Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

Cody montana

They are taking it well over on thedonald.win

:eek:

Curious_Case

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

to keep the analogy going, did you buy x 1st time round?

Haha, you're a good sport !!!

Who would you prefer to buy a used car from, Biden or Trump ??

Lolle06

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Will have to disagree, you cant tarnish over 70million people with the one brush, they had reasons why they voted trump and its not because they are all fascists racists etc. The dems have lost congressional seats and probably wont win the senate. NO side can chest pump too much as victors here, listening has to occur from both sides.

I tend to agree.
Not all of the Trump- voters are completely lost.
Some of them just believed the fear-mongering lies that Trump spouted constantly about the “other side”.
Once they see that the democratic gov doesn’t turn the USA into a socialist, baby-eating, Soros- run society, some of them will mellow.

py2006

Just outta bed, what did I miss? He's still president right?

Timberrrrrrrr

py2006 wrote: »

Just outta bed, what did I miss? He's still president right?

Yes, but only until January.

funnydoggy

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yes, but only until January.

:pac::pac::pac:

km991148

is_that_so wrote: »

That's doubtful. Even McConnell, back in September, said there would be an orderly transition. Trump needs to be steered to that ground and that could take a while.

It will never, never happen.

He will go down fighting. He will lawyer up. The best lawyers and the more sane republicans will be putting distance between them. For some republicans this will be difficult as it makes them hypocritical. Some will continue to back him (either because they are fearful of their elected position or holding out for the future, a seat at the table next time a Trump dabbles in politics or whatever) but none of them will ever be able to convince him he lost.

It's also going to be self fueling as the more he digs in, the more his die hards will come out in support, thus fueling Trumps ego and keeping the whole thing ticking along.

I really don't know the end game. Probably being dragged out or leaving under a torrent of abuse and blame and certainly not taking one bit of responsibility or admission of loss. In the meantime.. all sorts of people will be rilled up..

Dante7

https://twitter.com/celsiusgs/status/1325279501132177408?s=20

road_high

bennyl10 wrote: »

Kushner has discussed conceding with the president

I know it’s the English Sun but here goes; particularly like the headline lol

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/13138839/donald-trump-told-concede-election-jared-kushner/amp/

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

He gained 8 million voters since 2016 & there is still a path to voctory for him

Keep on dreaming missus

funnydoggy

The secret service are going to have their work cut out for them with the way some of the Trumpheads are talking. I wonder is most of it just hot air though.

cnocbui

walshb wrote: »

Biden is spot on:

We need to lower the temperature. Need to see and listen to each other

So fooking simple: and utterly lost on that tyrant despot, Trump!

He's right, but the Republicans are beyond any hope of reason or redemption. They have been acting with extreme toxicity ever since Clinton took office, and they have been getting worse with time. They literally do not believe in Democracy or want it. They want a one party system with neo-con polices as a permanent feature.

They represent an ideology of over a century ago and would have died out if it weren't for the electoral college system and the built-in gerrymandering that gives rural voters such a disproportionate voice. If the US had a popular vote electoral system they wouldn't have held office in the last 30 years.

I think there will never be a healing or improvement while the Electoral College system exists. If I were a doctor writing a prescription to cure this chronic disease it would be;

Change the system for altering the constitution to a popular poll with a 58% threshold
Get rid of the Electoral College
Introduce a Hare-Clark voting system
Have 5 lifetime term limits for both houses, with a limit of 2 consecutively.
Increase terms to 5 years.
An age limit of 66 for entering any office with a lower limit of 22
Reduce the President's powers to pardon, specifically excluding themselves, the VP and people appointed by them.
Have the judicary elect members of the Supreme Court on merit from a candidate, proposed by the spokesperson of each political party.
Have Native Americans elect one person to each house as if they constituted a state.

Doctor Jimbob

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Will have to disagree, you cant tarnish over 70million people with the one brush, they had reasons why they voted trump and its not because they are all fascists racists etc. The dems have lost congressional seats and probably wont win the senate. NO side can chest pump too much as victors here, listening has to occur from both sides.

There are people who voted for him because they genuinely don't believe he's a bigot or a racist. There are people who voted for him because they do believe it but don't consider it as bad as portrayed by the media. I think varying kinds of common ground can be found with those people.

There are a significant number of people who voted for him because they actively enjoy the hate he's spreading. Those people can go **** themselves.

Penn

I'm starting to think that if Trump concedes, tells his supporters to accept Biden as president and commits to a fully peaceful and productive transition period... f*ck it... give him the Nobel Peace Prize!

I think he’ll concede over coming days. The party will be putting pressure on him, not least so he doesn't compromise these Senate run-offs in Georgia

And I think his family will too, so that they can start to collectively plan their 2024 strategy, whether that is Donald or Ivanka.

omega man

funnydoggy wrote: »

The secret service are going to have their work cut out for them with the way some of the Trumpheads are talking. I wonder is most of it just hot air though.

They’ll calm down sooner or later when it dawns on them that Biden isn’t a communist.

funnydoggy

Penn wrote: »

I'm starting to think that if Trump concedes, tells his supporters to accept Biden as president and commits to a fully peaceful and productive transition period... f*ck it... give him the Nobel Peace Prize!

QAnon would probably say he's been swapped with a body double, while the real Trump gets to work full time behind the scenes to fight the deep state & the hollywood paedo cabal.

road_high

omega man wrote: »

Boris could be in a tricky spot having pinned UK post brexit hopes on a trump deal.
Apparently Obama administration staff had/have a very poor opinion of him.

He’s painted himself into an awkward corner. I fully expect the U.K. and BoJo to pivot away from Trumpism probably back more towards a May middle ground.
This is what happens when you bet the house on one horse and it loses (badly). There will be no “amazing” U.K. USA trade deal anytime soon so expect a lot of coming back down to earth re brexit and Europe. Biden will be quick to rebuild relations with France and Germany and that will be his immediate priority

jill_valentine

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Will have to disagree, you cant tarnish over 70million people with the one brush, they had reasons why they voted trump and its not because they are all fascists racists etc.

There is no meaningful distinction to make between "Oh, they wanted to actively hurt x people" vs "They would have facilitated the hurting of those people". They voted for a would-be fascist. That's a decision they are responsible for.

They found it funny when he mocked the disabled, or didn't mind it. They loved when he deliberately let people die because they were likely blue voters, or at least didn't mind it. They enjoyed his characterisation of immigrants, the deliberate separation of families, the lies about Muslims on 9/11, the lies about doctors getting paid extra for dead Covid patients, the way he talks about women and his longstanding reputation for abusing them, his sabotage of the USPS for his own ends, installation of profoundly compromised SC judges, innuendo about "second amendment people" solving his problems for him, his constant racist dogwhistling and his gladhanding of people who identify themselves as white supremacists - or least didn't mind it.

There is no way to not know what the modern GOP is now, only ways to pretend it's something else. That's a choice. They own that. It is not chest pumping to point out these people are not allies in waiting who just need to be brought around. It would be irrational to waste effort trying to court them, as Obama did. We saw what thanks he got for it from them.

There's room in the car if they want to come, but the car can't wait all day to suit them and they don't get to drive.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

I think he’ll concede over coming days. The party will be putting pressure on him, not least so he doesn't compromise these Senate run-offs in Georgia

And I think his family will too, so that they can start to collectively plan their 2024 strategy, whether that is Donald or Ivanka.

If he doesn't accept it, 2024 is off the table for his candidacy.

road_high

road_high wrote: »

He’s painted himself into an awkward corner. I fully expect the U.K. and BoJo to pivot away from Trumpism probably back more towards a May middle ground.
This is what happens when you bet the house on one horse and it loses (badly). There will be no “amazing” U.K. USA trade deal anytime soon so expect a lot of coming back down to earth re brexit and Europe. Biden will be quick to rebuild relations with France and Germany and that will be his immediate priority

And will have the secondary effect of making the EU bolder in its negotiation position with the UK

omega man

omega man wrote: »

They’ll calm down sooner or later when it dawns on them that Biden isn’t a communist.

Basically, they’re upset. Happens every 4 years one side or the other is unhappy about who won, they’ll bitch and moan and complain but on or before inauguration they’ll just get over it. They can shout about how he’s “not my president” all they want, when the cold fact sets in there’s nowhere to run from it.

Can only hope joe can turn following covid rules etc from a political thing to just a common sense thing.

road_high

funnydoggy wrote: »

The secret service are going to have their work cut out for them with the way some of the Trumpheads are talking. I wonder is most of it just hot air though.

I don’t think so. The immediate reaction had been extremely muted. The winning side very joyful. I’ve not seen any pro trump protests bar a few cracked pots outside a counting centre, mainly praying. Once the fizz goes out (which it already has) there is not going to be any widespread trouble

namloc1980

Deleted User wrote: »

I think he’ll concede over coming days. The party will be putting pressure on him, not least so he doesn't compromise these Senate run-offs in Georgia

And I think his family will too, so that they can start to collectively plan their 2024 strategy, whether that is Donald or Ivanka.

Ivanka knows which way the wind is blowing. Pointless holding out and they know they don't have any evidence of voter fraud. She's been very quiet the last few days and is looking to to the future unlike her two doofus brothers who are still banging on about conspiracy theories.

ILoveYourVibes

is_that_so wrote: »

If he doesn't accept it, 2024 is off the table for his candidacy.

I would not be so sure.

Lolle06

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Masks are only a band-aid. People should not be gathering in large groups in close proximity under any circumstances during a pandemic. Yes Biden has not orchestrated these gatherings but he has not done everything in his power to prevent them. IMO in his first speech after it became clear he was going to win, he should have appealed to his supporters not to gather in groups to celebrate, and when the first footage of such celebrations appeared, he should have called for it to stop.

Well, so far, Biden and his team were good role models of how to act in this pandemic (not holding large rallies, wearing masks, distancing etc.), he also held a presser on the COVID situation on the 5th (when did Trump mention COVID last?).

But he can’t police the people!

But mask- wearing is definitely important to reduce the risk of spreading. More so than social distancing.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

Quote:
A mnemonic that Chin-Hong likes is the “Three W’s to ward off COVID-19:” wearing a mask, washing your hands, and watching your distance.

“But of the three, the most important thing is wearing a mask,” he said. Compared to wearing a mask, cleaning your iPhone or wiping down your groceries are “just distractors.” There’s little evidence that fomites (contaminated surfaces) are a major source of transmission, whereas there is a lot of evidence of transmission through inhaled droplets, said Chin-Hong.

“You should always wear masks and socially distance,” said Rutherford. “I would be hesitant to try to parse it apart. But, yes, I think mask wearing is more important.”

omega man

omega man wrote: »

They’ll calm down sooner or later when it dawns on them that Biden isn’t a communist.

He is probably in more danger from BLM and the wokists when they realise that. Hopefully it's Biden that stays in power for the 4 years.

Will they riot again when they can't bend him to their will and how long will they remain peaceful. They have gotten away with burning down thousands of buildings without repercussions from the law or media. Joe might surprise them.

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

Ivanka knows which way the wind is blowing. Pointless holding out and they know they don't have any evidence of voter fraud. She's been very quiet the last few days and is looking to to the future unlike her two doofus brothers who are still banging on about conspiracy theories.

Even still I don’t think she’s liked enough by the US overall to elect her president tbh.

PropJoe10

Kidchameleon wrote: »

He gained 8 million voters since 2016 & there is still a path to voctory for him

Time to let it go now, Kiddo.

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

Ivanka knows which way the wind is blowing. Pointless holding out and they know they don't have any evidence of voter fraud. She's been very quiet the last few days and is looking to to the future unlike her two doofus brothers who are still banging on about conspiracy theories.

I agree. While her brothers just bang daddy’s drum, she’ll know when her father has calmed down enough such that she can start having the quiet word in his ear.