Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

CramCycle

First Up wrote: »

I described the impact of preventing motor vehicles accessing Sean Moore Rd via Strand Rd in an earlier post. Have a look at it - and the replies.
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First Up

Seth Brundle wrote:

I think it is more that as people who have firsthand seen how scary it can be to cycle on that road, the trial of something safe is too good to allow some NIMBY residents and politicians to block just so they can continute to have the unsustainable levels of traffic travel along the road.

About 250 meters between Irishtown Park and the promenade need to be reconfigured to get a safe and equitable solution for everyone. Other options for that deserve more thought, as do the consequences of what DCC want to do.

Weepsie

First Up wrote: »

About 250 meters between Irishtown Park and the promenade need to be reconfigured to get a safe and equitable solution for everyone. Other options for that deserve more thought, as do the consequences of what DCC want to do.

It's not about equity. If it was about equity then the trial goes ahead as pretty much every bit of infrastructure is car centric which is wrong in small urban areas and a city the size of Dublin.

Private vehicles are now and will be (rightly) last on the list of prioritized modes of transport.

Peregrine

First Up wrote: »

About 250 meters between Irishtown Park and the promenade need to be reconfigured to get a safe and equitable solution for everyone. Other options for that deserve more thought, as do the consequences of what DCC want to do.

For the second time, it's 750 metres. Not 250 metres. Have you even been to Sandymount? How could anyone who knows Strand Road think the park and the promenade are 250 metres away?

Peregrine wrote: »

Expert transport advice for the CEO of Dublin City from a guy who can't measure distance between two points properly.

Peregrine

First Up wrote: »

And probably collected more abuse than anyone else but who's counting?

Being called out on your false statements and traveling goalposts isn't abuse. You've made more posts on this thread than anyone except one other user but have made no effort to understand the proposal or even the area. Instead, you decided to double down every time you were challenged.

First Up wrote: »

It's clear from this forum that for the cyclistas, Strand Rd has attained symbolic status and become an ideological battleground. No room for logic in that and I should have known better than try to introduce it.

Best of luck to all, especially anyone depending on DCC for a sensible solution.

If by "cyclista" you mean just wanting to get from A to B without being run over then I'll wear it as a badge of honour.

You've introduced many things to thread but logic is not one of them.

Alias G

First Up wrote: »

About 250 meters between Irishtown Park and the promenade need to be reconfigured to get a safe and equitable solution for everyone. Other options for that deserve more thought, as do the consequences of what DCC want to do.

It is actually closer to 700 metres between the end of the promenade and Sean Moore park but is is not like you to be disingenuous now is it.

Not withstanding that, suppose a boardwalk solve that issue. What do you intend to to at the other end of strand road to accommodate a safe segregated cycle path. For the 300 metres from Merion gates, there is no promenade to build over. The road has private dwellings on either side and no means of providing for a cycle path without utilising the road space.

The days of Strand road as a main arterial route are finished once Dart frequencies are increased and the gates are down for up to 50% of the time. When the good citizens of Sandymount blocked the building of a flyover there, they ensured the future redundancy of the road as a main thoroughfare for motorised traffic.

If you absolutely must drive to the east link itself, you can still access if via Merion road/Serpentine avenue/Tritonville road. If your final destination happens to be somewhere beyond the east link itself, a better alternative will likely be more obvious. The idea that sandymount green would become clogged with rat runs is pure nonsense.

AndrewJRenko

First Up wrote: »

About 250 meters between Irishtown Park and the promenade need to be reconfigured to get a safe and equitable solution for everyone. Other options for that deserve more thought, as do the consequences of what DCC want to do.

And by equitable, you mean that cyclists will continue to have their lives and safety, and that of their families, endangered daily by motorists speeding through the area with four empty seats while checking their WhatsApp funny pictures group chats.

Equitable indeed.

First Up

Peregrine wrote:

For the second time, it's 750 metres. Not 250 metres. Have you even been to Sandymount? How could anyone who knows Strand Road think the park and the promenade are 250 metres away?

250 metres was quoted in one study and I'll find it later. Google Maps shows Marine Rd to Roslyn Park as 300 meters. That is almost exactly the length of the beach. I ran out to the bird sanctuary and harbour wall for many years. It took about 2 minutes to get across the bit of beach and on to the promenade.

Fighting Tao

First Up wrote: »

250 metres was quoted in one study and I'll find it later. Google Maps shows Marine Rd to Roslyn Park as 300 meters. That is almost exactly the length of the beach. I ran out to the bird sanctuary and harbour wall for many years. It took about 2 minutes to get across the bit of beach and on to the promenade.

Makes sense. If you were a frequent runner then you would have been completing 5k runs in 20 minutes at that pace. Maybe you didn’t realise you covered ~500m in the 2 minutes.

Alias G

First Up wrote: »

250 metres was quoted in one study and I'll find it later. Google Maps shows Marine Rd to Roslyn Park as 300 meters. That is almost exactly the length of the beach. I ran out to the bird sanctuary and harbour wall for many years. It took about 2 minutes to get across the bit of beach and on to the promenade.

Are you actually going to argue with a map? You really don't know when you are wrong do you?

tomasrojo

Alias G wrote: »

Are you actually going to argue with a map? You really don't know when you are wrong do you?

Unless the representation on the map is incorrect, Roslyn Park is not at the far end of the beach.

First Up

Fighting Tao wrote:

Makes sense. If you were a frequent runner then you would have been completing 5k runs in 20 minutes at that pace. Maybe you didn’t realise you covered ~500m in the 2 minutes.

Haha, I wish.

First Up

Alias G wrote:

Are you actually going to argue with a map? You really don't know when you are wrong do you?

Did you look at the map?

Alias G

First Up wrote: »

Did you look at the map?

I didn't have to. I went to the trouble of measuring it myself and surprise surprise, got the same answer.

tomasrojo

First Up wrote: »

Did you look at the map?

Tell you what, instead of sending us off to watch long videos or do your homework for you, you send us a screenshot of the 250m that you think is required.

Peregrine

First Up wrote: »

250 metres was quoted in one study and I'll find it later. Google Maps shows Marine Rd to Roslyn Park as 300 meters. That is almost exactly the length of the beach. I ran out to the bird sanctuary and harbour wall for many years. It took about 2 minutes to get across the bit of beach and on to the promenade.

Do you mean Marine Drive? The promenade doesn't start at Roslyn. To run the 750 metre distance between Marine Drive and the promenade in 2 minutes, you would have to run at 22.5 km/h.



270 metres was quoted in a report by the National Transport Authority when it was asked to look into operating a one way section between Merrion Hall and Merrion Gates based on one of the opposition groups' napkin-based engineering drawings. That's the southern end of Strand Road if you're not familiar.

Here's a line from the conclusion about how long it could take to clear that one way section:

Applying this departure rate to our queuing
example above would imply that a vehicle arriving at the back on the queue at exactly 13:00 would
encounter a residual queue of 1746 vehicles and the time to clear the queue would be 7 hours and 12 minutes

7 hours and 12 bloody minutes. You want this for the 750m northern section? The plan to make the entire road one way which you are opposing would result in a lot less congestion.

The report said it would be dangerous and infeasible. The fact that you were taking this debunked idea and presenting it as your own brilliant idea for the northern section until you mixed up the distance involved shows just how deep into the barrel you're willing to scrape.

buffalo

Alias G wrote: »

Are you actually going to argue with a map?

Ah, but does the map take into account the curvature of the earth?

tomasrojo

Potentially non-Euclidean geometry comes into play as well

buffalo

We haven't discounted that First Up knows of a wormhole on Strand Road. That extra 500m?

tomasrojo

Energize!

First Up

Reading maps on the phone can be tricky. I'll try again:
The promenade starts nearly opposite the Gilford Rd junction with Strand Rd. The non-tidal part of the beach is opposite Seafort Avenue and the distance shows on Google Maps at about 370 meters.

Yes, thats longer than the 250 I earlier estimated but hardly an insurmountable engineering challenge or too long to accommodate an alternate flow system. And any delay it would cause would still be easier than a diversion through Sandymount Village or on Londonbridge Rd.

TheW1zard

First Up wrote: »

Reading maps on the phone can be tricky. I'll try again:
The promenade starts nearly opposite the Gilford Rd junction with Strand Rd. The non-tidal part of the beach is opposite Seafort Avenue and the distance shows on Google Maps at about 370 meters.

Yes, thats longer than the 250 I earlier estimated but hardly an insurmountable engineering challenge or too long to accommodate an alternate flow system. And any delay it would cause would still be easier than a diversion through Sandymount Village or on Londonbridge Rd.

Gilford road to Seafort Avenue is 700m..

Alias G

First Up wrote: »

Reading maps on the phone can be tricky. I'll try again:
The promenade starts nearly opposite the Gilford Rd junction with Strand Rd. The non-tidal part of the beach is opposite Seafort Avenue and the distance shows on Google Maps at about 370 meters.

Yes, thats longer than the 250 I earlier estimated but hardly an insurmountable engineering challenge or too long to accommodate an alternate flow system. And any delay it would cause would still be easier than a diversion through Sandymount Village or on Londonbridge Rd.

And what about the other end of Strand Road? The 300 metres approaching Merrion Gates. You seem to be ignoring this portion of the road altogether for some reason.

Dowee

First Up wrote: »

Reading maps on the phone can be tricky. I'll try again:
The promenade starts nearly opposite the Gilford Rd junction with Strand Rd. The non-tidal part of the beach is opposite Seafort Avenue and the distance shows on Google Maps at about 370 meters.

Yes, thats longer than the 250 I earlier estimated but hardly an insurmountable engineering challenge or too long to accommodate an alternate flow system. And any delay it would cause would still be easier than a diversion through Sandymount Village or on Londonbridge Rd.

What Google Maps are you using? Mine says 700m

Gilford Rd to Seafort Ave.png

First Up

Dowee wrote:

What Google Maps are you using? Mine says 700m

Look at the Steps under Directions On my version the section on Strand Rd is shown at 400m and the promenade starts a bit sooner.

Seth Brundle

TheW1zard wrote: »

Gilford road to Seafort Avenue is 700m..

Maybe that was before they moved the streets closer together?

Eamonnator

@First Up
I disagree profoundly with most of what you say, But I must say, that I Really admire your tenacity.
As someone with virtually no skin in this particular game, I'm enjoying your contributions.
Keep it up.

Dowee

First Up wrote: »

Look at the Steps under Directions On my version the section on Strand Rd is shown at 400m and the promenade starts a bit sooner.

Don't understand what you're saying. Maybe you could share a screenshot of your measurement.

Alias G

First Up wrote: »

Look at the Steps under Directions On my version the section on Strand Rd is shown at 400m and the promenade starts a bit sooner.

What version? You haven't presented your map. But please go ahead and give us a good laugh.

And respond with your proposal for the southern portion of the cycle track while you are at it.

CramCycle

First Up wrote: »

Look at the Steps under Directions On my version the section on Strand Rd is shown at 400m and the promenade starts a bit sooner.

MOD VOICE: Others are actually providing proof this time, unless you provide it via screenshot of where you are on about, I will have to take it you are trolling.