Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

DrumSteve

perrito caliente wrote: »

Absolutely. Even some of the people I've spoken to who loathed Trump think it's a little off with the voting. Why did they shutter off the windows? What's with the bin bags? Could be a reasonable explanation but the people concerned will have to explain what they were doing so we can have full transparency.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Why did they make it so close, why not give themselves a landslide as was expected?

Why not "fix" it so they got all three positions of power?

How did they "fix" it so that Biden won the presidency but the Republicans kept the senate?

You really haven't thought this through have you?

NovemberWren wrote: »

the carfuffle of these court cases, may be to try to introduce a 'chip' actually in the person!?!

is the odd thing here, the division of 'districts' at the polling stations? and may affect the delivery of local services depending on the candidate those districts mainly vote for? i.e. some districts - minimal services.

here, they give you your [numbered] ballot. but they have the next number ballot and therefore know your ballot; and so can know how any person voted. ?

NaFirinne wrote: »

I do think it's very suspect that Joe Biden actually recieved 75+ million legal votes.

I do think that Trump is right to question votes that are suspect and to ensure that the vote count has indeed been carried out fairly and accurately.

There is a lot of alleged iregulaties in a number of states that should be investigated

If everything is proven to be above board then Trump should concede to Biden.

**** me if I have to read one more post about how the thing was rigged or potentially rigged ill lose my mind.

The gigantic orange twat literally came out previously explaining his whole plan to rat**** the election. He said he could only lose if it rigged. He's literally telling you his play.... And people are like, "maybe there is some truth there?"

****in hell, if you belive any crap that come out of that ***** mouth, you need help.

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It would be blindingly obvious if they did that, at the moment it's just obvious.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/it-defies-logic-scientist-finds-telltale-signs-election-fraud-after-analyzing-mail-ballot

Are there any sites other than conspiracy theory and similar grifter sites claiming fraud?

There is fox I suppose, but they might still be a bit out of favor after calling states early for Biden.

Tell me how

perrito caliente wrote: »

Absolutely. Even some of the people I've spoken to who loathed Trump think it's a little off with the voting. Why did they shutter off the windows? What's with the bin bags? Could be a reasonable explanation but the people concerned will have to explain what they were doing so we can have full transparency.

It's already been explained.

But Lawrence Garcia, an attorney for the City of Detroit, said that the windows were partially blocked because of concern voter information could be wrongfully revealed to the public. Those concerns were compounded by the fact that protesters standing outside the ballot-counting area were taking photographs and recording video.

They weren't ballots, they were camera equipment.

Friday, conspiracy theories began spreading among protesters that ballots were being brought into the election center in Maricopa County. These claims are false, and the boxes being carried at the election center contained camera equipment used by media stations, according to reporters on the scene.

What exactly do you mean when you say 'full transparency' when so many supporters of Trump decried any investigation in to his 'engagements' with Russians in 2016?

km991148

It's conspiracy theory stuff really. It has no place on the election thread.


I mean that in all sincerity.. at what point do we draw a line under it. It is literally a theory on how 'they' conspired against Trump. There is no proof of anything beyond the normal statistically irrelevant fraud that happens every election.

jam_mac_jam

If you are going to commit voter fraud the very last place it would be is the polling station. All the counters are democrat and corrupt enough to do this. All the local clerks and people overseeing it are going to risk going to prison.

It's almost laughable if it wasn't so stupid. Are people really that stupid?

froog

some people still haven't come to terms with trump being a one term loser.

sad!

MeMen2_MoRi_

Foxtrol wrote: »

And plenty of moderates also held their seats where they likely wouldn't have if they were progressive candidates. I don't see how going more progressive would help them have kept Oklahoma, Southern Florida, or Iowa.

There is a lot of finger pointing going on. Sure there are likely justified complaints about how some campaigns were run but similarly you can't ignore how socialism, defund the police etc etc hurt candidates in red or purple districts.

I think it is overconfident to believe a blue wave was likely this year. When you take into account headwinds it was a pipedream that set expectations way too high.

On progressiveness, in the recent history the party has not been progressive so I need to see evidence of this outside of heavily blue areas for me to believe it. Claims otherwise dont seem in any way justified, as when each time the wider party has had that option they have not gone for it.

With regards your your first paragraph..

https://twitter.com/dsam4a/status/1325867777492594691?s=19

I agree there seems to be a whole lot of finger pointing and its at the progessives, like they're comunnists anti Christ or something.

Socialism, defund the police? Why not just M4A, DTP doesn't have to be anywhere near your campaigning stuff

The whole defund the police message has been lost it needs to be binned, it needs a re think without getting away from the ideals of it, more training, police being police and not a one shoe fits all for the community it serves.

feargale

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Whadd'ya mean wash my hands?

WHADD'YA MEAN WASH MY HANDS OF IT?

Movementarian

perrito caliente wrote: »

Absolutely. Even some of the people I've spoken to who loathed Trump think it's a little off with the voting. Why did they shutter off the windows? What's with the bin bags? Could be a reasonable explanation but the people concerned will have to explain what they were doing so we can have full transparency.

Blows my mind that people never do any form of their own research before posting or going along with things. A cursory search for either of those things would show you they are debunked.

The covering up windows was one count centre which was being filmed from INSIDE the count centre. Filmed by media representitives standing there watching the poll workers, as the camera pans across you can see other poll watchers standing there which included Democrats and Republicans, the legally permitted people allowed inside (Trump campaign even admitted this in court). The windows were being covered to not intimidate the poll workers from the large Trump crowd gathering OUTSIDE. If that wasn"t enough, the polls are being counted on livestream!!!!!

The black bag with ballots was proven wrong by the Republican local counsel who confirmed they were not legitimate ballots because they had no official barcode.

Do yourself a favour and dont believe the first thing you read, research then form your own opinion.

namloc1980

Trump flagged for years that he would claim the election was rigged if he lost. He claimed the Republican primary process was rigged in 2016 and he won that process! He claimed the 2016 election was rigged and 3m illegal votes were cast. He even set up a commission to investigate this and it turned up NADA...ZERO. He even claimed years ago that the Emmy's were rigged against him because he didn't win with the Apprentice.

He cannot accept defeat in any way. His entire life shows this. If he loses he says it's because the process was rigged against him. So if the choice is between a vast multi-level conspiracy to rig the election across multiple states versus a narcissist who cannot accept defeat - logical thinking will bring you to one conclusion: the baby in the White House is a loser and can't accept it.

km991148

Movementarian wrote: »

Blows my mind that people never do any form of their own research before posting or going along with things. A cursory search for either of those things would show you they are debunked.

The covering up windows was one count centre which was being filmed from INSIDE the count centre. Filmed by media representitives standing there watching the poll workers, as the camera pans across you can see other poll watchers standing there which included Democrats and Republicans, the legally permitted people allowed inside (Trump campaign even admitted this in court). The windows were being covered to not intimidate the poll workers from the large Trump crowd gathering OUTSIDE. If that wasn"t enough, the polls are being counted on livestream!!!!!

The black bag with ballots was proven wrong by the Republican local counsel who confirmed they were not legitimate ballots because they had no official barcode.

Do yourself a favour and dont believe the first thing you read, research then form your own opinion.

People think they DO do research. They search something on Google and get fed back what Google wants them to see because if they click on something Google get paid.

People aren't necessarily stupid, they are just being played at a level higher than they even know about.

Movementarian

NaFirinne wrote: »

I do think it's very suspect that Joe Biden actually recieved 75+ million legal votes.

I do think that Trump is right to question votes that are suspect and to ensure that the vote count has indeed been carried out fairly and accurately.

There is a lot of alleged iregulaties in a number of states that should be investigated

If everything is proven to be above board then Trump should concede to Biden.

Scanning...scanning...nope nothing of concrete evidence there...Trump fan detected.

You 'feel' Biden didn't get the votes and thats enough to call the whole process into question. No evidence or anything concrete, just you feel it so you can dismiss 75 million plus people.

Jesus wept...the pure arrogance

Inquitus

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It would be blindingly obvious if they did that, at the moment it's just obvious.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/it-defies-logic-scientist-finds-telltale-signs-election-fraud-after-analyzing-mail-ballot

Zerohedge, which is a very questionable source quotes an anonymous data scientist, that's really proving nothing, lol!

MeMen2_MoRi_

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Trump got 4 million extra votes this time around so it wasn't going to be easy.

I'm not disputing they picked the right guy, that guy now after getting the back of the progessives needs to look to lay some of the ground work for others coming after him.

km991148

namloc1980 wrote: »

Trump flagged for years that he would claim the election was rigged if he lost. He claimed the Republican primary process was rigged in 2016 and he won that process! He claimed the 2016 election was rigged and 3m illegal votes were cast. He even set up a commission to investigate this and it turned up NADA...ZERO. He even claimed years ago that the Emmy's were rigged against him because he didn't win with the Apprentice.

He cannot accept defeat in any way. His entire life shows this. If he loses he says it's because the process was rigged against him. So if the choice is between a vast multi-level conspiracy to rig the election across multiple states versus a narcissist who cannot accept defeat - logical thinking will bring you to one conclusion: the baby in the White House is a loser and can't accept it.

Absolutely.

And this is the thing. IF he does have the personality disorders that matches his behaviour (and is verified by several psychologist, so I'm not just making stuff up here) then his mind really does not have the ability to accept this. His own mind will create fantasy after fantasy for him to believe as a protection mechanism.

This is why I absolutely guarantee that he will never just say he lost. When he does actually leave the WH it will be under a blaze if blame and gate for everyone and everything around.

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It would be blindingly obvious if they did that, at the moment it's just obvious.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/it-defies-logic-scientist-finds-telltale-signs-election-fraud-after-analyzing-mail-ballot

Jesus, that is an absolutely terrible piece of “analysis”. An idiot with minitab is still an idiot.

A deeper look at the data presented by the gullible idiot in the link actually shows exactly what happened. States that counted mail ballots after drift blue, whereas Florida and others did not as mail ins were counted first

namloc1980

Republican senate candidates are turning on themselves now in Georgia. The Secretary of State there is a Republican, the election commission is run by republicans. I reckon they're just very annoyed that so many black people in Atlanta turned out to vote.

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Movementarian

Inquitus wrote: »

Zerohedge, which is a very questionable source quotes an anonymous data scientist, that's really proving nothing, lol!

Don't you see!! Its a cunning scheme the libtard Dems have come up with to only narrowly scrape states within recount margins while losing senate and house seats and control!

And um...they in cahoots with their um..mortal enemies in the republican controlled leglisatures and councils in Georgia, Arizona and um..Pensylvania..where Biden is winning even though republicana control the count...um...

Actually wait now that I think about it....that don't make no sense at all!!!

NovemberWren

DrumSteve wrote: »

**** me if I have to read one more post about how the thing was rigged or potentially rigged ill lose my mind.

The gigantic orange twat literally came out previously explaining his whole plan to rat**** the election. He said he could only lose if it rigged. He's literally telling you his play.... And people are like, "maybe there is some truth there?"

****in hell, if you belive any crap that come out of that ***** mouth, you need help.

Trump looked really sincere at that later press conference. and he said something about 'shenanigans'. he may be right?

as far as I know, "Democrats changed the 'Rules'", they "have added to or subtracted to the Law" - basically, Democrats changed the [postal-ballot] Rules, - 20 days before the Election.

these 'Rules' were about postal ballots. and probably Covid was cited in the changing.

Curious_Case

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Jesus, that is an absolutely terrible piece of “analysis”. An idiot with minitab is still an idiot.

A deeper look at the data presented by the gullible idiot in the link actually shows exactly what happened. States that counted mail ballots after drift blue, whereas Florida and others did not as mail ins were counted first

Precisely, I'm sure no Trump supporter requires an introduction to the concept known as Occam's Razor.

Simplest Explanation:

They knew the mail-ins would favour Biden BECAUSE Trump told his supporters to vote in person.

They needed some kind of justification for blocking the inclusion of mail-ins so they brain washed people into thinking there was something dodgy about them.

Smee_Again

namloc1980 wrote: »

Republican senate candidates are turning on themselves now in Georgia. The Secretary of State there is a Republican, the election commission is run by republicans. I reckon they're just very annoyed that so many black people in Atlanta turned out to vote.

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Not purging that many black, poor and minority voters from the register probably is a sackable offence in the Republican Party so this would be on brand for them.

Foxtrol

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

With regards your your first paragraph..

https://twitter.com/dsam4a/status/1325867777492594691?s=19

Standard problem in that tweet making huge leaps and confusing correlation vs causation.

You'd rightly question me if I claimed Biden won the dem primary because he was against M4A and Bernie was for it. You're doing the same here, there is so much more that goes into who wins or loses, especially when you're talking about completely different districts.

I agree there seems to be a whole lot of finger pointing and its at the progessives, like they're comunnists anti Christ or something.

Stop playing the victim. Progressives have been pointing plenty of fingers the last few days, you just shared a post pointing fingers.

Everyone is at it and it needs to stop.

Socialism, defund the police? Why not just M4A, DTP doesn't have to be anywhere near your campaigning stuff

Because republican attack ads hit you on what most crazy sh1t your party says and their most offensive people. I'm in a heavily blue state and even I've faced months of attack ads about 'socialism', 'jobs not mobs', 'far left agenda'. Like GOP candidates had to waste their time distancing themselves from Trump, moderate Dem candidates have to waste time distancing themselves from stuff 'the squad' come out with.

extra gravy

NovemberWren wrote: »

Trump sincere

These two words don't belong in the same sentence.

Tony EH

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yeah

I got as far as

"The following information is provided via an anonymous data scientist and another anonymous individual"

You got that far?

I only made it as far as www.zerohedge.com and tuned out cos my "loadabollocks meter" started buzzing.

zero fucking hedge...ha ha. :pac:

one armed dwarf

NovemberWren wrote: »

Trump looked really sincere at that later press conference. and he said something about 'shenanigans'. he may be right?

No he didn't, Trump looked like he was going to cry at that press conference. Like he could not believe what was happening to him.

He always does this. The emmys were 'rigged' against him, the republican nomination was 'rigged' against him (which he won!), 2016 was rigged etc.

It's his safeguard to never having to admit defeat that gullible people seem happy to fall for if it means not having to admit that they got conned by a certified lunatic.

It is really easy to just apply occams razor to his claims and see how little merit they actually have.

Kermit.de.frog

Tony EH wrote: »

You got that far?

I only made it as far as www.zerohedge.com and tuned out cos my "loadabollocks meter" started buzzing.

zero fucking hedge...ha ha. :pac:

Buy gold!

DrumSteve

NovemberWren wrote: »

Trump looked really sincere at that later press conference. and he said something about 'shenanigans'. he may be right?

as far as I know, "Democrats changed the 'Rules'", they "have added to or subtracted to the Law" - basically, Democrats changed the [postal-ballot] Rules, - 20 days before the Election.

these 'Rules' were about postal ballots. and probably Covid was cited in the changing.

Please... Please tell me your joking. Please. This is a wind up. Isn't it.

J. Marston

omega man wrote: »

John King back on the screen now if you missed your fix!!

Done with CNN and all American news networks now for another four years. The novelty was fun for a few days but I don't know how Americans watch that shíte for information.

They are to news what WWE is to sports.

gmisk

namloc1980 wrote: »

Republican senate candidates are turning on themselves now in Georgia. The Secretary of State there is a Republican, the election commission is run by republicans. I reckon they're just very annoyed that so many black people in Atlanta turned out to vote.

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Yep your right.
That's more the issue, voter suppression pure and simple.

Stacy Abrams has done stirling work registering people to vote in Georgia.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/06/us/elections/stacey-abrams-draws-credit-and-praise-as-biden-inches-ahead-in-georgia.html

Her race to be governor was stolen from her if you look at the facts in that race as well. She lost extremely narrowly.
The controversy tab is a wild ride!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Georgia_gubernatorial_election
Her competitor was overseeing the election....
He made hundreds of thousands ineligible to vote at short notice (vast majority minorities) and delayed tens of thousands of other applications to vote.
Seriously dodgy.

froog

trump campaign presser soon, should be fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wf3wUC9EBs&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=RightSideBroadcastingNetwork