Anne Hathaway apologies for depiction of limb difference

Sardonicat

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Dahl wrote it as .....a beautiful woman takes off her mask there is something awful underneath. The witches meeting ....the cover is a children's charity...or govt agency.

I didn't ask that, i asked if these limb differences were something Dahl wrote.

ILoveYourVibes

Sardonicat wrote: »

I didn't ask that, i asked if these limb differences were something Dahl wrote.

If you want to take books literally yes. But obviously that is not very intelligent.

And obv a film that can't point out the metaphor isn't very intelligent either.

ILoveYourVibes

Hurrache wrote: »

She also needs to apologise to people with big noses and facial scars. Imagine having a large nose and everyone assuming you're a witch.

They did that major theme of anti semitism.

I DO think its funny though that humans have been so manipulated by govts and culture for so long.

There used to be church hymns in medieval times saying it was RIGHT to tax the disabled because they were not godly. Actual hymns sung in church.


And yet people are happy to be manipulated.

Its just to make us feel we don't have to care for people....financially i mean.

The White Wolf

meeeeh wrote: »

I think at the moment it's easier to apologise than explain. The whole thing goes away quickly. Warner Bros apologised too. Optics of arguing with people with disabilities would look bad no matter how nonsense the complaint is.

I think this is it, studios are paralysed by the need for making money and actors must be seen to be on the right side of something for fear their career will be damaged.

It's a shame as you can see already that the art is suffering across media, with actors of questionable quality being cast taking precedence over the best available one being cast.

AnniePowwa

outrageously sexy woman

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

And you think others should have to go through what you did?

They will or they won't.. because what you're encouraging isn't going to change people's minds/behaviors. Those who are different will receive attention. It's just the way humanity is. How we react to that attention will shape our lives for a long time thereafter. It's less about other people, and more about ourselves. The person with the disability. That should be the focus... but it's not.

This is more about the people who can show their virtue by chasing a crusade.

ILoveYourVibes

AnniePowwa wrote: »

outrageously sexy woman

Hathaway ..or the witch?:p

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

They will or they won't.. because what you're encouraging isn't going to change people's minds/behaviors. Those who are different will receive attention. It's just the way humanity is. How we react to that attention will shape our lives for a long time thereafter. It's less about other people, and more about ourselves. The person with the disability. That should be the focus... but it's not.

This is more about the people who can show their virtue by chasing a crusade.

You can manipulate human behavior very well.

Think of how it affected LGBT people in such a short time.

If we say ...lets just let it be ....it will just be.

You didn't deserve to go through what you did. And saying that ...doesn't make you weak. It makes you stronger in my eyes.

I would have stood up for you ! Not that you couldn't for yourself. But i would support you.

I agree THIS instance ...this apology ..is about virtue sig...i mean if she cared ..just don't do the film etc.

Sardonicat

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

If you want to take books literally yes. But obviously that is not very intelligent.

And obv a film that can't point out the metaphor isn't very intelligent either.

Ah jaysus! In the child's book written by Dahl did this character have elongated fingers?

Maybe you haven't read it, so dont know. That's fine. But maybe let someone who does know answer the question.

My favourite Dahl book was called The Magic Finger and in it a girl rendered a family of thuggish bullies limbless so they had to live in a bird's nest and be fed worms. I managed to not take from that that people who lose limbs are being punished for being kuhnts, young as I was. I did enjoy the revenge and comeuppance in the story, though.

ILoveYourVibes

Sardonicat wrote: »

Ah jaysus! In the child's book written by Dahl did this character have elongated fingers?

Maybe you haven't read it, so dont know. That's fine. But maybe let someone who does know answer the question.

My favourite Dahl book was called The Magic Finger and in it a girl rendered a family of thuggish bullies limbless so they had to live in a bird's nest and be fed worms. I managed to not take from that that people who lose limbs are being punished for being kuhnts, young as I was. I did enjoy the revenge and comeuppance in the story, though.

I have read it.:)

No she wasn't depicted like that.

She had claws .three fingers or talons..but covered them ...and wore a mask ...but not two ( i havent seen the movie but i think its like two?)

Right now i am reading only books in spanish to improve ..i re read danny the champion of the world and charlie and the choc factory..and i mean the workers in the factory ...well its pretty racist.

One eyed Jack

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I agree THIS instance ...this apology ..is about virtue sig...i mean if she cared ..just don't do the film etc.

Far as I know, she issued the apology after the film came out, because like she said it’s just basic human decency not to want to hurt or offend other people. She only realised how it could be hurtful when she became aware of how it affected other people, perfectly normal stuff. This kind of stuff for example -


The Witches: Why are Paralympians writing '#NotAWitch' on their bodies?


As Ann Hathaway herself said, it’s nothing to do with being PC or virtue signalling, for her it’s just about having a basic level of human decency.

ILoveYourVibes

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Far as I know, she issued the apology after the film came out, because like she said it’s just basic human decency not to want to hurt or offend other people. She only realised how it could be hurtful when she became aware of how it affected other people, perfectly normal stuff. This kind of stuff for example -


The Witches: Why are Paralympians writing '#NotAWitch' on their bodies?


As Ann Hathaway herself said, it’s nothing to do with being PC or virtue signalling, for her it’s just about having a basic level of human decency.

Well i think knowing hollywoods actual level of intelligence and sophistication I would believe she actually didn't have a clue.

But i mean ...her fee must have been huge and tempting.

TBH though


Coraline ..had a great villain and designed it so well. The other mother.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its 2020

People who have differently shaped bodies shouldn't be portrayed as monsters anymore.

It makes their lives harder.

It makes children afraid of people who are different in real life. And we know it does.

Woah!

Thats some next level stuff there.

Theres a huge difference between being a monster BECAUSE you have a differently shaped body and being a monster WITH a differently shaped body.

Thats madness.

Vampires shouldnt have fangs because people with pointy incisors might get called dracula?

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

Woah!

Thats some next level stuff there.

Theres a huge difference between being a monster BECAUSE you have a differently shaped body and being a monster WITH a differently shaped body.

Thats madness.

Vampires shouldnt have fangs because people with pointy incisors might get called dracula?

vampires are depicted as glamorous ..perfect even.

Blondini

"Limb Difference"

FFS

What's wrong with twisty leg or gammy hand like we used to say in Old Dublin Town.

Stop the world and let me off.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

vampires are depicted as glamorous ..perfect even.

nosferatu would like a word

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

nosferatu would like a word

I know ..but i have a strange need to LOOK like a vampire ok!



I used to draw ..i guess ....differently abled fairies ....but they were all good ..but good in an Addams family kind of way.

I never thought it could get me into trouble tho.

iguana

One eyed Jack wrote: »

The Witches: Why are Paralympians writing '#NotAWitch' on their bodies?

As Ann Hathaway herself said, it’s nothing to do with being PC or virtue signalling, for her it’s just about having a basic level of human decency.

Is there a disability where people have 3 long claws for a hand? The athlete in the photo with 'not a witch' written on her arm didn't look anything like the witch claw thing Anne Hathaway's character had. It was completely and totally different and comparing the two is weirdly insulting to people with physical difference. As if all differences are completely the same, including totally made up fantasy supernatural ones.

I don't have a physical disability but I do have a facial birthmark so I have an understanding of having a difference on your body that can result in you being treated differently and shape, to some degree, how you act in the world. And more importantly, how for the most part it really, really doesn't. How it's a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny part of how I am and how people treat me. (Obviously something that meant I had different abilities and need to make adaptations to how I get through life would be a real difference, but this about how people treat people with differences.) Any campaign of this sort will result in making people feel an absolute fücktonne worse about their differences than just getting on with life. It's looking for problems that aren't there and finding hurt and offence where none was intended. I can't actually imagine how bloody insecure I'd feel about myself if I'd been subjected to this kind of shït when I was growing up. Teaching people about differences, about how not to hurt others, talking about the whats and whys of things is good. But creating problems where there aren't any only hurts people more and makes difference much bigger than they are.

ILoveYourVibes

iguana wrote: »

Is there a disability where people have 3 long claws for a hand? The athlete in the photo with 'not a witch' written on her arm didn't look anything like the witch claw thing Anne Hathaway's character had. It was completely and totally different and comparing the two is weirdly insulting to people with physical difference. As if all differences are completely the same, including totally made up fantasy supernatural ones.

I don't have a physical disability but I do have a facial birthmark so I have an understanding of having a difference on your body that can result in you being treated differently and shape, to some degree, how you act in the world. And more importantly, how for the most part it really, really doesn't. How it's a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny part of how I am and how people treat me. (Obviously something that meant I had different abilities and need to make adaptations to how I get through life would be a real difference, but this about how people treat people's with differences.) Any campaign of this sort will result in making people feel an absolute fücktonne worse about their differences than just getting on with life. It's looking for problems that aren't there and finding hurt and offence where none was intended. I can't actually imagine how bloody insecure I'd feel about myself if I'd been subjected to this kind of shït when I was growing up. Teaching people about differences, about how not to hurt others, talking about the whats and whys of things is good. But creating problems where there aren't any only hurts people more and makes difference much bigger than they are.

I respect your opinion.

I agree actually.

You need to do things in a way ...so that people don't work out what you are doing.

Do it subversively.

Edward scissor hands style.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You can manipulate human behavior very well.

I can manipulate human behavior? Err...

Think of how it affected LGBT people in such a short time.

If we say ...lets just let it be ....it will just be.

Ahh.. I'm not entering that rabbit hole. I've seen your views before, and we're at opposite ends there.

You didn't deserve to go through what you did. And saying that ...doesn't make you weak. It makes you stronger in my eyes.

I would have stood up for you ! Not that you couldn't for yourself. But i would support you.

And your support would have been worth absolutely nothing, and in many ways, be worse than nothing. Why? firstly, it still relates to how I deal with my individual situation. Every individual has to come to terms with their own changing environment. Secondly, though, your need to enforce your views on others would simply create more hostility for me to deal with. You wouldn't have to deal with that hostility, but the person you're trying to protect, would. People really dislike having their flaws thrown in their faces, and then, being told to change (but lacking any effective means to bring about change, even if they wanted to)

I agree THIS instance ...this apology ..is about virtue sig...i mean if she cared ..just don't do the film etc.

No. Do the film. It wasn't a film about disabilities. It was a film about fantasy. For entertainment. If people want to see the film, good for them. If they don't, good for them.

This wasn't about people with disabilities until the outraged people sought recognition, and gained that recognition with the Studio/actors apology. YAY. How perfectly useless a gesture.

Blondini

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Edward scissor hands style.

You can't call him that any more.

It's now Edward Limb Difference.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

I can manipulate human behavior? Err...



.

Certainly you can. In fact klaz ..it might be your greatest unexploited power!



I cannot speak to your personal experiences obv they are not within my frame of life experience etc.

Nermal

One eyed Jack wrote: »

She only realised how it could be hurtful when she became aware of how it affected other people, perfectly normal stuff.

How much of our art, culture and tradition must we suppress or reinterpret to ensure no-one is ever hurt?

ILoveYourVibes

Blondini wrote: »

You can't call him that any more.

It's now Edward Limb Difference.

Whatever his name he was the crush of a generation of teen girls.

Sardonicat

Blondini wrote: »

You can't call him that any more.

It's now Edward Limb Difference.

Edward Differrntly Fingered

No, that wouldn't do, would it? I didn't think that one through but will leave it there cos it made me giggle

Varik

There's a push in fiction for this nonsense, the woke have a real problem with ****ing orcs for instance and Elves are obviously white supremacist. Since all fantasy/scifi species/races/whatever are just stand-ins for humans,

Nermal

Nermal wrote: »

How much of our art, culture and tradition must we suppress or reinterpret to ensure no-one is ever hurt?

All of it.

Not to worry though. Soon, the only actors who can play a role, will genuinely be the same as that role. ie. A disabled person playing a disabled person, a trans playing a trans, etc. We'll have a incredibly diverse cast in every production even when historically the era only had white people (no need for diversity when it's a black cultural reference).

No doubt we'll soon have a reproduction of Glenmore with a Nigerian Irish Biddy, and a Syrian Irish Fr. Tracy, etc

Varik

Varik wrote: »

There's a push in fiction for this nonsense, the woke have a real problem with ****ing orcs for instance and Elves are obviously white supremacist. Since all fantasy/scifi species/races/whatever are just stand-ins for humans,

Yup. they've been going after Orcs recently. The world has gone full retard. :pac:

One eyed Jack

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Well i think knowing hollywoods actual level of intelligence and sophistication I would believe she actually didn't have a clue.

But i mean ...her fee must have been huge and tempting.

TBH though


Coraline ..had a great villain and designed it so well. The other mother.

Ahh it’s understandable that if someone has no experience of something, they’re not likely to have a clue or to make the same associations as other people who have these conditions would make, nothing to do with enormous fees or any of the rest of it. It was just an oversight on Ann Hathaways part and she apologised for any hurt or offence caused to people with these conditions. It was probably the least Hollywood-like behaviour I’ve ever seen because normally, Hollywood types don’t apologise for shìt, they always try and turn it around and make themselves out to be the victim.

I haven’t seen Coraline (it’s on my “must watch” list now though ), but one of the best re-tellings of a story I’ve seen in recent years was Angelina Jolie in Maleficent - thought of as the villian of the Sleeping Beauty story, but the “reality” as it were, was more complicated.

Sardonicat

Varik wrote: »

There's a push in fiction for this nonsense, the woke have a real problem with ****ing orcs for instance and Elves are obviously white supremacist. Since all fantasy/scifi species/races/whatever are just stand-ins for humans,

Are pixies still cool?

One eyed Jack

Sardonicat wrote: »

Are pixies still cool?

Well, Tinker Bell did try to have Wendy killed... not cool :pac:

Sardonicat

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Well, Tinker Bell did try to have Wendy killed... not cool :pac:

Tinker Bell is a fairy, so what would you expect.

ILoveYourVibes

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Well, Tinker Bell did try to have Wendy killed... not cool :pac:

I hated wendy.

She was so boring

ILoveYourVibes

Sardonicat wrote: »

Tinker Bell is a fairy, so what would you expect.

imma fairy and YES we are evil

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

All of it.

Not to worry though. Soon, the only actors who can play a role, will genuinely be the same as that role. ie. A disabled person playing a disabled person, a trans playing a trans, etc. We'll have a incredibly diverse cast in every production even when historically the era only had white people (no need for diversity when it's a black cultural reference).

No doubt we'll soon have a reproduction of Glenmore with a Nigerian Irish Biddy, and a Syrian Irish Fr. Tracy, etc

ha.

Imagine the casting directors:

"We are looking to cast the part of a rape victim, can you please confirm you've been raped?"

"Im sorry Mel Gibson, we have to give the part of William Wallace to Wee Jimmy Krankie to fulfil our gender, disability, age, nationality quota"

seenitall

This happened only about a decade ago. The choice of the children’s programme presenter viciously attacked by numerous parents, because she only had one arm and would give their kids nightmares... or something.

Apologies about the source, it was just the first link that popped up with the story from 2009.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1152466/One-armed-presenter-scaring-children-parents-tell-BBC.html

Tony EH

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

vampires are depicted as glamorous ..perfect even.

People with large ears might get upset.



Actually, on the modern vampire...their transformation into a, largely, female sex object has led to their deep, deep, decline. It's the reason they...um...suck these days.

I prefer my vampires to be frightening creatures. Not something that sparkles or people want to fuck.



Oh no, bad teeth.

Tony EH

Deleted User wrote: »

Yup. they've been going after Orcs recently. The world has gone full retard. :pac:

What the hell is wrong with orcs?

Tony EH

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I haven’t seen Coraline

Watch it. It's excellent.

nj27

I long for the day when every single Hollywood actor is a jet black, disabled, trans, Muslim, asexual.

Tony EH

Tony EH wrote: »

What the hell is wrong with orcs?

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/487285-orcs-racism-woke-dnd/

Knock yourself out.

I won't be quoting from this ****show of an article.

nj27

nj27 wrote: »

I long for the day when every single Hollywood actor is a jet black, disabled, trans, Muslim, asexual.

They missed a trick not getting Christopher Reeves to play Superman after his accident.

Tony EH

Deleted User wrote: »

"Im sorry Mel Gibson, we have to give the part of William Wallace to Wee Jimmy Krankie to fulfil our gender, disability, age, nationality quota"

I'd watch that.

"They can takes our lives...but they'll never take our fan-dabby-dozy!"

TP_CM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2020/1106/1176307-anne-hathaway/

For **** sake. What the hell is wrong with people getting so easily offended?

Before the usual suspects get in to accuse me of being offended by the apology, I'm not. Yes, I'm baffled, but certainly not offended.

It's so bizarre.

I think the article is a bit misleading. It says she's facing 'heavy criticism'. I mean really? I would say Donald T is facing heavy criticism at the moment. I wouldn't use those words for Anne H's situation. Really she's facing SOME criticism and probably not for a very long time. I think some celebrities need to focus more on their work and less on the robots in the comment section of their social media accounts. If she got away from technology for a second, she might see that really hardly anyone is confronting her about this.

Tony EH

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/487285-orcs-racism-woke-dnd/

Knock yourself out.

I won't be quoting from this ****show of an article.

I'm going to be sorry I asked, aren't I?

Varik

Tony EH wrote: »

I'm going to be sorry I asked, aren't I?

From the horse mouth.

DIVERSITY AND DUNGEONS & DRAGONS

and the more woke analysis of the above.

Wizards of the Coast is addressing racist stereotypes in Dungeons & Dragons

biko

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/487285-orcs-racism-woke-dnd/

"Orcs represent black people and I know because when I see an orc, I think of black people because I secretly think of black people as disorganized, bloodthirsty monsters with low intelligence and a predilection for violence.
You're racist if you don't agree.
I am very smart."

Funny because it's true

Tony EH

Black people....apparently.

Tony EH

Tony EH wrote: »

Black people....apparently.

Its certainly a POC... green in this case

colm_mcm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Oddly enough I’ve just started reading ‘The witches’ to my son. We did the chapter last night on how to recognise a witch.
I must say I wasn’t very comfortable with the way physical afflictions were associated with something supernatural but put it down to the fact that it was written in a different time.
The grandmother in the story was smoking a cigar and offered it to the 7 year old telling the story - obviously something that would never fly in 2020!
I’m not a fan of rewriting books, but if making one into a movie (The witches was already released as a film 30 years ago) then I have no issue with removing details that send out the wrong message to their audience.

It shouldn’t be up to actors to apologise for this. Obviously it’s for self preservation and not down to conscience.

I agree with everything you say here, with the exception of the bolded part.

If it was any other actor, I'd probably agree too, but not Anne Hathaway.

""I do my best to be sensitive to the feelings and experiences of others not out of some scrambling PC fear, but because not hurting others seems like a base level of decency we should all be striving for."

I think she is one of the few who is genuinely more concerned with her conscience then her career.

On the topic itself, I guess it wouldn't have occurred to me either, but I do have a friend whose daughter was born with a deformed hand and she got a tough time in school enough as it was. I'd imagine something like this could make a child like her's life a lot more difficult.