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Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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    #662
    Fighting Tao
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Buses should not be driving round populated areas as they just cause too many delays. They should all be rerouted onto roads away from densely populated areas

    I was saying in in the context of Sandymount residents that will barely walk to their cars, yet alone a bus. They need to be tempted to busses on their doorstep before implementation of the likes of bus connects where they may have to walk a few minutes to get to a bus stop. :pac:


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    #663
    magicbastarder
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    Not sure if serious - you want traffic evaporation, for people to start using alternative means of transport, but move their bus stops further away?


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    #664
    duskyjoe
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    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    This is more scaremongering, and Mannix was saying the same thing about people having to turn right onto strand road when going to the city centre. How many of the journeys into the city centre require cars? Public transport is available. People will change habits. The vast majority of people have more sense than to drive to the city centre.
    I am not scaremongering- just facts. People commute and to jobs that are not in the city so cars for some are a necessity to get to work. We have dire public infrastructure to replace cars for commuters travelling north side or afar imo.


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    #665
    duskyjoe
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    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    I was saying in in the context of Sandymount residents that will barely walk to their cars, yet alone a bus. They need to be tempted to busses on their doorstep before implementation of the likes of bus connects where they may have to walk a few minutes to get to a bus stop. :pac:

    What about the elderly ? This is not all about the young and those that are lazy to walk to a bus - there are others out there unlike us that can’t walk the the km to a bus. You need to keep all age groups in mind or should we just abandon these people for the greater good of cycling and what it promotes ?


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    #666
    buffalo
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    duskyjoe wrote: »
    I am not scaremongering- just facts. People commute and to jobs that are not in the city so cars for some are a necessity to get to work. We have dire public infrastructure to replace cars for commuters travelling north side or afar imo.

    It's true, there's no way to get from somewhere like Sandymount to the northside using public transport.


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    #667
    a_squirrelman
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    duskyjoe wrote: »
    What about the elderly ? This is not all about the young and those that are lazy to walk to a bus - there are others out there unlike us that can’t walk the the km to a bus. You need to keep all age groups in mind or should we just abandon these people for the greater good of cycling and what it promotes ?


    So bus stops outside every house?


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    breezy1985
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    Not sure if serious - you want traffic evaporation, for people to start using alternative means of transport, but move their bus stops further away?

    I was definitely being sarcastic


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    #669
    magicbastarder
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    buffalo wrote: »
    It's true, there's no way to get from somewhere like Sandymount to the northside using public transport.
    it's very handy in normal times, we can get the 1 bus from about a 5 or ten minute walk from our house, to almost the doorstep of the vintage inn (very near irishtown garda station). they do excellent grub on a friday and saturday - again, in normal times, i hope they weather this storm.


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    #670
    breezy1985
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    a_squirrelman wrote: »
    So bus stops outside every house?

    I lived on a street like that in London. Don't know why this one particular street was a request stop street but I assume it was just too small to fit a stop or no one would give up their parking or something


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    #671
    BabysCoffee
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    it's very handy in normal times, we can get the 1 bus from about a 5 or ten minute walk from our house, to almost the doorstep of the vintage inn (very near irishtown garda station). they do excellent grub on a friday and saturday - again, in normal times, i hope they weather this storm.

    Oh that sounds like a nice evening out!

    And if you had a fold up bike that you can take on the bus, you could cut that walk to a 1 or 2 min cycle


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    #672
    duskyjoe
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    a_squirrelman wrote: »
    So bus stops outside every house?

    There’s no talking to you guys - it’s either all or nothing, therein lies the divide and it’s turning into a vicious divide.


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    #673
    buffalo
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    duskyjoe wrote: »
    There’s no talking to you guys - it’s either all or nothing, therein lies the divide and it’s turning into a vicious divide.

    I think you'll find this entire thread is about a six month trial of one lane of one road, which is hardly all? People can drive cars in the other lane, and on aaaaall the other roads in the city. So on that basis, we can assume you support the trial? :)


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    #674
    magicbastarder
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    duskyjoe wrote: »
    it’s turning into a vicious divide.
    ah, could you not have said 'vicious cycle'? cos i can't use what you did say in a bad pun.


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    #675
    silverharp
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    its difficult to not see it be a success during the next few months as driving around is so easy at the moment. It will be easier to take a view after the summer, personally Ill be happy so long at there are not lines of traffic back into the village as that would be new.
    There is one odd downside of this, The Merrion centre is the main Supermarket for people in Sandymount, there will now be no direct way to get home, you essentially need to drive up to the carriageway and come back by Donnybrook church do a 2k trip would become a 4 or 5k one.

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    #676
    duskyjoe
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    silverharp wrote: »
    iThe Merrion centre is the main Supermarket for people in Sandymount, there will now be no direct way to get home, you essentially need to drive up to the carriageway and come back by Donnybrook church do a 2k trip would become a 4 or 5k one.
    there’s a tesco in Sandymount , albeit no parking but just buy a cargo bike and your sorted ! I wouldn’t hold up the merrion centre as a doyen of shopping, a kip if you ask me


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    #677
    silverharp
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    duskyjoe wrote: »
    there’s a tesco in Sandymount , albeit no parking but just buy a cargo bike and your sorted ! I wouldn’t hold up the merrion centre as a doyen of shopping, a kip if you ask me

    its only a metro, its ok for small walk in shopping but one would still need to go to a bigger supermarket once a week

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #678
    magicbastarder
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    this popped up in my twitter feed this morning (posted by david o'doherty, a keen cyclist so i can only speculate as to his reasoning for doing so:

    Every NIMBY’s Speech At a Public Hearing
    Friends, neighbors, it’s good to see all of you. I know you, you know me, and just seeing all of your faces at this city council meeting reminds me why I love living in this town. Because I feel comforted by stasis and regularity, both fed by ignorance, and which combine to perpetuate injustice.
    https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/every-nimbys-speech-at-a-public-hearing


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    #679
    loyatemu
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    silverharp wrote: »
    its only a metro, its ok for small walk in shopping but one would still need to go to a bigger supermarket once a week

    why couldn't you come back via Serpentine Ave, or Sydney Parade & Park Ave?


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    #680
    tomasrojo
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    Has anyone brought up the difficulty of carrying a double bass on a bicycle yet?


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    #681
    PaulieC
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Yep, no doubt about that, the taxi drivers and white van men of Ringsend etc are hating this news, I've seen it on Facebook. Not just the poshos of Sandymount.

    Good to see that it's not just inverse snobbery...plenty of inverse inverse snobbery too


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    #682
    Seaswimmer
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    why couldn't you come back via Serpentine Ave, or Sydney Parade & Park Ave?


    I presume because there is no right turn on Merrion Road towards Sydney Parade?


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    #683
    PaulieC
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    Somewhat related, if not in location, but there is a campaign to stop the wooden bridge closing to motor traffic. One of the points they are using is that the light sequence for motorists coming off/onto the bridge are too short and are asking for the cycle lane green light phases to be shorter.


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    #684
    PaulieC
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    Seaswimmer wrote: »
    I presume because there is no right turn on Merrion Road towards Sydney Parade?

    There is a right turn down serpentine, which brings you to Claremont road and into the village. The original complaint was that Sandymounters who go Merrion would have to use the N11 to get home.


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    #685
    duskyjoe
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    why couldn't you come back via Serpentine Ave, or Sydney Parade & Park Ave?

    No turn right at Sydney Parade from merrion rd .


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    #686
    PaulieC
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    this popped up in my twitter feed this morning (posted by david o'doherty, a keen cyclist so i can only speculate as to his reasoning for doing so:

    Every NIMBY’s Speech At a Public Hearing

    https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/every-nimbys-speech-at-a-public-hearing

    NANBYs are the new NIMBYs. I'm Not A Nimby But


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    #687
    magicbastarder
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Has anyone brought up the difficulty of carrying a double bass on a bicycle yet?
    a friend has become much more interested in cycling recently (though i think more as a concept than an actual activity so far). she's a cellist and is about 5'1" and has managed so far without a car. though a taxi driver nearly once knocked her out with her own cello while trying to get it into the boot.


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    #688
    Fighting Tao
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    Not sure if serious - you want traffic evaporation, for people to start using alternative means of transport, but move their bus stops further away?

    It’d have to study bus connects but it is possible that they will move to Merrion Road with a circular route linking them. I’m saying that not having studied the bus connects plan for the area though. It will probably end up in court too!


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    #689
    silverharp
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    why couldn't you come back via Serpentine Ave, or Sydney Parade & Park Ave?

    Sydney Parade has always been a no right turn , merrion gates was the only way of getting back from Tesco, Serpentine I guess, but it means going from one end of Sandymount to the far end and doubling back and using Claremont road (for me) which isnt a good road anyway and seems to be one of the roads mentioned as a new rat run

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #690
    Thelonious Monk
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    PaulieC wrote: »
    Somewhat related, if not in location, but there is a campaign to stop the wooden bridge closing to motor traffic. One of the points they are using is that the light sequence for motorists coming off/onto the bridge are too short and are asking for the cycle lane green light phases to be shorter.

    Who is campaigning for that? Any time the weather is nice far too many cars go there, the only thing they can do is restrict them at this stage, as it's just going to get worse and worse as the years go on.


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    #691
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    duskyjoe wrote: »
    What about the elderly ? This is not all about the young and those that are lazy to walk to a bus - there are others out there unlike us that can’t walk the the km to a bus. You need to keep all age groups in mind or should we just abandon these people for the greater good of cycling and what it promotes ?

    No. It is about a few that are determined to drive everywhere up to and including 100m to the local shop. You do realise that many elderly are very capable of cycling too. Many do.


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