trump brand. Once he is out, and Biden in place, he will be massively exposed to multiple legal investigations. Without the protection of the office of President, he is seriously exposed financially, and erstwhile friends and acquaintances will desert him like rats off a sinking ship.

All of the accusations against him, all the alliances he tried to break, all the enemies he tried to befriend, even ones actively killing US troops, his dodgy business dealings, grabbing pussies, etc.

70 million still voted for him.

People need to reflect a little deeper on WHY they did so. The US isn't Europe and it's foolhardy to put European ideals onto people across the Atlantic.

_Brian

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70 million still voted for him.

People need to reflect a little deeper on WHY they did so. The US isn't Europe and it's foolhardy to put European ideals onto people across the Atlantic.

This is a vital fact in all this..


Biden and his team will be busy building bridges, not only with the wider international community but within the USA itself..


Early talk is promising, he is using all the right language of inclusion etc..

jaymla627

Gillespy wrote: »

Biden isn't elected yet. Still short he is only projected. Why the panic for Trump to concede. He's there until late Jan anyway. Everyone should be open to listen to any concerns around the election. You are naive in the extreme if you think foul play isn't possible after watching the way the Democrats carried on for four years. If you want to talk about undermining democracy, look no further than them. Crying and throwing tantrums is their game. Note to lack of burning cities, tells you everything.

Watched the video the other day of Hilary Clinton calling Tulsia Gabbard a agent of Russia when the primaries where ongoing the same women is a 16 year army veteran who served two tours in Iraq, and now a sitting Congress women, and a Democrat....
The hump poor Hilary had was Gabbard had backed Bernie Saunders in the 2016 election so was on her naughty list, she was the ideal candidate to run as VP over Camilla Harris who is a pure sadist, but she wasnt towing the party line so hadn't a prayer

_Brian

See Borris has called Biden to congratulate him on winning.

With a US deal, or the threat of it so important to brexit negotiations he has no option but to suck up to Joe. For sure it will burn the bridges with the Don.

The election hasn’t been formally called but even Borris can see that the chances of Trump overcoming the result is minimal.

JohnnyKq

Gillespy wrote: »

Biden isn't elected yet. Still short he is only projected. Why the panic for Trump to concede. He's there until late Jan anyway. Everyone should be open to listen to any concerns around the election. You are naive in the extreme if you think foul play isn't possible after watching the way the Democrats carried on for four years. If you want to talk about undermining democracy, look no further than them. Crying and throwing tantrums is their game. Note to lack of burning cities, tells you everything.

For many months the Trump camp were flagging fowl play on the election process.
Its a pity the person in power, the President, did not address these concerns in advance of the elections

_Brian

JohnnyKq wrote: »

For many months the Trump camp were flagging fowl play on the election process.
Its a pity the person in power, the President, did not address these concerns in advance of the elections

He knew well ti ere was nothing to fix. Records have shown something like 0.0005% fraud in mail on ballots.

iconicon

Al Gore was given weeks to contest results in court and recounts in 2000
It will probably be the same this time.
Would it be fair to say that Trump won most of rural vote?

ganmo

iconicon wrote: »

Al Gore was given weeks to contest results in court and recounts in 2000
It will probably be the same this time.
Would it be fair to say that Trump won most of rural vote?

in some of the states it was the cities that won it for biden. haven't looked at it too close or will I

ganmo

if he does start up his own tv station all the rest will stop talking about him! I couldn't think of anything better

ganmo

ganmo wrote: »

if he does start up his own tv station all the rest will stop talking about him! I couldn't think of anything better

I think there's a lot of wishful thinking on this thread. He could retain quite a lot of influence within the GOP, I've read articles saying he's already diverted money from the legal fund to a new Political Action Committee. If he were to couple that with a media company, which to be fair to him he's well acquainted with, I can't see him going quietly out to pasture any time soon.

My money is on one of the kids running in 2024. Be enough to frighten the GOP that their vote would be split.

memorystick

Deleted User wrote: »

I think there's a lot of wishful thinking on this thread. He could retain quite a lot of influence within the GOP, I've read articles saying he's already diverted money from the legal fund to a new Political Action Committee. If he were to couple that with a media company, which to be fair to him he's well acquainted with, I can't see him going quietly out to pasture any time soon.

My money is on one of the kids running in 2024. Be enough to frighten the GOP that their vote would be split.

I doubt the GOP grassroots would vote for him which would probably mean he’d go independent. That would take from the Republican vote which would help the Democratics.

We’re so much better that Trump is gone in terms of trade and stability.

yosemitesam1

memorystick wrote: »

I doubt the GOP grassroots would vote for him which would probably mean he’d go independent. That would take from the Republican vote which would help the Democratics.

We’re so much better that Trump is gone in terms of trade and stability.

But will the average American be better off without him? A large amount of average people benefit from the America first approach he had, something that is forgotten about over here.

bogman_bass

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

But will the average American be better off without him? A large amount of average people benefit from the America first approach he had, something that is forgotten about over here.

Do they though. Corn and soya growers needed a huge bailout to cover up the cracks of the trade war with China .
Harley Davidson has had to cut back production because they rely on trade with Europe.

memorystick

memorystick wrote: »

I doubt the GOP grassroots would vote for him which would probably mean he’d go independent. That would take from the Republican vote which would help the Democratics.

We’re so much better that Trump is gone in terms of trade and stability.

It only helps the Democrats if the Republicans go against him, have we seen that happening...............

I'm not sure I agree with the other point, I know personally I don't. But, I'm not sure returning to the status quo pre Trump really benefits any normal person. The super wealthy get wealthier, and the pool of of people struggling to make ends meet grows.

jaymla627

Deleted User wrote: »

It only helps the Democrats if the Republicans go against him, have we seen that happening...............

I'm not sure I agree with the other point, I know personally I don't. But, I'm not sure returning to the status quo pre Trump really benefits any normal person. The super wealthy get wealthier, and the pool of of people struggling to make ends meet grows.

Once the BLM leaders and Antifa realise the status quo will be carried on in a Biden administration, civil unrest will ramp up, the mask will drop then when camilla starts jailing half the black population for protesting

yosemitesam1

bogman_bass wrote: »

Do they though. Corn and soya growers needed a huge bailout to cover up the cracks of the trade war with China .
Harley Davidson has had to cut back production because they rely on trade with Europe.

Look at Australian Chinese relationships. China have stopped buying multiple commodities from Australia over the last year or two. They don't have anyone like trump to blame this on, maybe it's really the Chinese that are the issue except our media decided from day one to only present a very biased view of trump.

jaymla627

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Look at Australian Chinese relationships. China have stopped buying multiple commodities from Australia over the last year or two. They don't have anyone like trump to blame this on, maybe it's really the Chinese that are the issue except our media decided from day one to only present a very biased view of trump.

Operation warp speed was brought in by Trump to fast track the covid vaccine development which pzfier where involved in , at the time Democrats lost their sh**t saying the process cant be rushed and it's far to dangerous and alot of democratic governors said they wouldn't permit the vaccine to be used in their states , the same pricks are now lauding the pzfier announcement and using it as massive biden propaganda, the media is screwed to put it mildly and 99% of the population are swallowing it hook line and centre....
I'm not a trump supporter but the attack on free speech/ the extreme levels of censorship in modern day media and the narrative been controlled by the likes of Twitter and youtube is extremely worrying

minerleague

jaymla627 wrote: »

Once the BLM leaders and Antifa realise the status quo will be carried on in a Biden administration, civil unrest will ramp up, the mask will drop then when camilla starts jailing half the black population for protesting

Wonder will Biden take down the wall with Mexico? ( aw shure tis up now we leave it alone :P )

jaymla627

minerleague wrote: »

Wonder will Biden take down the wall with Mexico? ( aw shure tis up now we leave it alone :P )

Twitter removed a news story in the run up to the election where local law enforcement on the border where praising a newly built section of it that had helped lower drug smuggling rates and human trafficking, sure it couldn't become common knowledge that Trumps wall actually worked

Dinzee Conlee

jaymla627 wrote: »

Operation warp speed was brought in by Trump to fast track the covid vaccine development which pzfier where involved in , at the time Democrats lost their sh**t saying the process cant be rushed and it's far to dangerous and alot of democratic governors said they wouldn't permit the vaccine to be used in their states , the same pricks are now lauding the pzfier announcement and using it as massive biden propaganda, the media is screwed to put it mildly and 99% of the population are swallowing it hook line and centre....
I'm not a trump supporter but the attack on free speech/ the extreme levels of censorship in modern day media and the narrative been controlled by the likes of Twitter and youtube is extremely worrying

Where can you go now for unbiased reporting / news?

yosemitesam1

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Where can you go now for unbiased reporting / news?

It's worth knowing that the vast majority of international news comes from about 3 or 4 companies. You see a reporter on the news or read an article in the paper and very often much of their report is just a rehash of whatever information a separate company has collected and sent out.
Investigative journalism and critical thinking aren't really important anymore to media companies. Instead focus on clickbait/sensationalism and churn stories out. Who cares if they are an accurate representation of what is going on if they make money...

Injuryprone

jaymla627 wrote: »

Operation warp speed was brought in by Trump to fast track the covid vaccine development which pzfier where involved in , at the time Democrats lost their sh**t saying the process cant be rushed and it's far to dangerous and alot of democratic governors said they wouldn't permit the vaccine to be used in their states , the same pricks are now lauding the pzfier announcement and using it as massive biden propaganda, the media is screwed to put it mildly and 99% of the population are swallowing it hook line and centre....
I'm not a trump supporter but the attack on free speech/ the extreme levels of censorship in modern day media and the narrative been controlled by the likes of Twitter and youtube is extremely worrying

It's been widely reported first hand from the CEO of Pfizer that the development of this vaccine had absolutely no support from operation warp speed. Maybe you might want to check where you get your information!

jaymla627

Injuryprone wrote: »

It's been widely reported first hand from the CEO of Pfizer that the development of this vaccine had absolutely no support from operation warp speed. Maybe you might want to check where you get your information!

They have a 1.95 billion dollar cheque to pick up from the program once they deliver 100 million doses of the vaccine they didn't get funding from operation warpspeed but have a guaranteed purchase order from the program, but I'd fully expect to see alot of twitter headlines how super joe secured 100 million doses of the vaccine in the coming months haha

Timmaay

ganmo wrote: »

if he does start up his own tv station all the rest will stop talking about him! I couldn't think of anything better

I read a great suggestion the other day that they basically let Trump stay in the Whitehouse, let him pretend hes still the president and do a real life The Truman show on him lol.

ganmo

Timmaay wrote: »

I read a great suggestion the other day that they basically let Trump stay in the Whitehouse, let him pretend hes still the president and do a real life The Truman show on him lol.

They did that with the king of spain

ganmo

jaymla627 wrote: »

Twitter removed a news story in the run up to the election where local law enforcement on the border where praising a newly built section of it that had helped lower drug smuggling rates and human trafficking, sure it couldn't become common knowledge that Trumps wall actually worked

Why does this matter to you in Ireland?

Spanish Eyes

Biden for sure. He is a candidate who is very good for the interim I think.

Dems know his term is an interregnum until Kamela or someone else is put forward.

ABTRUMP now, but he is gone in most right thinking people's minds now and is just posturing. I doubt the Reps want anything to do with him or his toxic family again. Good.

Spanish Eyes

ganmo wrote: »

Why does this matter to you in Ireland?

Why are you posting here so

ganmo

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Why are you posting here so

Cause I can't stand Donald as a person.
I couldn't care if america is better or worse off because of him.

ganmo

ganmo wrote: »

Cause I can't stand Donald as a person.
I couldn't care if america is better or worse off because of him.

Poor oul Donny, he's the biggliest, bestest victim in all this you know, everybody's saying it.

awaywithyou

ganmo wrote: »

Why does this matter to you in Ireland?

im no Trump supporter but we have only got one side of the story from the media with Trump... have relations in America that would vote for no one only Trump... He actually did something as president you know... most politicans do nothing once they get into power... they just want to b in power and then please everyone for a few years so they'll get re elected... and when elected continue on doing nothing.. Trump was a break from that... he was refreshing... 70million americans voted for him this time around.. so i doubt if he was useless as a president.. the announcement by Pfizer after the election was no doubt planned in the hope that Biden would have won... and let him take the credit...

Trump was doomed from day 1 thanks to the media's perception of him.. but he is making a show of himself now by his actions now he has been beaten...

patsy_mccabe

Has anyone noticed that Pfizer shares never went up after the announcement?

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2020/nov/11/pfizer-chief-sold-56m-dollars-of-shares-on-day-covid-vaccine-was-announced

yosemitesam1

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Has anyone noticed that Pfizer shares never went up after the announcement?

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2020/nov/11/pfizer-chief-sold-56m-dollars-of-shares-on-day-covid-vaccine-was-announced

Could have been plenty of others cashing in on the rise to cause it to fall back

_Brian

awaywithyou wrote: »

im no Trump supporter but we have only got one side of the story from the media with Trump... have relations in America that would vote for no one only Trump... He actually did something as president you know... most politicans do nothing once they get into power... they just want to b in power and then please everyone for a few years so they'll get re elected... and when elected continue on doing nothing.. Trump was a break from that... he was refreshing... 70million americans voted for him this time around.. so i doubt if he was useless as a president.. the announcement by Pfizer after the election was no doubt planned in the hope that Biden would have won... and let him take the credit...

Trump was doomed from day 1 thanks to the media's perception of him.. but he is making a show of himself now by his actions now he has been beaten...

Trump came out swinging against the media from day one. He drove a massive wedge between the administration and 99.9% of the media. So after that there is no way he was going to get a fair crack of the whip.

Add to that his roots and allegiance to extremist groups like KKK and proud boys.

For a guy that boasts about being a super business man he has no idea how to work a situation. His only play is brute force. Sack anyone who doesn’t agree with him. He couldn’t sack the media so rather than working along with them like previous presidents he just beat down on them every chance.

Injuryprone

jaymla627 wrote: »

They have a 1.95 billion dollar cheque to pick up from the program once they deliver 100 million doses of the vaccine they didn't get funding from operation warpspeed but have a guaranteed purchase order from the program

Yes, and they have the option to buy 500m more. But that's a whole lot different from what you posted below. Thanks for correcting yourself.

jaymla627 wrote: »

Operation warp speed was brought in by Trump to fast track the covid vaccine development which pzfier where involved in

jaymla627 wrote: »

but I'd fully expect to see alot of twitter headlines how super joe secured 100 million doses of the vaccine in the coming months haha

Maybe you're only joking here I don't know, but I don't believe you'll ever find such a headline. If you do, be sure to post it.

Injuryprone

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Has anyone noticed that Pfizer shares never went up after the announcement?

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2020/nov/11/pfizer-chief-sold-56m-dollars-of-shares-on-day-covid-vaccine-was-announced

I was told in about mid September that the Pfizer vaccine was looking very promising. And that was about 3rd hand information. So I'd say the announcement wasn't a surprise to many people.

jaymla627

Injuryprone wrote: »

Yes, and they have the option to buy 500m more. But that's a whole lot different from what you posted below. Thanks for correcting yourself.





Maybe you're only joking here I don't know, but I don't believe you'll ever find such a headline. If you do, be sure to post it.

They are involved in the program, as they where given the above contract from the Trump administration through operation warpspeed, its splitting hairs to argue that because they received no funding directly they then had "no involvement" you can be full sure having a 2 billion dollar payday for developing a covid 19 vaccine ment internal funding from pzfier our other outside sources was easily secured on the back of the above

bogman_bass

jaymla627 wrote: »

They are involved in the program, as they where given the above contract from the Trump administration through operation warpspeed, its splitting hairs to argue that because they received no funding directly they then had "no involvement" you can be full sure having a 2 billion dollar payday for developing a covid 19 vaccine ment internal funding from pzfier our other outside sources was easily secured on the back of the above

Saying they were part of a program because they have eager costumers during a pandemic is a bit of a leap isn’t it?

ganmo

jaymla627 wrote: »

They are involved in the program, as they where given the above contract from the Trump administration through operation warpspeed, its splitting hairs to argue that because they received no funding directly they then had "no involvement" you can be full sure having a 2 billion dollar payday for developing a covid 19 vaccine ment internal funding from pzfier our other outside sources was easily secured on the back of the above

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-ap-fact-check-donald-trump-business-virus-outbreak-108077c4b716db604ee49b42c6d64af0?utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter

That's a fact check article. I had (and still dont) no idea about warpseed but I'd say nearly every vaccine for c19 has supply contracts signed with the major governments.

JohnnyKq

ganmo wrote: »

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-ap-fact-check-donald-trump-business-virus-outbreak-108077c4b716db604ee49b42c6d64af0?utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter

That's a fact check article. I had (and still dont) no idea about warpseed but I'd say nearly every vaccine for c19 has supply contracts signed with the major governments.

Read the Irish independent Article on Covid Vaccine.
Cost will be €16 per vaccine (€32 for your 2 jabs).
25m vials by year end (treat 12m people or so)
The scale will be low for 2021 and will not be likely to treat the world's poorest countries.
Pfizer Vaccine for Developed countries and Ivomec for the rest I'm afraid

jaymla627

ganmo wrote: »

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-ap-fact-check-donald-trump-business-virus-outbreak-108077c4b716db604ee49b42c6d64af0?utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter

That's a fact check article. I had (and still dont) no idea about warpseed but I'd say nearly every vaccine for c19 has supply contracts signed with the major governments.

Looks like the Medina vaccine is streets ahead of the pzfier one, guess what program funded it...

_Brian

jaymla627 wrote: »

Looks like the Medina vaccine is streets ahead of the pzfier one, guess what program funded it...

Let’s hope so.

They are in a serious need for it the way things have been let go.