Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

Weepsie

A truck blocking a mandatory lane is illegal. A truck destroying public property is illegal.

Keep ignoring the fact the supervalue is only there 10 years, 14 if we include the superquinn.

You're all about planning. They've never once applied to make any sort of amendment to how they can access. That's on them.

There's a crossing right there too. Not much of a hazard in comparison

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118317513#Comment_118317513

We could also say buses around sandymount streets is life in an urban village.

Larbre34

Sure, if you like. But what has that got to do with this?

Grassey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118317513#Comment_118317513

And a truck blocking one directional general traffic lane for a while is a __________.

a) Crime against the hard pressed motorist Joe.

b) Further chipping away at Dublins unique character

c) Loony Leftie Green idea endangering EVERYONE

d) Part of life in an urban village

9320

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118317318#Comment_118317318

Why can't SuperValu use Westmoreland Park then? It's an additional 50 metres from the shop, I know Ranelagh Avenue is usually too full but it's potentially another option.

You say "churlish" I say it's an appropriate solution when they don't listen to complaints. Also the mini-Irelander approach is nonsense, Lidl support Irish jobs and Irish businesses too.

Macy0161

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118317318#Comment_118317318

Musgraves are a multiple, same as any other, and one of the biggest when you include the centra's too. I've zero issue supporting Lidl, who are renowned fair employer over supervalu (where the franchise owners can be hit and miss from what I hear anecdotally). Lidl in Ranelagh have solved the issue of deliveries for them. Supervalu ranelagh have done nothing that anyone can find to solve the issue of deliveries (assuming using smaller trucks and/ or wheeling a cage across a road is actually an issue in all but a car centric mindset).

magicbastarder

seems relevant - probably posted already!

https://dublininquirer.com/2021/11/24/when-new-cycle-lanes-block-old-delivery-methods-how-can-the-council-help-businesses-adapt

Larbre34

Short-term set-down and delivery areas should be considered as part of any major road space reallocation system, as well as hybrid car-parking bays that double as additional loading bays before 10/11am, for example,

The above quote from the TUD study on Blackrock is quite telling.

While I would give credit to DLR for going the extra mile to find a balance in the schemes they have introduced, its clear that the DCC attitude to genuine and frequent conflict issues, such as this, is the 'it'll be grand' defence. That's just not good enough for any category of road user, or for customer facing businesses in the DCC area who are already in a very serious existensial crisis. Does it occur to no person in DCC that these businesses are their own primary funders, through commercial rates?

ARX

How about turning the space outside the Emerald Court and Sound Hire (where buses currently pull into the bus stop) into a loading bay, and moving the bus stop a few metres further towards the Luas station and building the footpath out to the road at that point, so buses stop in the road rather than pulling in? There's a big chunk of space between the Emerald Court and the disabled parking space at the Luas station that looks like it could be used as a loading bay (from Street View it's clear that the Pulp shredding company has already anticipated this).

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118326644#Comment_118326644

That could be said of the businesses too. There's been double yellows outside that shop in the article for at least 20 years. IT's never been legal to park outside and use as a loading bay, but ah yeah, sure it's grand. There's a very large and capable loading bay about 10 metres up that belongs and is operated by the ILAC centres for the various tenants there, one of which is Star Asia Foods.

They quite literally have one for them and it's not used, because ah sure it's grand, we used to be able to park illegally for years and years and was alright if we had the flashers on.

buffalo

Remember, you can park on double-yellows to unload for up to 20mins IIRC.

Grassey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329308#Comment_118329308

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/182/made/en/print#article36

Well there is something new to me - I thought the exeption only covered breakdowns, roadworks, emergency etc

hesker

That exception applies only to section 38 though by my reading. It doesn’t over-ride section 36 ( double yellow lines).

Dowee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118330106#Comment_118330106

I think you may be looking at the wrong part, Section 5 (details below) seems to cover it.

5 Non-application of certain Prohibitions and Restrictions

5. (1) These Regulations shall apply save where compliance is not possible as a result of an obstruction to traffic or pedestrians or because of an emergency situation confronting a road user which could not reasonably have been expected or anticipated.

(2) Save where otherwise expressly provided in these Regulations, a prohibition on the entry of a vehicle to a road or an area or the prohibition on the stopping or parking of a vehicle imposed by these Regulations shall not apply to—

( a ) a vehicle used in connection with the removal of an obstruction to traffic;

( b ) a vehicle being used in connection with the carrying out of roadworks;

( c ) a fire brigade, an ambulance, or a vehicle being used by a member of the Garda Síochána in performance of the duties of that member;

( d ) a vehicle which has been damaged or has broken down, during the period necessary to effect repairs to the vehicle or remove it from the location;

( e ) a prohibition on the parking of a vehicle imposed by article 36(2)(a) shall not apply to a vehicle parked while goods are being loaded in or on to it or unloaded from it, for a period not exceeding thirty minutes from the commencement of the parking

Thelonious Monk

I was cycling out of Sandymount the other day and noticed it now says 50km/h instead of 30 as you enter the Strand Road from Ringsend, has this been changed?

Strand Rd in the news again

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/hgv-ban-for-strand-road-in-dublin-suburb-sandymount-1.4769636

Mr. Cats

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/hgv-ban-for-strand-road-in-dublin-suburb-sandymount-1.4769636

Last section of this article also seems to suggest 50kmh

Larbre34

Yes the correct 50 km/h default urban speed limit was restored on Strand Road / Beach Road recently.

The 30km/h was a temporary measure, a questionable one in my opinion, following a number of minor alterations that had been made to some junctions prior to works on the planned cycleway being injuncted by the High Court.

With that full judgment having been made last summer and no prospect of the appeal getting a hearing for at least another year, local reps forced the Council executive to give up the untenable position of trying to leave the inappropriate 30 limit in place, if for no other reason than it was unenforceable as a temporary road works speed limit, with no road works taking place.

I have no doubt the local Garda traffic inspector was glad to see the back of it too, for the headaches it created.

bazermc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118427853#Comment_118427853

Only a matter of time before they limit entry into Sandymount to those who hold a Sandymount passport.

Larbre34

The HGV ban is necessary and fair, but there won't be ramps on the R131, it's an important bus and emergency services route.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429007#Comment_118429007

The road my parents live on is a regional route, has a Garda Station, and is a major route for ambulances. It also has ramps, so your idea that they wouldn’t be installed on a R road due to emergency services is bizarre.

Larbre34

Sure, not always, but Dublin Fire Brigade (who also run the emergency ambulance response in the City) have succeeded in advising against ramps on many of their preferred routes in favour of speed cushions and chicane treatments.

Also residents on a lot of main routes are disturbed, especially at night, by the sound of vehicles thumping over ramps, even at low speed, and we know how powerful the Sandymount residents are so.....

Weepsie

The ramps don't make much of a difference to street noise and anyone who thinks they do, needs to realiae that road noise is a disturbance anyway. That's specific to the type of ramp they can put in of course as some are shite, but solution is to not use shite ones

If Ramps bother them, he solution is to move and reduce traffic.

It's such an insanely stupid argument imo and real bottom of the barrel searching for excuses

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118326563#Comment_118326563

We tried loading bays in Limerick. Council gave up because they were always full of illegally parked cars

p15574

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118430030#Comment_118430030

This is so infuriating, so Irish. "People break the law so no point"..."How about enforcing the law"?..."Oh no, that would annoy them"

Macy0161

We live by a speed ramp (on an R road that is the direct access for ambulances, mountain rescue, and in before times full of buses/ coaches 🙄 ) and main noise is from HGV's, which will be banned anyway!

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118431709#Comment_118431709

The good news at least is after reverting to parking it became outdoor seating for a pub

ImportMeHappy

Spreadsheet listing the funding allocated to various active travel products..

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GXZ_nSqxPrd3BXNgy0VHFXsE5mKyXMM9/edit#gid=685317806

From..

https://irishcycle.com/2022/01/26/minister-ryan-funds-road-widening-capacity-projects-under-active-travel-funding/

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429930#Comment_118429930

What a simplistic and intolerant argument. "The solution is move..." if ramps are a bother. Do you think moving house is ever easy, or maybe even affordable?

Ramps cause extra wear to road vehicles (you would probably approve of that!). They also cause local pollution as vehicles accelerate away from them, and the constant braking and acceleration wastes energy (and therefore fuel). As for "shite" ramps, I have little confidence in our local authorities to produce ramps of a consistent quality, and to maintain them.

But then , maybe I'm making another stupid argument.

Ben D Bus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118540862#Comment_118540862

Pretty sure the poster was saying to move the traffic elsewhere. And reduce traffic at the same time.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118540862#Comment_118540862

They only cause damage to vehicle if they are driven over too fast. That's a people problem. And yes, it wasn't to move house, it was to move the traffic.

There are some types of speed ramps that are crap granted, but generally, it's not the ramp that's the cause of any damage, it's the driver.

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118540862#Comment_118540862

Your not alone, my partner doesn't drive over ramps correctly either. You aren't meant to accelerate away like you are taking off at a grand prix and then brake hard on approach, you are meant to keep a low enough speed in the area in general. I typically stay at an appropriate speed but completely take my foot off the accelerator as I approach, and then lightly press it on the other side (not rev up as loads of people seem to). You certainly don't burn much if any more fuel if you drive correctly and at an appropriate speed.

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429353#Comment_118429353

Do you mind me asking for a link, the only thing I could find on google was a boards discussion from years ago.

magicbastarder

not much point in asking him for a link at the moment.

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118542127#Comment_118542127

If ramps slow people down, then there are inevitable consequences. There has to be some element of braking before you get to them, and some acceleration after the ramp. I think the laws of physics have something to say about the consequences of that for energy use. The braking can be via use of engine in low gear, but that's just another way of dissipating kinetic energy.

I would agree that ramps should be handled carefully by drivers, but they vary so much in profile that a nice smooth passage is not always possible.

Of course if you drive really slowly (10kph) then ramps are no problem at all. Except for time wasted, traffic jammed and probably fuel waster as people drive in 1st of 2nd gear.

Podge_irl

Ramps do seem like a poorer solution than other traffic calming measures. Never been a big fan of them.

Dowee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118543926#Comment_118543926

There's so many holes in that argument it's hard to know where to start.

Ramps are for the most part going to be in areas where you are supposed to drive at a low speed. The object of them isn't to go as fast as you can between them and brake or reduce gear to slow down right before them. If you cruise at say 30kmph in a ramp area you can just ease off the accelerator in advance of the ramp, roll over and then ease your foot back onto the accelerator, this is a fairly basic driving skill.

The ramps are not an obstacale to be overcome in one's attempt to go at the fastest speed possible down a road, they are most likely there to slow you down because the speeds that inconsiderate morons drove at before they were there was inappropriate and dangerous to other road users and pedestrians.

Macy0161

I'd contend the biggest problem with speed ramps is they're too far apart to really effect speed/ reduce speeding. So we have the slow for the ramp, accelerate up above the speed limit, brake for the next ramp. All because motorists won't stick to the posted limit.

The gardaí used to fairly regularly have a speed trap between speed ramps approaching and exiting my village (and have a line up of "fish in a barrel" caught).

tomasrojo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544069#Comment_118544069

Yes, in my experience, like in 30km/h zones, lightly engaging the accelerator in third gear pretty much gets you in the right zone for these low-speed areas, and sets up transition over speed ramps just fine.

Macy0161

I'd regularly use the cruise control in urban areas too.

tomasrojo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118545341#Comment_118545341

That's interesting. I haven't got round to finding out where the cruise control (if any) is on the cars I've rented in Dublin, but that seems to make sense as a practice.

Macy0161

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118545385#Comment_118545385

"When appropriate" I should've added. I tend to do it through part of the village 50km zone - I'm quite often overtaken, particularly in the morning!

Idleater

In my car I can only set cruise after 30kmph. Coincidentally the same speed limit as my area. It's great for the downhill stretch with the "your speed" display (outside a school). The highest I've seen (albeit on a weekend) was 74.

p15574

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118545341#Comment_118545341

You're only supposed to use it on motorways, aren't you? Where there should be minimal pedal-use required. I wouldn't even use it on the M50, unless it was empty.

Macy0161

It's effectively a speed limiter in these circumstances - I'm paying full attention. As soon as I touch the brake it comes off. To engage it's less hand movement than putting on/ off the full headlights.

markpb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118545913#Comment_118545913

Cruise control, maybe. ACC is fine to use in lots of conditions.

loyatemu

I only ever use cruise on quiet sections of motorway.

There is a speed limiter function on the car as well, I occasionally use this if I'm on a wide road with a low limit where it's easy to let the speed drift up.

Macy0161

Well it works for me, and I feel I'm in control of the car and able to react. Not sure how it'd be different to a speed limiter tbh in reality - my right foot is covering the brake, as opposed to being on the accelerator.

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544069#Comment_118544069

I never advocated going fast between ramps, but especially when ramps are in a 50kph zone there will inevitably be braking and acceleration. I actually advocated careful use of ramps by drivers. As for the energy losses in braking and acceleration, do you want to question basic physics? Please read what I actually wrote and make your criticisms address what I actually said.

Dowee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118546360#Comment_118546360

You said:

"If ramps slow people down, then there are inevitable consequences. There has to be some element of braking before you get to them, and some acceleration after the ramp."

I highlighted how that is not the case. You are basing your argument on the "fact" that there has to be braking and acceleration, that is completely false.

You've now introduced 50kmph zones into the argument, which weren't in your original comment. Just because ramps are in a 50kmph zone doesn't mean you have to drive 50kmph until you're close to the ramp and then brake, you can take your foot off the accelator and have the car slow down naturally. Also 50kmph is the max speed, not the target or obligatory speed.