Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

Padre_Pio

nullzero wrote: »

Not really.

You're typically remembered for your most memorable actions.

Nah, sure look at all the politicians who are forced to resign over some gaffe. Doesn't matter how illustrious your career, once you f*ck up all credibility goes out the window.

You become the "wasn't he the lad who did X" politician, and you lose your clout.

nullzero

omega man wrote: »

I could be wrong but I don’t believe you can run for president if you have a criminal record.

What was it they said about James Brown?
He could've run for president but he hadn't broken enough laws.

ohnonotgmail

is_that_so wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/18/hillary-clinton-shattered-book-obama-election-loss

yeah that doesnt really say what you said, now does it?

Overheal

nullzero wrote: »

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

DubInMeath wrote: »

They claimed that there was Russian interference, which was investigated.
The only person claiming fraud was trump because he lost the popular vote.

Did they find anything after the investigation?

Of course not.

And it was the very definition of a conspiracy theory.

Both sides of the political divide in America are full to the brim with crackpots with insane worldviews. It's worrying how willingly people in this country engage with it all.

Nullzero, you should redo your research.

U.S. v. Roger Jason Stone, Jr. (1:19-cr-18, District of Columbia)

Roger Jason Stone, Jr., 66, of Fort Lauderdale, Florida, was arrested in Fort Lauderdale on Jan. 25, 2019, following an indictment by a federal grand jury on Jan. 24, 2019, in the District of Columbia. The indictment, which was unsealed upon arrest, contains seven counts: one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements, and one count of witness tampering.


U.S. v. Michael Cohen (1:18-cr-850, Southern District of New York)

Michael Cohen of New York, New York, pleaded guilty on Nov. 29, 2018, to making false statements to the U.S. Congress in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1001 (a)(2). Cohen was sentenced on December 12, 2018, to serve two months in prison and pay a $50,000 fine.



U.S. v. Paul J. Manafort, Jr. (1:17-cr-201, District of Columbia)

Paul J. Manafort, Jr., of Alexandria, Va., pleaded guilty on September 14, 2018, to a superseding criminal information filed today in the District of Columbia, which includes conspiracy against the United States (conspiracy to commit money laundering, tax fraud, failing to file Foreign Bank Account Reports and Violating the Foreign Agents Registration Act, and lying and misrepresenting to the Department of Justice) and conspiracy to obstruct justice (witness tampering). On March 13, 2019, Manafort was sentenced to serve 73 months in prison, with 30 months to run concurrent with his sentence in the Eastern District of Virginia.


U.S. v. Viktor Borisovich Netyksho, et al (1:18-cr-215, District of Columbia)

A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned an indictment on July 13, 2018, against 12 Russian nationals for their alleged roles in computer hacking conspiracies aimed at interfering in the 2016 U.S. elections. The indictment charges 11 of the defendants with conspiracy to commit computer crimes, eight counts of aggravated identity theft, and conspiracy to launder money. Two defendants are charged with a separate conspiracy to commit computer crimes.


U.S. v. Konstantin Kilimnik (1:17-cr-201, District of Columbia)

A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned a third superseding indictment on June 8, 2018, against Konstantin Kilimnik, of Moscow, Russia. Kilimnik is charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice and obstruction of justice.


U.S. v. Richard W. Gates III (1:17-cr-201, District of Columbia)

Richard W. Gates III of Richmond, Va., pleaded guilty on Feb. 23, 2018, to a superseding criminal information that includes: count one of the indictment, which charges conspiracy against the United States, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 371 (which includes conspiracy to violate 26 U.S.C. 7206(1), 31 U.S.C. 5312 and 5322(b), and 22 U.S.C. 612, 618(a)(1), and 618(a)(2)), and a charge of making false statements to the Special Counsel’s Office and FBI agents, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1001.


U.S. v. Paul J. Manafort, Jr., and Richard W. Gates III (1:18-cr-83, Eastern District of Virginia)

Paul J. Manafort, Jr., of Alexandria, Va., and Richard W. Gates III, of Richmond, Va., were indicted by a federal grand jury on Feb. 22, 2018, in the Eastern District of Virginia. The indictment contains 32 counts: 16 counts related to false individual income tax returns, seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts, five counts of bank fraud conspiracy, and four counts of bank fraud. On March 1, 2018, the court granted a motion to dismiss without prejudice the charges against Gates, following his guilty plea in a related case in the District of Columbia (1:17-cr-201). On Aug. 21, 2018, a federal jury found Manafort guilty on eight counts: counts 1-5, subscribing to a false individual income tax return for tax years 2010-2014; count 12, failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts for year 2012; count 25, bank fraud; and count 27, bank fraud. The court declared a mistrial on 10 counts (counts 11, 13-14, 24, 26, 28-32). As part of his plea agreement on Sept. 14, 2018, Manafort admitted his guilt of the remaining counts against him in this case. On March 7, 2019, Manafort was sentenced to 47 months in prison and ordered to pay a $50,000 fine.

U.S. v. Alex van der Zwaan (1:18-cr-31, District of Columbia)

Alex van der Zwaan, of London, pleaded guilty on Feb. 20, 2018, to making false statements to FBI agents, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1001. Van der Zwaan was sentenced on April 3, 2018, to serve 30 days in prison and pay a $20,000 fine.


U.S. v. Internet Research Agency, et al (1:18-cr-32, District of Columbia)

A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned an indictment on Feb. 16, 2018, against 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities accused of violating U.S. criminal laws in order to interfere with U.S. elections and political processes. The indictment charges all of the defendants with conspiracy to defraud the United States, three defendants with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and five defendants with aggravated identity theft.


U.S. v. Richard Pinedo, et al (1:18-cr-24, District of Columbia)

Richard Pinedo, of Santa Paula, Calif., pleaded guilty on Feb. 12, 2018, to identity fraud, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1028. On Oct. 10, 2018, Pinedo was sentenced to serve six months in prison, followed by six months of home confinement, and ordered to complete 100 hours of community service.


U.S. v. Michael T. Flynn (1:17-cr-232, District of Columbia)

Lieutenant General Michael T. Flynn (Ret.), of Alexandria, Va., pleaded guilty on Dec. 1, 2017, to making false statements to FBI agents, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1001.


U.S. v. George Papadopoulos (1:17-cr-182, District of Columbia)

George Papadopoulos, of Chicago, Illinois, pleaded guilty on Oct. 5, 2017, to making false statements to FBI agents, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1001. The case was unsealed on Oct. 30, 2017. On Sept. 7, 2018, Papadopoulos was sentenced to serve 14 days in prison, pay a $9,500 fine, and complete 200 hours of community service.


Source: https://www.justice.gov/sco

ohnonotgmail

omega man wrote: »

I could be wrong but I don’t believe you can run for president if you have a criminal record.

There are only 3 requirements to run for president. Not having a criminal record is not one of them.

weisses

is_that_so wrote: »

Obama called her and told her not to but she did want to.

Is that so

briany

tjdaly wrote: »

He is a glorious man. Even the people who don't exactly love him still think he is funny as hell. He represents the best and worst of America all in one gloriously neat and absurd package. Plus he shot down Covid easily and yanks love a gunslinger.

is_that_so

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

yeah that doesnt really say what you said, now does it?

The persuading part and the call yes it does. Anyway I've done your research for you but you still seem intent on arguing black is off-white so I'll leave you to it!

ExMachina1000

nullzero wrote: »

Of course not.

And it was the very definition of a conspiracy theory.

Both sides of the political divide in America are full to the brim with crackpots with insane worldviews. It's worrying how willingly people in this country engage with it all.

Widespread voter suppression. Yet Biden goes on to get the highest votes of any candidate in Us history.

Vote suppression investigators should join the blue wave pollsters in the dole queue. The 538 or 358 crowd must be one of the worst group of hacks going

Funkfield

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

all forgotten now. he has ruined his legacy. he could have been a well like elder statesman of american politics but that will never happen now.

"All political careers end in failure"
- Enoch Powell

Overheal

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

The 538 or 358 crowd must be one of the worst group of hacks going

hows that?

ohnonotgmail

Funkfield wrote: »

"All political careers end in failure"
- Enoch Powell

few quite as spectacularly as Rudy

nullzero

nullzero wrote: »

Well its not really forgotten.

It may not matter to you but it does to other people.
The whole world doesn't agree with you believe it or not.

In fairness, his attempt to fix an election on Trump's behalf through all manners of corruption will be at the foremost of most people's minds when he's remembered in history.

ExMachina1000

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Did they find anything after the investigation?

You haven't read the Mueller report here ya go

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/full-mueller-report-pdf/index.html
(Easier to read than having to download the whole report but you can also do so if you wish, note some of it is redacted due to ongoing investigation.)

Some links to the findings.

https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/

And a media piece on them.
https://time.com/5610317/mueller-report-myths-breakdown/

Almost forgot this: https://www.justice.gov/sco

As for trump's claim of voter fraud in the 2016 election because he didn't win the popular vote, he disbanded the commission set up to investigate his claims because they couldn't find any and he had a tantrum. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

https://apnews.com/article/f5f6a73b2af546ee97816bb35e82c18d

astrofool

It's funny that "billionaire" donny trump has now gone full on grifter to drain his supporters bank accounts.

Does anyone supporting him have more than 1 brain cell to rub together?

briany

DubInMeath wrote: »

You haven't read the Muller report here ya go

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/full-mueller-report-pdf/index.html
(Easier to read than having to download the whole report but you can also do so if you wish, note some of it is redacted due to ongoing investigation.)

Some links to the findings.

https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/

And a media piece on them.
https://time.com/5610317/mueller-report-myths-breakdown/

As for trump's claim of voter fraud in the 2016 election because he didn't win the popular vote, he disbanded the commission set up to investigate his claims because they couldn't find any and he had a tantrum. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

https://apnews.com/article/f5f6a73b2af546ee97816bb35e82c18d

Yeah, well, you can prove anything with facts...

astrofool

astrofool wrote: »

It's funny that "billionaire" donny trump has now gone full on grifter to drain his supporters bank accounts.

Does anyone supporting him have more than 1 brain cell to rub together?

He's got a few outstanding loans coming due soon, needs all the help he can get.

briany

briany wrote: »

Yeah, well, you can prove anything with facts...

Not according to some of the trump supporters on here.

MeMen2_MoRi_

Signed affidavited being recanted after USPS IG investigates the claim (exposed by project Veritas) that there was fraud.. oops!

https://twitter.com/OversightDems/status/1326289047933816836?s=19

briany

DubInMeath wrote: »

Not according to some of the trump supporters on here.

It was a reference to this,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n-UGQcG3Jw

dasdog

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Signed affidavited being recanted after USPS IG investigates the claim (exposed by project Veritas) that there was fraud.. oops!

What a surprise. His go fund me has $134,981 and counting.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-richard-hopkins-the-erie-pa-whistleblower

nullzero

nullzero wrote: »

Of course not.

And it was the very definition of a conspiracy theory.

Both sides of the political divide in America are full to the brim with crackpots with insane worldviews. It's worrying how willingly people in this country engage with it all.

You might want to do some actual research into the Mueller report.

Any luck with the links to posts in this thread claiming that trump etc should be assassinated?

briany

dasdog wrote: »

What a surprise. His go fund me has $134,981 and counting.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-richard-hopkins-the-erie-pa-whistleblower

I, er, eh, would also like to make a claim of electoral fraud. My Gofundme is...

MeMen2_MoRi_

dasdog wrote: »

What a surprise. His go fund me has $134,981 and counting.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-richard-hopkins-the-erie-pa-whistleblower

Would he still get to keep the funds, even if no legal case is brought against him for lying?

Nevermind, says nothing about legal cases, all about losing his job and child support.

Another grifter!!

briany

briany wrote: »

It was a reference to this,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n-UGQcG3Jw

Ah never really liked him, but apt.

Computer Science Student

Does anyone think the election probably was rigged?

dinorebel

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Widespread voter suppression. Yet Biden goes on to get the highest votes of any candidate in Us history.

Vote suppression investigators should join the blue wave pollsters in the dole queue. The 538 or 358 crowd must be one of the worst group of hacks going

Maybe someones wife filled out the whole families ballots:cool:

MeMen2_MoRi_

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Would he still get to keep the funds, even if no legal case is brought against him for lying?

Nevermind, says nothing about legal cases, all about losing his job and child support.

Another grifter!!

If people report it to the site as a attempt at fraud and their review agrees, then no he doesn't get to keep the money.

Junkyard Tom

Kinda relieving information delivered via this poll.

ChikiChiki

Computer Science Student wrote: »

Does anyone think the election probably was rigged?

A bunch of people with **** for brains do.

It's a ruse by Trump for a last collection of funds before he is ousted.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.