Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 9:44pm

First Up wrote: »

The Strand Rd section is part of a cycle route from Sutton to Sandycove. Looking at the map, does that strike you as a route for many people going to work?

Have we moved the goals yet again???

First Up · 01-03-2021 9:46pm

Seth Brundle wrote:

Are people only allowed to cycle the entire length or not at all?

I asked which parts of that route will facilitate commuters.

Seth Brundle · 01-03-2021 9:49pm

First Up wrote: »

I asked which parts of that route will facilitate commuters.

It's a pretty daft question!

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 9:49pm

First Up wrote: »

I asked which parts of that route will facilitate commuters.

This is getting weirder. Where do you think commuters go? Do you think they all work in the same building in the city centre? Can they not work in 10,000’s of different buildings all around the city and only use the bits of cycling infrastructure when required?

buffalo · 01-03-2021 9:50pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

It's a pretty daft question!

Well, we did build the M50 for all the airport workers who live in Shankill, right?

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 9:54pm

buffalo wrote: »

Well, we did build the M50 for all the airport workers who live in Shankill, right?

Airport workers are no longer allowed to use it since it was extended to Dublin port. Only dockers living in Shankill are now permitted to travel on it.

MangleBadger · 01-03-2021 9:57pm

I used to commute from Dun Laoghaire into town. I think if the cycle way was in place I’d rather cycle the extra couple of K along the strand than along Merrion Road as it would be a far more enjoyable spin.

Dowee · 01-03-2021 10:05pm

MangleBadger wrote: »

I used to commute from Dun Laoghaire into town. I think if the cycle way was in place I’d rather cycle the extra couple of K along the strand than along Merrion Road as it would be a far more enjoyable spin.

If you're going to enjoy it that makes it a leisure spin, not a commute. There are rules!! :mad:

First Up · 01-03-2021 10:06pm

Fighting Tao wrote:

This is getting weirder. Where do you think commuters go? Do you think they all work in the same building in the city centre? Can they not work in 10,000â€™s of different buildings all around the city and only use the bits of cycling infrastructure when required?

OK, I'll try again.

Which parts of the Sutton to Sandycove cycling route will result in enough commuters leaving their cars at home to justify diverting motorised traffic off a widely used route into a quiet village with narrow streets?

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 10:09pm

First Up wrote: »

OK, I'll try again.

Which parts of the Sutton to Sandycove cycling route will result in enough commuters leaving their cars at home to justify diverting motorised traffic off a widely used route into a quiet village with narrow streets?

Why are you so focused on commuters? People shopping aren’t commuters. Neither are those cycling to school etc.

All high quality cycling infrastructure encourages people to cycle rather than drive.

First Up · 01-03-2021 10:29pm

Fighting Tao wrote:

Why are you so focused on commuters? People shopping arenâ€™t commuters. Neither are those cycling to school etc.

True, although not many carry their shopping home on bicycles and I'm not sure many parents will be happy for their children to cycle to school on the roads not on the cycle way.

Fighting Tao wrote:

All high quality cycling infrastructure encourages people to cycle rather than drive.

Which is great, if it takes them where they need to go. Anywhere is good for a spin on a Sunday afternoon but Monday morning is a bit trickier.

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 10:35pm

First Up wrote: »

True, although not many carry their shopping home on bicycles and I'm not sure many parents will be happy for their children to cycle to school on the roads not on the cycle way.

Which is great, if it takes them where they need to go. Anywhere is good for a spin on a Sunday afternoon but Monday morning is a bit trickier.

You are right. Every road in the country (with 2 or more lanes) should have a vehicular traffic lane changed to a 2 way cycle track.

Although, your Monday morning point is a bit odd. Take a trip out to clontarf, or even to Dun laoghaire and you’ll see people of all ages, and reasons cycling on the cycle track.

Weepsie · 01-03-2021 10:38pm

First Up wrote: »

Which is great, if it takes them where they need to go. Anywhere is good for a spin on a Sunday afternoon but Monday morning is a bit trickier.

So because the strand road doesn't take a lot of drivers directly to where they are actually going, they shouldn't be on it. With you now. That's the logic you're applying.

First Up · 01-03-2021 10:46pm

Weepsie wrote:

So because the strand road doesn't take a lot of drivers directly to where they are actually going, they shouldn't be on it. With you now. That's the logic you're applying.

They are welcome to be on it and the closer it goes to their destination the more likely they will.

First Up · 01-03-2021 10:48pm

Fighting Tao wrote:

Although, your Monday morning point is a bit odd. Take a trip out to clontarf, or even to Dun laoghaire and youâ€™ll see people of all ages, and reasons cycling on the cycle track.

Good for them, but not sure how many are going to work or school or doing the shopping.

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 10:50pm

First Up wrote: »

Good for them, but not sure how many are going to work or school or doing the shopping.

The majority are. :rolleyes:

What does it matter anyway?

Weepsie · 01-03-2021 10:54pm

WEll Sutton to Sandycove would go past docks/port, IFSC, Grand Canal Dock, East Point Business Park, to name just a handful of areas with huge amounts of employees.

It take you 5 mins from Ballsbridge, a few mins from Trinity College, Grafton Street area, Henry Street Area and basically opens up the trip to the City in a different, safer way

It's a route that will allow you to take any number of options to get to these places in a safer and quicker manner.

The Royal Canal cycleway doesn't bring me to directly to work, it was one of a number of route options, and it's longer but I take it because I don't have to stop as often, I don't have to mix with nearly as much traffic, and because of that it's quicker and safer. It means I arrive at work from a different direction than I would have if I were driving or using public transport.

First Up · 01-03-2021 10:59pm

Fighting Tao wrote:

Does it matter anyway?

That depends on how it is used. If it leads to a lot more people cycling instead of driving to work, shops, schools etc then you could argue it is worth the disruption to commercial traffic and congestion on side roads.

If it is used mostly for Sunday spins you could argue differently.

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 11:02pm

First Up wrote: »

That depends on how it is used. If it leads to a lot more people cycling instead of driving to work, shops, schools etc then you could argue it is worth the disruption to commercial traffic and congestion on side roads.

If it is used mostly for Sunday spins you could argue differently.

No you can’t argue differently. It would be infantile to try to.

What has you so afraid of people enjoying themselves on a Sunday? Parents out with their kids sound horrendous on a Sunday....but only on Sunday.

First Up · 01-03-2021 11:12pm

Fighting Tao wrote:

No you canâ€™t argue differently. It would be infantile to try to.

What has you so afraid of people enjoying themselves on a Sunday? Parents out with their kids sound horrendous on a Sunday....but only on Sunday.

If the cycle path is little used except for weekend jaunts, you can be sure it will be argued differently.

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 11:15pm

First Up wrote: »

If the cycle path is little used except for weekend jaunts, you can be sure it will be argued differently.

I recommend going out to Clontarf, or to the new cycle track that DLRCC built any morning and you’ll see that it will be used a lot every day. However, I doubt you’ll investigate further because it would prove you wrong.

CramCycle · 01-03-2021 11:15pm

First Up wrote: »

If the cycle path is little used except for weekend jaunts, you can be sure it will be argued differently.

If only a trial went ahead to see if it would work or not

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 11:29pm

Anyone else worried they won’t sleep tonight for fear that the M50 will be under utilised? All motorists should be using it even if it doesn’t take them directly to their final destination.

First Up · 01-03-2021 11:29pm

Fighting Tao wrote:

I recommend going out to Clontarf, or to the new cycle track that DLRCC built any morning and youâ€™ll see that it will be used a lot every day. However, I doubt youâ€™ll investigate further because it would prove you wrong.

I'm interested in how cycle paths are used but the Clontarf path didn't need any road closures or diversions. The Sandymount path needs more evaluation than just counting the bicycles on it.

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 11:32pm

First Up wrote: »

I'm interested in how cycle paths are used but the Clontarf path didn't need any road closures or diversions. The Sandymount path needs more evaluation than just counting the bicycles on it.

What about the Blackrock to Sandycove one? You seem to have accidentally left it out. Roads became one way and lanes were repurposed just like the Strand road trial plans. No roads are being closed!

Is “more evaluation” where you are moving the goalposts to next?

First Up · 01-03-2021 11:40pm

Fighting Tao wrote:

What about the Blackrock to Sandycove one? You seem to have accidentally left it out. Roads became one way and lanes were repurposed just like the Strand road trial plans. No roads are being closed!

Repurposed. Nice word.

Blackrock to Sandycove doesn't affect access to the country's largest port and Liffey crossing.

Fighting Tao wrote:

Is â€œmore evaluationâ€ where you are moving the goalposts to next?

My goalposts are firmly in place thanks. It's just that it's taken you a while to spot them.

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 11:46pm

First Up wrote: »

Repurposed. Nice word.

Blackrock to Sandycove doesn't affect access to the country's largest port and Liffey crossing.

My goalposts are firmly in place thanks. It's just that it's taken you a while to spot them.

We have been through port access already. It is still very accessible, and the Liffey has many other crossings. The only vehicles being stopped from accsssibg the port from the south side of the city will be 5 axle trucks who will have to use the route they are supposed to be using already I.e. m50 and tunnel. All other vehicles can still access the port via Sean Moore road if their drivers wish. Nothing has changed there.

Btw, repurposed is factual. Closed is not. However, when trying to cast doubt about something, it is common that incorrect words suck as ‘closed’ in this case are portrayed as fact.