Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

Overheal

Rudy wasn't the only psychopath to short circuit when they learned Joe Biden would be their next President.

https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1325549895743320067?s=20

froog

so from what i've been reading, trumps lawsuits are just random isolated instances of mistakes and some fraud, obviously nowhere near anything required to overturn an entire election of 150 million votes.

however, he's creating doubt in the republican party and seems to be getting support from a lot in the party. the danger is if he gets enough GOP support, then conceivably the republican state legislature could send their own electors to vote for trump and then you have a genuine coup and a legitimate cause for civil war.

far fetched? hey, it's 2020.

cnocbui

WrenBoy wrote: »

Another improvement in the stock markets under the Trump presidency you say ?

Lame duck presidency. The stock market performance under Trump wasn't as good as under Obama.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/

Dr. Bre

Would love to go for a pint with Kenneth Copeland !

Quin_Dub

paw patrol wrote: »

there are a lot more accusation that what you listed - listing those 3 is a bit disingenuous as it's not the complete argument not even close.



as a special interest case we should mention that former heavy weight champion joe frazier voted for biden and he died in 2018.


I have seen enough to know there are holes in the election process whether it's material or not - that's for the court to decide not the media so best wait.


You state there is no evidence yet dismay the affidavits form eyewitnesses as pathetic? I don't get this...they've made an accusation and unlike some twitter hate allegation they actually put their names to it and are standing over it. That is of significance.



It's funny how some posters on this thread (not you tbf) will slag off trump over challenging a fair election yet champion the cause of any hard done -by challenger to some dictator they don't like on another thread. funny that. orange man bad and all that good stuff.

There really aren't any more tangible arguments than the above.

The "affidavits" are utterly laughable - "I saw a van with Biden/Harris written on the side outside the count centre opening ballots and writing on them then putting them in new envelopes and delivering them".

Setting aside how utterly ridiculous that is as an assertion to begin with , this "witness" didn't take a photo? Didn't find a Police Officer there and then? , Didn't call 911? , Didn't go round the front and mention this to the Snr People on site? Didn't tell ANYONE until several days later.

Somebody called "Joe Frazier" may indeed have voted , it might even have been someone pretending to be "THE" Joe Frazier . Someone called "Eamon De Velera" probably tried to vote last February too.


There will always be individual isolated examples of fraud and errors , but we are taking about a few dozen out of 150M+ votes cast , not the 70 or 80 thousand that Trump would need

Those examples are evidence that money needs to be spent on clearing up the Electoral Registers and tightening up on some f the checks and balances during the counts.

But none , absolutely NONE are valid reasons for not accepting the result and damaging peoples faith in the overall Electoral process.

Trump is refusing to allow the head of the GSA (General Services Administration) to begin the transition process , meaning that Biden can't get office space in Washington nor can his team get access to funding to start working on being ready for January 20th and beyond.

In the middle of a Pandemic that is orders of magnitude more dangerous to American society than literally a few dozen dodgy votes out of 150 million.

Inquitus

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Would love to go for a pint with Kenneth Copeland !

I like him justifying his need for a new Gulf Stream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoTJyFKlNOY&ab_channel=DoctrinalWatchdog

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

Rudy wasn't the only psychopath to short circuit when they learned Joe Biden would be their next President.

https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1325549895743320067?s=20

My God, "Short circuit" is true!!! Can almost see the wires in his brain frying

rossie1977

cnocbui wrote: »

Lame duck presidency. The stock market performance under Trump wasn't as good as under Obama.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/

That despite massive tax cuts for corporations under Trump who primarily used the funds to buy back stock

DeanAustin

rossie1977 wrote: »

That despite massive tax cuts for corporations under Trump who primarily used the funds to buy back stock

You can’t compare like that. When Obama took office, the market was on its knees. When Trump took office, the market had been growing for 6 years. It was a lot harder to keep that growth going than to achieve it from where Obama started.

And the tax cut undoubtedly helped in terms of buybacks but look at companies like Amazon and Workday who don’t buy back their own stock. They’ve seen share prices rise too.

nolivesmatter

Overheal wrote: »

Rudy wasn't the only psychopath to short circuit when they learned Joe Biden would be their next President.

https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1325549895743320067?s=20

The cringe level is off the charts there. Ugh.

one armed dwarf

drogon. wrote: »

Well I don't think anyone said Russia hacked the election, they were accused of hacking the DNC and allegation was towards Russian misinformation relating to the election.

Which isn't even something that Trump and his acolytes dispute, nor Trump's own intelligence service.

Quin_Dub

DeanAustin wrote: »

You can’t compare like that. When Obama took office, the market was on its knees. When Trump took office, the market had been growing for 6 years. It was a lot harder to keep that growth going than to achieve it from where Obama started.

And the tax cut undoubtedly helped in terms of buybacks but look at companies like Amazon and Workday who don’t buy back their own stock. They’ve seen share prices rise too.

OK - So compare him to any President in the last 100 years - You can see all the data here

Trumps stock market gains are average at best - Not the worst that's true , but also nowhere near the best.

Him touting "I built the greatest economy in History" is absolute tripe.

He did "ok" , that's all.

Nothing to be ashamed about , but really not great either.

Claiming that Trump was "great" for the economy just isn't true - He was bang average.

DeanAustin

cnocbui wrote: »

Lame duck presidency. The stock market performance under Trump wasn't as good as under Obama.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/

That chart shows growth rather than actual performance in the Dow index. For a start, the Dow index only contains 30 companies. The S&P is a better marker because it contains 500 companies.

Also Obama came from an extremely low base. The market was on its knees when he took charge and had sunk. Trump took over when the market had grown for 6 years and continued to see it grow to record levels. It's withstood a pandemic. You may not like Trump, I don't, but the market performance under his Presidency has been at least as strong, I'd argue stronger all things considered, than it was under Obama.

DeanAustin

Quin_Dub wrote: »

OK - So compare him to any President in the last 100 years - You can see all the data here

Trumps stock market gains are average at best - Not the worst that's true , but also nowhere near the best.

Him touting "I built the greatest economy in History" is absolute tripe.

He did "ok" , that's all.

Nothing to be ashamed about , but really not great either.

Claiming that Trump was "great" for the economy just isn't true - He was bang average.

He did better than ok.

When he took charge, the Dow was at 19,700 points. Today it's at 29,500 points. Having inherited a market that had boomed for 6 years, he's kept it booming through a pandemic. That's the Dow which isn't the best index because of its size (30 companies).

Look at the S&P. It's at over 3,600 points today. When he came in, it was at around 2,200 which was the highest on record to that point and had been growing for 6 years.

You may not like Trump but the market has performed incredibly well under his Presidency. You could argue he was just in the right place at the right time (low interest rates being one driver) but you also have to say that his policies (tax cuts) helped drive that growth too.

Non solum non ambulabit

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

I think the sums up Trumps reign.

The President of the United States legal team holding a press conference in a parking lot in an industrial estate next to an adult entertainment store.


:D:D

Only the best people.

vojiwox

The story that just keeps on giving.

https://twitter.com/liamstack/status/1325819848635584516?

cnocbui

Trump 'bought' economic performance through massive government debt. Any idiot can do that, but there is nothing whatsoever commendable about it. It's an economic mirage, not a miracle.

Quin_Dub

DeanAustin wrote: »

He did better than ok.

When he took charge, the Dow was at 19,700 points. Today it's at 29,500 points. Having inherited a market that had boomed for 6 years, he's kept it booming through a pandemic. That's the Dow which isn't the best index because of its size (30 companies).

Look at the S&P. It's at over 3,600 points today. When he came in, it was at around 2,200 which was the highest on record to that point and had been growing for 6 years.

You may not like Trump but the market has performed incredibly well under his Presidency. You could argue he was just in the right place at the right time (low interest rates being one driver) but you also have to say that his policies (tax cuts) helped drive that growth too.

We're arguing semantics now.

The question is , is Trumps claim to have "built the greatest economy in History of the world" fair or accurate.

The resounding answer to that is categorically no.

We can argue the minutiae of "how" great it was , but it categorically was not the greatest or even close to that.

On a Percentage basis , many other Presidents have overseen greater/faster growth , added more jobs etc. etc. etc.

He did not do a terrible job on the economy - Although with or without Covid a major crash was coming to his economy due to him hollowing out the tax base. But it wasn't "The Greatest" or even close.

And indeed , given that he talked about "the World" in his hyperbole , a multitude of other countries grew faster than the US in the same time period.

BorneTobyWilde

The votes for the most part were counted correctly, but human errors would have occurred. But the issue they should be arguing about is the use of mail in ballots, and the distribution of millions of those ballots to people who didn't request them. States pumped them out to anyone in system who was a registered voter, regardless of fact they don't vote, and haven't ever voted, or haven't voted in many many years.
It was too easy for one person to get their hands on multiple ballots that no one wanted, and then use them, even if it meant copying a family members signature, or simply requesting them to sign it as they couldn't care less.
The one person in family that was ever bothered to vote, got 5 ballots signed up, and dropped them off.

francois

Overheal wrote: »

Rudy wasn't the only psychopath to short circuit when they learned Joe Biden would be their next President.

https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1325549895743320067?s=20

That's genuinely frightening

Smee_Again

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The votes for the most part were counted correctly, but human errors would have occurred. But the issue they should be arguing about is the use of mail in ballots, and the distribution of millions of those ballots to people who didn't request them. States pumped them out to anyone in system who was a registered voter, regardless of fact they don't vote, and haven't ever voted, or haven't voted in many many years.
It was too easy for one person to get their hands on multiple ballots that no one wanted, and then use them, even if it meant copying a family members signature, or simply requesting them to sign it as they couldn't care less.
The one person in family that was ever bothered to vote, got 5 ballots signed up, and dropped them off.

Which states posted out ballots to all it's registered voters?

Graham

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The one person in family that was ever bothered to vote, got 5 ballots signed up, and dropped them off.

Are you still trotting out this fairy story.

Have you managed to answer the question why this would benefit one party over another? Wasn't it Trump who suggested to his supporters they might use multiple votes?

Movementarian

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The votes for the most part were counted correctly, but human errors would have occurred. But the issue they should be arguing about is the use of mail in ballots, and the distribution of millions of those ballots to people who didn't request them. States pumped them out to anyone in system who was a registered voter, regardless of fact they don't vote, and haven't ever voted, or haven't voted in many many years.
It was too easy for one person to get their hands on multiple ballots that no one wanted, and then use them, even if it meant copying a family members signature, or simply requesting them to sign it as they couldn't care less.
The one person in family that was ever bothered to vote, got 5 ballots signed up, and dropped them off.

You keep saying this in multiple threads but again as has been pointed out to you multiple times, there is no evidence for this and its your personal opinion or hearsay.

Its the Trump phenomenon, just because you would do something means someone else must have done it or would do it. Stop saying these things like they are facts, Trump himself has voted by mail multiple times in the past by his own admission but thats fine.

The Raging Bile Duct

I think people forget that if you say something enough times, it becomes true...

cnocbui

Overheal wrote: »

Rudy wasn't the only psychopath to short circuit when they learned Joe Biden would be their next President.

https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1325549895743320067?s=20

That is actually hard to believe.

MeMen2_MoRi_

A small sample size of fraud being caught by the system..

"State Supported Living Centers serve people with intellectual and developmental disabilities. Brunner submitted voter registration applications for 67 residents without their signature or effective consent, while purporting to act as their agent. Under Texas law, only a parent, spouse or child who is a qualified voter of the county may act as an agent in registering a person to vote, after being appointed to do so by that person. None of the SSLC patients gave effective consent to be registered, and a number of them have been declared totally mentally incapacitated by a court, thereby making them ineligible to vote in Texas."

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/limestone-county-social-worker-charged-134-felony-counts-involving-election-fraud

owlbethere

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The votes for the most part were counted correctly, but human errors would have occurred. But the issue they should be arguing about is the use of mail in ballots, and the distribution of millions of those ballots to people who didn't request them. States pumped them out to anyone in system who was a registered voter, regardless of fact they don't vote, and haven't ever voted, or haven't voted in many many years.
It was too easy for one person to get their hands on multiple ballots that no one wanted, and then use them, even if it meant copying a family members signature, or simply requesting them to sign it as they couldn't care less.
The one person in family that was ever bothered to vote, got 5 ballots signed up, and dropped them off.

We have something similar with polling cards sent out to everyone on the electoral register whether they vote or not. I know people who don't vote but they are on the register. The same thing could easily happen here. I know we are asked to bring proof of who you are to the polling station but I was never asked for proof, just my name and they find me on the list and strike me off.

I know 2 households containing older men. Brothers in each household. They could easily use each others polling cards and votes if they so wished. One could appear in the morning with his card and go again in the even with his brothers card if he wanted and they all look the same too so they would be able to pass it off if they wanted too. I'd say they couldn't be bothered doing that though. To much hassle. They could if they wanted to.

DeanAustin

cnocbui wrote: »

Trump 'bought' economic performance through massive government debt. Any idiot can do that, but there is nothing whatsoever commendable about it. It's an economic mirage, not a miracle.

That's not really fair. When he came into office, the national debt was $19.5tn. At the end of 2019, it was $22.7tn. It will go up massively in 2020 but it's the same for every country because of the pandemic.

By comparison, Obama came in in 2008. The National Debt was $10tn. It was almost doubled (at $19.5tn) when he left office in 2016. So Trump increased it by about 15% while Obama increased it by around 100%.

Of course, there are other contextual factors around that but they're the naked facts.

Trump helped drive the stock market growth with the corporation tax cut that he promised and delivered and also by making it easier to do business for firms through de-regulation. He deserves some credit for that if you believe that stock market growth is a good thing.

briany

What's been especially interesting to watch is watching the 'enlightened centrist' reaction to the vote, because such so-called people position themselves as common-sense people who are simply telling you what an increasingly left-leaning media doesn't want you to hear. That they're out in the real world, and not given to the hysteria of the 'woke left'.

They have to do all that, and they have to basically agree with Rudy Giuliani's non-sensical jabbering and Trump's classic, "I WON, BY A LOT" tweet. That's the hardest circle to square since they started trying to figure out how to reconcile the theory of relativity with quantum theory.

And judging by the reaction, they aren't really as centrist as they originally made out. But we knew that already.

drogon.

I see big fraud :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/yotankerrz/status/1325783419578683397?s=21