Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

ohnonotgmail

eagle eye wrote: »

Are you saying they had an agenda?

you will have to clarify who "they" as you think it could be anybody

Leroy42

lemonTrees wrote: »

Yes. They are full of hot air just like Trump.

There will be no civil war. Anyone suggesting there will be is just a bit daft.

We have seen those same militias march onto State governments over the requirements to wear masks. Do you think they see democracy as less of an issue?

It is very much a threat, although I would hope and I think it is unlikely. But as we saw with the BLM marches, it really doesn't take much to light the match, and it can spiral very quickly from there.

You get a loads of guys with guns, stoked up on being Patriots and standing up for democracy, walking around and it all seems 'fine' until they pick on a person not willing to just walk away and boom, things kick off.

Its unlikely, but far from daft.

robinph

WrenBoy wrote: »

Im just going to post without quoting because a lot of posters responded with similar rebuttals.
A waste of time and money is not a good enough reason to not investigate the claims, Americans spend money to have jets fly over football games its not a time and money thing. Even if you believe that investigations wont convince all, convincing even 50% of them is a worthwhile endeavour its a huge deal if a large portion of your population have no faith in the voting system and everything should be done to protect it.
If there is refusal to investigate and do so with transparency you will only push more into the camp who think the election has been "stolen" and cement the doubts of those you still have a chance to prove wrong.

If there is something to investigate then fine. But there isn't anything more than some crazy ideas from the brain of Trump based on what he'd try to do to cheat the system.

Trump having a dream about some fraud isn't evidence of something happening. All of the instances of alleged fraud that have been taken to court so far have been along the lines of:

We think X happened.
Why? Have you seen X happening?
No, but it might have done. Investigate it for us.
Investigate what? Nothing happened.

lemonTrees

Leroy42 wrote: »

We have seen those same militias march onto State governments over the requirements to wear masks. Do you think they see democracy as less of an issue?

It is very much a threat, although I would hope and I think it is unlikely. But as we saw with the BLM marches, it really doesn't take much to light the match, and it can spiral very quickly from there.

You get a loads of guys with guns, stoked up on being Patriots and standing up for democracy, walking around and it all seems 'fine' until they pick on a person not willing to just walk away and boom, things kick off.

Its unlikely, but far from daft.

Please tell me you can see the difference between marching and a war.

Jin luk

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And? What's your point?

The point is left wingers and antifa are protest instigators. cause trouble in every country any counter protest is organised by these thugs and trouble starts because of them.

Gunmonkey

lemonTrees wrote: »

Please tell me you can see the difference between marching and a war.

Erm...Trump will be doing the first out of the White House on Jan 20th and didnt go to the second because Daddy coughed up the dough?

lemonTrees

Gunmonkey wrote: »

Erm...Trump will be doing the first out of the White House on Jan 20th and didnt go to the second because Daddy coughed up the dough?

Can you translate that for those of us that speak English.

Jin luk

Jin luk wrote: »

The point is left wingers and antifa are protest instigators. cause trouble in every country any counter protest is organised by these thugs and trouble starts because of them.

And where is your evidence that the information provided in this post that suggests the complete opposite is incorrect?

Jin luk

robinph wrote: »

So we're now OK with stating that most Trump supporters are racists then?

So right wing means racist now?

Are you saying everyone should just accept to be left wing and agree with their policies?

Sorry but the beliefs of open borders and socialism isn't a belief of mine nor many others that don't agree with left wing.

That's not racist

Dante7

https://twitter.com/TheCrazySaguaro/status/1326726896143396864?s=20

Movementarian

Eric Cartman wrote: »

This is it, the only violent outbursts were going to come from the left (not that biden is left but they werent backing trump) every business in DC boarded up incase trump won, they know how those people take news badly...

Its very easy to say things like 'they take the news badly' and that's why they protest. I've been following a lot of comments and discussions online and one thing hit me that maybe I hadn't realised before.

The reason why people who are traditionally on the left take and took those things 'badly' as you put it is because these elections could literally impact how their lives go with certain policies being either removed (ACA etc) or the emboldening of racism by indirect or direct affirmation by a president.It has a far greater impact on minorities and people of colour and those on the breadline. You also have to remember that these protests were also in reaction to the murdering of people from those communities by people representing the same authority.

If you are middle class to reasonably well off, the vast majority of policies implemented by either republican or democrat president have minimal impact in reality.

Put simply, if you voted for Trump your life will probably not be all that impacted in the next 4 years because Biden won. But there was potential real impact for communities with a continuation of Trump.

So its somewhat easy and glib to say the left stokes violence and the right doesn't (which I don't think is true anyway) but you have to look at the context of why they might react that way if there has been and is a real danger.

Jin luk

Jin luk wrote: »

So right wing means racist now?

Are you saying everyone should just accept to be left wing and agree with their policies?

Sorry but the beliefs of open borders and socialism isn't a belief of mine nor many others that don't agree with left wing.

That's not racist

Do you believe that Trump is a racist?

eagle eye

ohnonotgmail wrote:

you will have to clarify who "they" as you think it could be anybody

I'm fed up of this crap where you label right wing as evil.
Both right and left are the same, the extremes on both sides are nasty.

Jin luk

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you believe that Trump is a racist?

Do you think if he was racist he would garner more support than barrack Obama did in 2008?

Why is it always dragged back to racism when it's an argument of left and right wing policies?

The working class man/woman is going to be much more well off under a right wing government than left wing.

ohnonotgmail

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm fed up of this crap where you label right wing as evil.
Both right and left are the same, the extremes on both sides are nasty.

I'm sorry if anything I said has caused you to be offended.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm fed up of this crap where you label right wing as evil.
Both right and left are the same, the extremes on both sides are nasty.

The same in what sense? Some would say capital punishment is evil, others would say abortion is evil. Neither are extremist views.

Jin luk

Jin luk wrote: »

Do you think if he was racist he would garner more support than barrack Obama did in 2008?

Why is it always dragged back to racism when it's an argument of left and right wing policies?

The working class man/woman is going to be much more well off under a right wing government than left wing.

It was a yes or no question.

The Raging Bile Duct

Jin luk wrote: »

The working class man/woman is going to be much more well off under a right wing government than left wing.

Explain this one to me.

Movementarian

Jin luk wrote: »

left wing

the beliefs of open borders and socialism

Jin luk

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It was a yes or no question.

Why deflect all questions yourself?

In total honesty, no I don't he's a racist.

Theirs plenty of black Americans Latinos and Asians that would have voted for him.

Jin luk

Jin luk wrote: »

Why deflect all questions yourself?

In total honesty, no I don't he's a racist.

Theirs plenty of black Americans Latinos and Asians that would have voted for him.

Great, would you like to respond to my earlier post then?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115222488&postcount=3302

Leroy42

lemonTrees wrote: »

Please tell me you can see the difference between marching and a war.

No, no I can't. I have absolutely no ability to see the difference.

It wasn't a march, They took over the building demanding things. It didn't work because thankful people remained calm, let them have their little protest, and then ignored them.

But, as can be seen in the numerous cops killing episodes that turn to violent protest, it can be a seemingly innocuous of unattached thing that sparks it.

So had a group of militias a few yers ago that killed a few federal agents and holes up in some range. We had the Wacko incident. What seemingly should no result in anything serious can get blown up and become a thing.

Whi would have thought a black man getting killed by the police would spark nationwide and even international rallies, protest and resulted in looting and violence in a number of US states.

km991148

Jin luk wrote: »

The point is left wingers and antifa are protest instigators. cause trouble in every country any counter protest is organised by these thugs and trouble starts because of them.

Rhetoric like this is also causing trouble..

Jin luk

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

Explain this one to me.

Look up left wing country's and see the comparison to country's who has governments made up of centre to right wing governments.

Its really not hard to see.

eagle eye

Deleted User wrote:

The same in what sense? Some would say capital punishment is evil, others would say abortion is evil. Neither are extremist views.

I'm sure there's people on both the left and right that hold the same views on both those topics. What's that got to do with what I said?
I'm saying the more extreme you go, either way, the more these people become nasty.

Jin luk

As you asked me not to deflect your questions.

Jin luk wrote: »

Do you think if he was racist he would garner more support than barrack Obama did in 2008?

Yes. Turnout was always going to be high on the democrat side after the last four years, and turnout was always going to be high on the republican side to counter that.

Jin luk wrote: »

Theirs plenty of black Americans Latinos and Asians that would have voted for him.

You don't think there is a portion of minorities who 1) are ignorant to his racial views and/or who 2) feel OK voting for someone with racial views because of their strong dislike for Biden?

seamus

Jin luk wrote: »

Why deflect all questions yourself?

In total honesty, no I don't he's a racist.

Theirs plenty of black Americans Latinos and Asians that would have voted for him.

This is the "I can't be racist, I have black friends" claim rehashed.

People often vote for and support things that go directly against their own self-interest. Plenty of black people worked voluntarily on the confederate side during the US civil war.

Black people voting for Trump doesn't prove he's not racist.

Christy42

Jin luk wrote: »

Look up left wing country's and see the comparison to country's who has governments made up of centre to right wing governments.

Its really not hard to see.

I mean western european/ new zealand/Canada vs the rest of the world?

I am cool with left wing government on that evidence.

km991148

Jin luk wrote: »

Do you think if he was racist he would garner more support than barrack Obama did in 2008?

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I don't want to get into the racism thing again but to argue these points (and to maybe try and better understand each other) we all need to up our game a but when it comes to making these points.

You are joining several points and making false equivalences here. There are all sorts or reasons Trump got more votes than Obama and none of it is due to racism (except maybe that Trump was able to encourage more racists to vote). Or more accurately none of the points prove or disprove Trump is a racist.

robinph

Jin luk wrote: »

So right wing means racist now?

Does left wing mean violent rioter?