Vladimir Putin to stand down

Beasty

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Well there you go.

He still has to deal with Trump being out of power though...and whatever Biden decides to do.

Might be able to do a deal. Biden gets the White House, Trump takes over the Kremlin. Everybody's happy


:pac:

lemonTrees

_Brian wrote: »

Parkinsons is a terrible disease.

But there is some irony in this since he just last year forced through legislation making his reign essentially lifelong.

Karma’s a biitch baby !!

You seen like a nice person

victor8600

completedit wrote: »

I have a lot of time for Vladimir. We don't understand Russia or their history enough to know why he's loved there. He was a man I think who started off good but absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Really, Putin is not difficult to understand. Unless you want to not understand.

On one hand, Putin is a mythical construct, not a person. He is governed by his PR advisors, as PR is understood in Kremlin. Read Victor Pelevin's books for the explanation on this point.

Secondly, Putin is a guarantor for the Eltsin's "family" fortunes. He was put into the presidential chair not to govern Russia as such, but to facilitate the continuous pillage of Russian assets by oligarchs.

Thirdly, do not think of the russian government as stupid or gullible. They are continuously monitoring their own popularity and acting to counter any popular protests by appeasing the masses or by killing off prominent opponents. The "strong man" image is just that. Eltsin was friendly with the USA and what did it get Russia? The economic default and ridicule on the world stage. So much better to be enemies with the USA, it is easy, not really economically taxing and shifts the blame for any problems on the American sanctions.

Putin dies? No problem, there are replacement Putins. Just not Medvedev, he is another mythical construct, designed to represent a "liberal president". He proved not to be popular enough, so he will not be chosen.

ZeroThreat

Well that's one less bolthole the Donald and his spawn have available to flee to come January..

imme

Ten of Swords wrote: »

If it is true then my guess would be Dmitry Medvedev would be the most logical replacement for him. They have alternated the roles of President and Prime Minister before, back in 2008

I think they had a subsequent falling out.

It was only the other day there was a headline that Russia was mulling an immunity for former presidents law.
I imagined there was method to their madness.

gmisk

Spore wrote: »

Gonna need a more reliable source on this. The express continually tell the world Kim Jong Un is dead, a vegetable etc. only for the Kimster to reemerge fatter and more bellicose then ever before

They really are the uk's national enquirer at this stage.
Minus the weekly stories about Cher being at deaths door..

Ten of Swords

imme wrote: »

I think they had a subsequent falling out.

Doubtful, Putin put him in charge of National Security this year, he's vice chair of the SBRF. If he'd fallen out of favor he'd have been sent to some civil servant role in the far east.

unkel

The richest man on the planet, takes a few percent of everything. But any credible politician / journalist saying that out loud and providing some proof risks being poisoned.

gmisk

AnniePowwa wrote: »

be careful what you wish for, the world would be a safer place if saddam and gaddafi were still in charge

Saddam?
Tell that to the Kurds in iraq....or the people of Saudi Arabia maybe...ffs
Gaddafi?
The people killed in lockerbie might also disagree.

cml387

druss wrote: »

Which they have. Russian News Agency has quotes from Kremlin denying the Sun story.

Never believe something until it has been officially denied.

US2

gmisk wrote: »

Saddam?
Tell that to the Kurds in iraq....or the people of Saudi Arabia maybe...ffs
Gaddafi?
The people killed in lockerbie might also disagree.

And the millions of people in Lybia would disagree with you. Both counties of course were not perfect, but alot better off than they are now.

Hangdogroad

US2 wrote: »

Seems to have developed Parkinson's disease. Really sad news for Russia. Who will replace him? Turbulent times ahead for Russia you'd imagine.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1356795/putin-resign-next-year-russia-president-kremlin-health-concerns-vladimir-parkinsons-ont

Sad news?

US2

Hangdogroad wrote: »

Sad news?

Sad for the general Russian population, yes. He does a great job of holding that country together. It's a wonderful country to live in despite what our leaders and media tell us. Putin leaving will have massive consequences

Gatling

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Fingers crossed. The place is a kip. Parts of the major cities look like they were only just bombed. All Putin has done is enrich himself and his cronies.

That's it , he went into power on a small industrial wage but will leave power a multibillionaire but yet owns no companies or created anything ,he's a thug and a thief nothing more

Cordell

He can retire with Trump and pleasure each other for the rest of their days. If this is the last we hear from them, the world's gonna be a better place.

randd1

Cordell wrote: »

He can retire with Trump and pleasure each other for the rest of their days. If this is the last we hear from them, the world's gonna be a better place.

Thank you for that rather disturbing image.

I was thinking of coming up with a plan to lose the few pounds I've gained over lockdown, but I've decided if I fancy eating something snacky or not so healthy, I'll use that image to completely put me off the food I was eyeing up.

You may be on to a winner here.

imme

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Doubtful, Putin put him in charge of National Security this year, he's vice chair of the SBRF. If he'd fallen out of favor he'd have been sent to some civil servant role in the far east.

Things aren't always what they seem it seems.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/15/dmitry-medvedev-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-robin-to-putins-batman

Putin is the Chair of the Security Council of Russia, making Medvedev the vice chair with a salary of $8,723.85,
That sounds like sending someone to Siberia without actually sending them to Siberia.

They are a pair of gangsters.

McGinniesta

US2 wrote: »

Seems to have developed Parkinson's disease. Really sad news for Russia. Who will replace him? Turbulent times ahead for Russia you'd imagine.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1356795/putin-resign-next-year-russia-president-kremlin-health-concerns-vladimir-parkinsons-ont

Russian leaders with Parkinson's disease stand down.

They win the democrat nomination in America.

Another thing, we finally have a story with some Russian collusion involved. The New York Times will have a field day with this.

screamer

Maybe it’s exposure to all that novichok he’s been brewing up for years that has taken its toll on him. Either way, he gets 0 sympathy.

Donald Trump

Not a good week for poor oul' Vlad.

Looks like he will also lose his control of the Whitehouse as well

mindancer

Long Live/Rule Putin, he's the best leader Russia has ever known, he's 100% patriotic and everything he does is for Russia's benefit.

Nobotty

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/6/kremlin-spokesman-denies-rumours-on-putins-health

ancapailldorcha

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Fingers crossed. The place is a kip. Parts of the major cities look like they were only just bombed. All Putin has done is enrich himself and his cronies.

You make him sound like an outlier by doing so. There are very few, if any, Russian officials who won't seek to enrich themselves, and their powerbase. It's part of Russian culture to do as much, and you can find such attitudes throughout their society from the bottom to the top. Anyone who replaces him will do exactly the same, and it's highly doubtful anyone will do more than he did to fix up Moscow or any of the cities.

Richard Hillman

Maybe he wants to spend some time with his new Girlfriend

Hangdogroad

mindancer wrote: »

Long Live/Rule Putin, he's the best leader Russia has ever known, he's 100% patriotic and everything he does is for Russia's benefit.

Lol!

ancapailldorcha

Deleted User wrote: »

You make him sound like an outlier by doing so. There are very few, if any, Russian officials who won't seek to enrich themselves, and their powerbase. It's part of Russian culture to do as much, and you can find such attitudes throughout their society from the bottom to the top. Anyone who replaces him will do exactly the same, and it's highly doubtful anyone will do more than he did to fix up Moscow or any of the cities.

No, I didn't. Being one of many doesn't excuse him.

ancapailldorcha

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

No, I didn't. Being one of many doesn't excuse him.

Is he looking to be excused, or were others looking to excuse him? I don't see them as being apologetic for the manner of their lives.. It is what it is.

I spent 6 months in Moscow, and while most people were lovely, they were also all looking for an angle to play. If you don't play the rules, you won't be playing the game for every long.

Gatling

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Maybe he wants to spend some time with his new Girlfriend

Hope she can change large nappies

Cordell

randd1 wrote: »

Thank you for that rather disturbing image.

I was thinking of coming up with a plan to lose the few pounds I've gained over lockdown, but I've decided if I fancy eating something snacky or not so healthy, I'll use that image to completely put me off the food I was eyeing up.

You may be on to a winner here.

*wiener
Happy to oblige all the same.
It may make you sick, but nothing like polonium tea or accidentally falling out a window.

McGinniesta

Cordell wrote: »

He can retire with Trump and pleasure each other for the rest of their days. If this is the last we hear from them, the world's gonna be a better place.

There will be no winners in Washington regardless of the result. This whole situation is going to end in tears.