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The 2020 U.S. Election Irregularities.

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    #1682
    silliussoddius
    Registered Users Posts: 4,055 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    In any national election there are usually a few isolated incidents where some individuals try to vote twice, or they try to use a dead relative's name or whatever.

    Trump and co were claiming there was systemic voter fraud to get Biden in.

    But it obviously didn't effect the legitimacy of the Republicans who were elected.


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    #1683
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    so, do you mean that only small scale fraud was committed?
    ..and that without accounting for a full year of manipulated information going through the usual platforms, the shadow banning and suppressing of information for fear of influencing the outcome of the election. Namely the Hunter Biden money laundry scandal that was suppressed until after the election

    Yes. There was one case of a deceased person allegedly voting if I recall. I’d call that small scale.


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    #1684
    Kumejima
    Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭Kumejima


    "THe cAnDiDaTe WiTh tHe MoSt VoTeS aT ThE eND iS tHe LaWfUL WiNNer" - The Old Mugabe Principle. Or is it the Kim Jong Un principle?

    Sorry if water is wet and gravity makes things fall down instead of up. The video shows how its basically statistically pretty much impossible for Biden to have gotten some of the results he did without some outside interference. Like these are statistics, you know, mathematical principles? They don't change in favour of your made up story, no matter how many people you convince to propagate it.

    Aren't you all rational atheists? Like believers in science? Well, basic laws of mathematics and statistics say Biden's voting results couldn't have happened naturally. Oh what's that? Oh you're going to just ignore that and insult the people who point it out? Of course you are.

    All the while accusing others of being dupes who are being manipulated, you guys are hilarious.


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    #1685
    PintOfView
    Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    I do agree with this. Much like the Russian gate scandal, eventually the details around the election, the small scale and the big scale frauds will emerge

    What do you make of the channel that broadcast it displaying the disclaimer, including the words

    "Further, the statements and claims expressed in this program are presented at this time as opinions only and are not intended to be taken or interpreted by the viewer as established facts"

    If they had such little confident in the substance of the program, or at least being able to justify it if they got sued, why do you have confidence it?

    I can't tell if it's true either way, but I do think that it would be easy to make all that up, including the maps, and the IP address lists, etc.
    Why haven't they put this 'proof' up somewhere where people can scrutinise it (as opposed to displaying it on a low resolution video)?


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    #1686
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,966 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Kumejima wrote: »
    "THe cAnDiDaTe WiTh tHe MoSt VoTeS aT ThE eND iS tHe LaWfUL WiNNer" - The Old Mugabe Principle. Or is it the Kim Jong Un principle?

    Sorry if water is wet and gravity makes things fall down instead of up. The video shows how its basically statistically pretty much impossible for Biden to have gotten some of the results he did without some outside interference. Like these are statistics, you know, mathematical principles? They don't change in favour of your made up story, no matter how many people you convince to propagate it.

    Aren't you all rational atheists? Like believers in science? Well, basic laws of mathematics and statistics say Biden's voting results couldn't have happened naturally. Oh what's that? Oh you're going to just ignore that and insult the people who point it out? Of course you are.

    All the while accusing others of being dupes who are being manipulated, you guys are hilarious.

    Was there systemic fraud in the election, if so, what was it?


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    #1687
    PintOfView
    Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    Kumejima wrote: »
    "THe cAnDiDaTe WiTh tHe MoSt VoTeS aT ThE eND iS tHe LaWfUL WiNNer" - The Old Mugabe Principle. Or is it the Kim Jong Un principle?

    Sorry if water is wet and gravity makes things fall down instead of up. The video shows how its basically statistically pretty much impossible for Biden to have gotten some of the results he did without some outside interference. Like these are statistics, you know, mathematical principles? They don't change in favour of your made up story, no matter how many people you convince to propagate it.

    Aren't you all rational atheists? Like believers in science? Well, basic laws of mathematics and statistics say Biden's voting results couldn't have happened naturally. Oh what's that? Oh you're going to just ignore that and insult the people who point it out? Of course you are.

    All the while accusing others of being dupes who are being manipulated, you guys are hilarious.

    If I get time I'll watch that bit (statistics, etc) and see what it's about.

    However are you telling me the following is the situation:
    - The US president had a vested interest in making sure there was no fraud, so he would be re-elected
    (he said many times in advance of the election the only way he could lose is if there was fraud, so we'd expect him to put in place extra safeguards, or was he just saying that because he thought he might lose?)
    - I think the head of election security was someone that he appointed! His team should have been experts in all aspects of security, including the IT side - surely they would make it as secure as online banking!! can Chinese hackers come in to our banks any time they want and flip money from one account to another?
    - The congress had a majority of republican senators, who again you would expect to be watching for any foul play, and they had the power to take any steps needed to secure the election.
    - The president had appointed his people to the FBI, and to the CIA, and the NSC. Can we assume those organisations are not blind, or incompetent? And they had two months to uncover any systematic corruption of the election!

    Yet in the face of all this, and in the faces of all the republicans, including republican governors, in all the swing states, it was still possible for the Democrats to perform massive fraud, enough to swing the election? And to do it in such a way that nobody, republican, or anyone else, has been able to explain how the election fraud was actually carried off!

    Were you following the polls for the past couple of years? The president's satisfaction ratings were consistently below 50%, and near to 40% most of the time. And then you say that he won by a landslide on the day?

    What about Georgia, didn't they count the votes multiple times, and got roughly the same answer each time? And the governor there was a republican!

    Despite this you are convinced that the election was fraudulent?
    Do you think there's any possibility you're wrong?

    I have no vested interest either way, but you have a bit to go to convince me that the Democrats pulled off a massive fraud, and that the republicans are blind and and incompetent enough to let it happen under their noses!!


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    #1688
    [Deleted User]
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    Kumejima wrote: »
    "THe cAnDiDaTe WiTh tHe MoSt VoTeS aT ThE eND iS tHe LaWfUL WiNNer" - The Old Mugabe Principle. Or is it the Kim Jong Un principle?

    Sorry if water is wet and gravity makes things fall down instead of up. The video shows how its basically statistically pretty much impossible for Biden to have gotten some of the results he did without some outside interference. Like these are statistics, you know, mathematical principles? They don't change in favour of your made up story, no matter how many people you convince to propagate it.

    Aren't you all rational atheists? Like believers in science? Well, basic laws of mathematics and statistics say Biden's voting results couldn't have happened naturally. Oh what's that? Oh you're going to just ignore that and insult the people who point it out? Of course you are.

    All the while accusing others of being dupes who are being manipulated, you guys are hilarious.

    Youtube videos..... Ya, gonna need more credible proof than that.


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    #1689
    PintOfView
    Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    Kumejima wrote: »
    "THe cAnDiDaTe WiTh tHe MoSt VoTeS aT ThE eND iS tHe LaWfUL WiNNer" - The Old Mugabe Principle. Or is it the Kim Jong Un principle?

    Sorry if water is wet and gravity makes things fall down instead of up. The video shows how its basically statistically pretty much impossible for Biden to have gotten some of the results he did without some outside interference. Like these are statistics, you know, mathematical principles? They don't change in favour of your made up story, no matter how many people you convince to propagate it....

    See the following for an alternative interpretation of the statistics in that video
    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/false-claim-about-bidens-win-probability/

    Not saying who's right and who's wrong, but Lindel is Trump's guy, so not exactly impartial, and factcheck.org has a bit more of a track record of exposing misinformation (they started in 2003)!!


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    #1690
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,544 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    so, do you mean that only small scale fraud was committed?
    ..and that without accounting for a full year of manipulated information going through the usual platforms, the shadow banning and suppressing of information for fear of influencing the outcome of the election. Namely the Hunter Biden money laundry scandal that was suppressed until after the election

    Yup, by Trump supporters believe it or not. Remember all the hullabaloo about "dead people voting"? Well a Trump supporter got caught voting using his dead mothers ballot....ironic huh?


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    #1691
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    The Time has officially confirmed that the election was rigged

    https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/


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    #1692
    [Deleted User]
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    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    The Time has officially confirmed that the election was rigged

    https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

    No they haven't...


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    #1693
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No they haven't...


    you need to read

    "There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes, one that both curtailed the protests and coordinated the resistance from CEOs. Both surprises were the result of an informal alliance between left-wing activists and business titans. The pact was formalized in a terse, little-noticed joint statement of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and AFL-CIO published on Election Day"


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    #1694
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,544 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    The Time has officially confirmed that the election was rigged

    https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

    Sorry to disappoint you kiddo but that article doesn't say what you think it says, another swing and a miss :pac:


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    #1695
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Sorry to disappoint you kiddo but that article doesn't say what you think it says, another swing and a miss :pac:


    read the article, it's out there

    This is the inside story of the conspiracy to save the 2020 election, based on access to the group’s inner workings, never-before-seen documents and interviews with dozens of those involved from across the political spectrum. It is the story of an unprecedented, creative and determined campaign whose success also reveals how close the nation came to disaster. “Every attempt to interfere with the proper outcome of the election was defeated,” says Ian Bassin, co-founder of Protect Democracy, a nonpartisan rule-of-law advocacy group. “But it’s massively important for the country to understand that it didn’t happen accidentally. The system didn’t work magically. Democracy is not self-executing.”


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    #1696
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    A common trend amongst conspiracy theorists is a low standard of reading and comprehension. Something schools used to teach.


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    #1697
    [Deleted User]
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    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    read the article, it's out there

    Cognitive dissonance will prevent them from understanding it..


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    #1698
    [Deleted User]
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    That article is an account of literally a conspiracy..


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    #1699
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    A common trend amongst conspiracy theorists is a low standard of reading and comprehension. Something schools used to teach.


    Schools also teach how to read. That's all you need to do. The article leaves no space for personal interpretation.


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    #1700
    [Deleted User]
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    That article is an account of literally a conspiracy..

    What laws were broken, what rigging occurred? What ballots were interfered with etc? Efforts to undermine an election were blocked and that's about it. Poor mites.


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    #1701
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What laws were broken, what rigging occurred? What ballots were interfered with etc? Efforts to undermine an election were blocked and that's about it. Poor mites.


    another one who hasn't read the artticle


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    #1702
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,425 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    read the article, it's out there

    This is the inside story of the conspiracy to save the 2020 election, based on access to the group’s inner workings, never-before-seen documents and interviews with dozens of those involved from across the political spectrum. It is the story of an unprecedented, creative and determined campaign whose success also reveals how close the nation came to disaster. “Every attempt to interfere with the proper outcome of the election was defeated,” says Ian Bassin, co-founder of Protect Democracy, a nonpartisan rule-of-law advocacy group. “But it’s massively important for the country to understand that it didn’t happen accidentally. The system didn’t work magically. Democracy is not self-executing.”
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Cognitive dissonance will prevent them from understanding it..

    so you read that quote from the article and conclude that the election is rigged and you think that it is others that have a problem with cognitive dissonance?


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    #1703
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    so you read that quote from the article and conclude that the election is rigged and you think that it is others that have a problem with cognitive dissonance?


    i read the article, you havent


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    #1704
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,425 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    read the article, it's out there

    This is the inside story of the conspiracy to save the 2020 election, based on access to the group’s inner workings, never-before-seen documents and interviews with dozens of those involved from across the political spectrum. It is the story of an unprecedented, creative and determined campaign whose success also reveals how close the nation came to disaster. “Every attempt to interfere with the proper outcome of the election was defeated,” says Ian Bassin, co-founder of Protect Democracy, a nonpartisan rule-of-law advocacy group. “But it’s massively important for the country to understand that it didn’t happen accidentally. The system didn’t work magically. Democracy is not self-executing.”
    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    another one who hasn't read the artticle

    what part of that quote leads you to believe that the election was rigged?


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    #1705
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    what part of that quote leads you to believe that the election was rigged?


    the entire article mate, you need to read the article


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    #1706
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Schools also teach how to read. That's all you need to do. The article leaves no space for personal interpretation.

    The post you quoted was only a couple of lines and you couldn’t even read or comprehend it!


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    #1707
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    The post you quoted was only a couple of lines and you couldn’t even read or comprehend it!


    another one who comments on quotes and refuses to read the entire article.
    it's been talked about everywhere, you might want to take a look


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    #1708
    Trigger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,541 ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    I read the article and it says nothing of the sort, in fact it clearly states that the actors involved came together to prevent the election from being rigged.

    In fact, even the bolded part of your own posts says, start any attempt to rig the election from any side was defeated and the election was clean and fair


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    #1709
    Smee_Again
    Registered Users Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    Imagine reading, quoting, linking to an article, then arguing that it says the opposite of what it actually says while accusing others of not reading it.

    There’s no getting through to someone displaying that level of wilful ignorance.


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    #1710
    PintOfView
    Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    another one who comments on quotes and refuses to read the entire article.
    it's been talked about everywhere, you might want to take a look

    Sorry but you need to take a bit of time to read that properly, and see what it says!! I though you were trolling earlier but it seems you genuinely have got the wrong end of the stick. Please just go and read it, or have someone you trust read it and ask them what it says!!


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    #1711
    silliussoddius
    Registered Users Posts: 4,055 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Trigger wrote: »
    I read the article and it says nothing of the sort, in fact it clearly states that the actors involved came together to prevent the election from being rigged.

    In fact, even the bolded part of your own posts says, start any attempt to rig the election from any side was defeated and the election was clean and fair

    You can't reason someone out of something they haven't been reasoned into.
    Donald Jones promised proof of the election fraud in 2016, still waiting on that.


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