Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

DrumSteve

joe40 wrote: »

Are then any examples of what you might call "nice people" who support Trump. His supporters seem very shouty and angry all the time.

No nice people, but definitely some "fine" people.

metaoblivia

The Biden team has created a page on their website for the transition and not once do they mention Trump by name, referring only to the "current administration" once: https://buildbackbetter.com/the-transition/

I think it's good to remember that Joe Biden has been in politics for a long time, which could be seen as a mark against him by some. But it also means he has a lot of connections in D.C. and it's reported that he's very well thought of, especially by civil servants. He's doing a good job of projecting calm and staying above the fray at the moment, but I bet some very interesting conversations are going on behind the scenes.

ohnonotgmail

sabat wrote: »

Well well, Georgia are having another look...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/nov/11/us-election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-kamala-harris-transition-supreme-court-obamacare-coronavirus-covid-live-updates

georgia were always doing a recount.

ohnonotgmail

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Surprised to see James Woods is such a Trump fan


https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1326311273735155714

woods has been like that since before the last election. He hates Hilary like you would not believe

joe40

Tell me how wrote: »

Watching the way people such as James Woods we vehemently insistent that this election was illegal, I reckon we are going to spend the rest of our lives seeing articles and documentaries being produced on 'the greatest conspiracy of the 21st century'.

The counting is going to be completed, Biden is going to win the relevant states, the electors will nominate him and he will be President.

But, the Trumpeteers will forever talk about mail in ballot fraud, lack of transparency and so on.

Some of them probably won't be too bothered that Trump lost they'll still have their meal ticket in talking about how the liberal media and the democrats stole this election.

Saw one comment on the above James Woods tweet that said when you see Fox News saying Biden won, it shows just how widespread the fix actually is, instead of them saying 'well actually, there probably isn't any evidence'

That's gas, fox news is actually in on the election fraud...

It seems quite common with certain people and their conspiracy theories. The more a particular theory is debunked just shows how deep the conspiracy is.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

sabat wrote: »

Well well, Georgia are having another look...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/nov/11/us-election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-kamala-harris-transition-supreme-court-obamacare-coronavirus-covid-live-updates

That was always on the cards.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Nothing surprising there at all , once the gap is less than 0.5% a recount occurs.

It will change nothing about the result , nor will it change the opinions of those that genuinely believe that there was Fraud.

A recount will happen , they'll probably find a few hundred ballots that were incorrectly applied or that should have been rejected for some technicality or other. Both candidates will gain/lose a few votes , but the result will not change.

The people that accept the result right now will see it for what it was - Largely a waste of time , but sure.. Go ahead.

Those that currently don't accept the result will see the handful of errors found as clear evidence of wholesale fraud -Which is exactly how Trump will describe them in his tweets.

They will view the final result as a cover-up and will believe that the "deep-state" are hiding the real scale of the fraud and only threw a few crumbs out to put the "sheeple" off the scent.

The result won't change and no one will have the mind changed.

Well said.

I think Trump is being undignified and embarrassing but I’m actually very, very okay with recounts happening and challenges being heard by courts. Let him. And let him and his most ardent followers whinge when they fail. Bring it, I say.

Fuzzyduzzy

The warhogs in the establishment (democrats /republicans) must be thrilled about this band getting back together. I'm not talking about one party here, I'm on about the US invading other countries under the guise of being the police force of the world and profiting from it.

Undeniably Trump has his flaws but a lot of people who hate him so much and voted against him rather than voting FOR Harris/Biden may look back fondly at 4 years without thousands of US troops losing their lives at the expense of millions of civilians in the Middle East or elsewhere.

Non solum non ambulabit

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Well said.

I think Trump is being undignified and embarrassing but I’m actually very, very okay with recounts happening and challenges being heard by courts. Let him. And let him and his most ardent followers whinge when they fail. Bring it, I say.

Agreed. But we all know it won't satisfy them in any way. Nothing will change their mind that the election was stolen. That is the sad part. We are dealing with children.

America as an institution is in big trouble and that is bad news for all of us. European countries be warned. We can't let it happen here.

Non solum non ambulabit

Fuzzyduzzy wrote: »

The warhogs in the establishment (democrats /republicans) must be thrilled about this band getting back together. I'm not talking about one party here, I'm on about the US invading other countries under the guise of being the police force of the world and profiting from it.

Undeniably Trump has his flaws but a lot of people who hate him so much and voted against him rather than voting FOR Harris/Biden may look back fondly at 4 years without thousands of US troops losing their lives at the expense of millions of civilians in the Middle East or elsewhere.

What imaginary war is this you are dreaming of? There is no one to fight.

Christy42

briany wrote: »

I don't think it's fair to say that everyone who voted for Donald Trump, and then some, is at the exact same level of unreasonable and crazy. Some may be dyed-in-the-wool conservatives, some may like that he's not a conventional politician, some may like his promises not to take the US into any new foreign wars. Each group, or some of them, could like those things and still admit to the man being less than perfect.

We tend to focus on the ones out in the street who are strapped up and carrying 'stop the steal' signs as being representative of Trump's voting demographic. It was at least heartening to see that poll which found that 80 percent polled believed Biden to be the rightful winner.

However, if even half of Trump's 2020 voting base believes all the cr@p being thrown around, that's still a huge, huge number of people and very worrying for the US, going forward.

Well those people need to start saying something because they have to be the most underrepresented group in the US right now. Is Romney still the only Republican to call him out? And he was doing so before the election as well and likely isn't part of the Trump voters. Any who voted for him but don't agree with his current actions are unrepresented and their votes are being used to represent the extremists in the party.

The rest seem happy enough to let it go on and watch as US democracy is being disgraced.

bewareofthedog

OANN should have their broadcasting rights removed, they are the gateway pundit on steroids. It's pure propaganda

Fuzzyduzzy

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

What imaginary war is this you are dreaming of? There is no one to fight.

You are right, there is no one right now to fight. The End.

km991148

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

What imaginary war is this you are dreaming of? There is no one to fight.

Plus - going to war is now a Democrat thing? I know some Iraqis that want to have a word..

Lirange

For those concerned about a coup through the electoral college/Supreme Court/Congress:

https://verdict.justia.com/2020/09/30/no-republicans-cannot-throw-the-presidential-election-into-the-house-so-that-trump-wins

Incredibly this was published in Sept.

He will make a spectacle of himself, as usual, and consequently those in his party who spinelessly continue to support his delusions. However it will all come to nothing.

duploelabs

As night follows day, there's always a tweet

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/805486509914779649?s=19

namloc1980

Don't you just hate the way certain campaigns claim victory off the back of media calling races. It's absolutely ridiculous. Trump is right, the media can't call races..........oh:

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Randle P. McMurphy

sabat wrote: »

He has had virtually unlimited power for 4 years now-can you give an example of what he's done to bring about this fascist state? Obama for example created the concept of a kill list-his "disposition matrix" of Americans citizens he could personally act as judge and executioner on. Did Trump do anything like that?

I never said anything about a fascist state I’m referring to his methods of gaining power and his attempt to hang on to it. The rallies where he whips the crowd in to a frenzy with militant nationalism. The demonisation of immigrants as rapists and murderers. his political opponents as crooked and corrupt who should be locked up, attacking the free press as enemies of the people He appealed to the prejudices and basest nature of people to win an election. Now that he has lost the recent election he is refusing to concede and showing a total disregard for the democratic process. Which is why people should be very worried by his sacking of the Secretary of Defense and the purging of the civil heads in the Pentagon. When he only has two months left as President it serves no legitimate purpose. Some people call him names and think he’s just a clown and see all his shenanigans as all a big joke and great entertainment. It’s no laughing matter. They used to laugh and sneer at the little corporal with the silly moustache too.

namloc1980

py2006 wrote: »

Very good. Even more hilarious though is that the only cases of confirmed fraud in this election to date have been perpetrated by Republicans. There was that guy in Pennsylvania (a registered Republican) who applied for an absentee ballot for his dead mother and then the fake drop off ballot boxes set up in California by the local GOP hacks.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wnep.com/amp/article/news/local/luzerne-county/man-arrested-for-voter-fraud-in-luzerne-county/523-7fc4fd2f-9105-47e7-a510-2b5ff176ab2c

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/10/15/schwarzenegger-california-republicans-off-the-rails-with-fake-ballot-boxes-9424470

drunkmonkey

namloc1980 wrote: »

Very good. Even more hilarious though is that the only cases of confirmed fraud in this election to date have been perpetrated by Republicans.

Here's the chap who invented email, he doesn't use the world fraud. Reckons 69,000 votes in michigan swung..

https://twitter.com/va_shiva/status/1326595796947656716?s=20

Professor Moriarty

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Here's an MIT professor, he doesn't use the world fraud. Reckons 69,000 votes in michigan swung..

https://twitter.com/va_shiva/status/1326595796947656716?s=20

Were they Trump votes?

Mic 1972

py2006 wrote: »

Brilliant!

Smee_Again

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Here's an MIT professor, he doesn't use the world fraud. Reckons 69,000 votes in michigan swung..

https://twitter.com/va_shiva/status/1326595796947656716?s=20

Still not enough to change the results, still a minimum of 10k behind.

drunkmonkey

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Were they Trump votes?

I didn't watch the video it's over an hour long, he'd be on Trump's side so I'm assuming so.

BorneTobyWilde

https://twitter.com/FNNEWSDE/status/1326614179051081728

briany

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Here's an MIT professor, he doesn't use the world fraud. Reckons 69,000 votes in michigan swung..

https://twitter.com/va_shiva/status/1326595796947656716?s=20

I should have guessed but here's Wikipedia:-

V. A. Shiva Ayyadurai (born Vellayappa Ayyadurai Shiva,[2] December 2, 1963)[3] is an Indian-American scientist, engineer, politician, entrepreneur, and promoter of conspiracy theories and unfounded medical claims. He is notable for his widely discredited claim to be the "inventor of email",[4] based on the electronic mail software called "EMAIL" he wrote as a New Jersey high school student in the late 1970s.[5][6] Initial reports that repeated Ayyadurai's assertion—from organizations such as The Washington Post and the Smithsonian Institution—were followed by public retractions.[5][7] These corrections were triggered by objections from historians and ARPANET pioneers who pointed out that email was already actively used in the early 1970s.[3]

Boggles

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Here's an MIT professor, he doesn't use the world fraud. Reckons 69,000 votes in michigan swung..

https://twitter.com/va_shiva/status/1326595796947656716?s=20

He invented E-Mail?

We will stop there so. :pac:

Professor Moriarty

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Here's an MIT professor, he doesn't use the world fraud. Reckons 69,000 votes in michigan swung..

https://twitter.com/va_shiva/status/1326595796947656716?s=20

This clown has form. A fact check article from Reuters in early October:

"Social media users are sharing a post from Massachusetts Senate contender Dr Shiva Ayyadurai, which says Massachusetts destroyed over 1 million ballots in the U.S. Senate primary race that he lost and therefore committed election fraud. This claim is false: a spokesperson for the Secretary of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts told Reuters that no ballots have been destroyed. Election law experts from MIT and Harvard Law School also said there is no legal obligation for the state to keep ballot images and therefore the allegation of fraud in these posts is not credible."

Smee_Again

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Here's an MIT professor, he doesn't use the world fraud. Reckons 69,000 votes in michigan swung..

https://twitter.com/va_shiva/status/1326595796947656716?s=20

Also, can you provide evidence that he is an MIT professor?

ohnonotgmail

Smee_Again wrote: »

Also, can you provide evidence that he is an MIT professor?

he doesn't appear on the faculty list https://mitsloan.mit.edu/faculty/faculty-directory#name:a

his twitter bio says MIT PhD and he does have a PhD in Biological Engineering. Not quite sure how that translates to exposing fraud in elections