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Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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    #5552
    innuendo141
    Registered Users Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭innuendo141


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Some of which are tweets denouncing Fox News and saying 'Newsmax' is the place to go to for news now.

    Quotes of people with around 100 followers. The bottom of the barrel is long out of sight now.


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    #5553
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 40,236 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Cordell wrote: »
    The thing is, the american left is not interested in better access to education for everyone

    Nope.

    I guess the American Left is Bernie? :confused:

    https://berniesanders.com/issues/reinvest-in-public-education/


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    #5554
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    innuendo141 wrote: »
    He is gone absolutely mental with the retweets this afternoon!

    And almost all of them are people dumping on Fox and/or bigging up NewsMax and OANN.

    He is so utterly transparent - This is part of the journey to his own Network.

    Sh!t all over Fox and split the "Conservative" audience making it easier for him to pick off the smaller guys when he launches his own channel.


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    #5555
    hometruths
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 5,998 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Boggles wrote: »
    Ah Ah.

    You are at it again.

    You are excusing racism by claiming it was motivated by something else.

    Tut, Tut!

    utter nonsense.


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    #5556
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,747 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    And almost all of them are people dumping on Fox and/or bigging up NewsMax and OANN.

    He is so utterly transparent - This is part of the journey to his own Network.

    Sh!t all over Fox and split the "Conservative" audience making it easier for him to pick off the smaller guys when he launches his own channel.

    He'll never get funding for his own network now surely?

    If he were to launch it, surely it would be an advertisement wasteland in terms of the big hitters. Would top brands attach themselves to something would likely be the definition of fake news and conspiracy theories?


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    #5557
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 40,236 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    schmittel wrote: »
    utter nonsense.

    Listen I understand.

    You are a fan of the artificially tanned one.

    If he starts a channel, you can subscribe.

    24/7 Donny!


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    #5558
    Smee_Again
    Registered Users Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    schmittel wrote: »
    Purely politically motivated, rather than racially, I would think. That he did it to curry favour and build support within the Republican party would make more sense to me than to he did it to promote his white supremacist credentials.

    It seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you're saying isn't actually racist he just does and says racist things because they benefit him.

    Is that a fair comment?


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    #5559
    threeball
    Registered Users Posts: 8,233 ✭✭✭threeball


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    And almost all of them are people dumping on Fox and/or bigging up NewsMax and OANN.

    He is so utterly transparent - This is part of the journey to his own Network.

    Sh!t all over Fox and split the "Conservative" audience making it easier for him to pick off the smaller guys when he launches his own channel.

    Will he not piggyback on this OANN thing. Its already got a bit of momentum and they hang on his every word. I'm sure he could get a substantial share for pittance as he usually manages to somehow fall on his feet no matter how big a disaster his last venture was.


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    #5560
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Tell me how wrote: »
    He'll never get funding for his own network now surely?

    If he were to launch it, surely it would be an advertisement wasteland in terms of the big hitters. Would top brands attach themselves to something would likely be the definition of fake news and conspiracy theories?
    threeball wrote: »
    Will he not piggyback on this OANN thing. Its already got a bit of momentum and they hang on his every word. I'm sure he could get a substantial share for pittance as he usually manages to somehow fall on his feet no matter how big a disaster his last venture was.

    OANN is probably the vehicle to get him rolling.

    In terms of revenue , MyPillow and a few others will be there in a heartbeat but yeah hard to see any mainstream brands looking to advertise there.

    But the revenue will come from online more than the traditional TV pathway - All about those clicks!


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    #5561
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    schmittel wrote: »
    Purely politically motivated, rather than racially, I would think. That he did it to curry favour and build support within the Republican party would make more sense to me than to he did it to promote his white supremacist credentials.

    Why do you think that attacking his credentials as an American citizen would go down well with the republican base and party?


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    #5562
    jmayo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Trump couldn't be a card carrying KKK member as far as I know since he hangs out with Jews, his daughter and son in law.

    Now we know his daddy was linked to KKK.

    The whole Trump phenomena is a collection of once unbelievable and often incompatible beliefs and mindsets at play.

    He has managed to gain support from groups that would actually have detested his very existence and in no way supported him in the not so distant past.

    For instance how has he managed to gain and keep the support of the religious right, the evangelicals, in the US?
    This is a guy that has numerous marriages, numerous illicit public affairs, was recorded making hugely disparaging sexist remarks about women, hung out with dodgy types and yet they ignore his whole relationship history.

    FFS some of the religious right looked down on Reagan because he was divorced even though it happened decades before he ran for president.
    The likes of Gary Hart had his Democrat presidential nomination ruined just because of rumours of affairs.

    Yet they seem to love Trump?

    There is also belief now that it is right wing catholics that are supporting him more than right wing evangelicals, but that doesn't explain the voters in middle America.

    Then you have the love in from definite white supremacists, the KKK types.
    These types seem to totally ignore his Jewish relations.

    I find the whole thing as baffling as how come there are certain groups who support right wing ideologically incompatible belief systems.

    I am not allowed discuss …



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    #5563
    briany
    Registered Users Posts: 14,048 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    And almost all of them are people dumping on Fox and/or bigging up NewsMax and OANN.

    He is so utterly transparent - This is part of the journey to his own Network.

    Sh!t all over Fox and split the "Conservative" audience making it easier for him to pick off the smaller guys when he launches his own channel.

    I notice a common thread among news outlets which Trump dislikes. They dare question or criticise him. He's not criticising them because he thinks their standard of journalism is bad, or actually, maybe he does, because in his mind it's all the same.

    I know there are some news anchors who openly do not like Donald Trump, and it's an open goal for him to say, "Well, they hate me, so of course they're biased.", but there's little difference to him between that and someone who just wants to call some BS. In either instance, he plays the victim. Maybe he wouldn't be asked such 'tough' questions in one-on-ones if he didn't do or say so much questionable stuff?

    Trump's thinking isn't really any different from facebook bios which say "Screw da haterz." The 'haterz' may be such because the person's a d!ckhead.


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    #5564
    jmayo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Boggles wrote: »
    Listen I understand.

    You are a fan of the artificially tanned one.

    If he starts a channel, you can subscribe.

    24/7 Donny!

    Actually it could be a bit like Howard Stern.
    More people who disliked tuned in just to see how low he would go, as opposed to those who liked him and wanted to actual listen to him.

    I am not allowed discuss …



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    #5565
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    He is so utterly transparent - This is part of the journey to his own Network.


    The founder of Newsmax was on CNN the other day saying he hopes to soon be a business partner of Trump.


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    #5566
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    jmayo wrote: »
    Trump couldn't be a card carrying KKK member as far as I know since he hangs out with Jews, his daughter and son in law.

    Now we know his daddy was linked to KKK.

    The whole Trump phenomena is a collection of once unbelievable and often incompatible beliefs and mindsets at play.

    He has managed to gain support from groups that would actually have detested his very existence and in no way supported him in the not so distant past.

    For instance how has he managed to gain and keep the support of the religious right, the evangelicals, in the US?
    This is a guy that has numerous marriages, numerous illicit public affairs, was recorded making hugely disparaging sexist remarks about women, hung out with dodgy types and yet they ignore his whole relationship history.

    FFS some of the religious right looked down on Reagan because he was divorced even though it happened decades before he ran for president.
    The likes of Gary Hart had his Democrat presidential nomination ruined just because of rumours of affairs.

    Yet they seem to love Trump?

    There is also belief now that it is right wing catholics that are supporting him more than right wing evangelicals, but that doesn't explain the voters in middle America.

    Then you have the love in from definite white supremacists, the KKK types.
    These types seem to totally ignore his Jewish relations.

    I find the whole thing as baffling as how come there are certain groups who support right-wing ideologically incompatible belief systems.

    Because Trump is a much more skilled operator than most give him credit for. A bit like Boris, he gets to come across as somewhat bumbling, shooting from the hip but not really understanding what he is saying.

    This allows him to laugh off anything that goes a bit far, even though it was very much what he wanted to say.

    So he gets to be something to everyone, but never actually takes a position that alienates anyone that he looks to support him. So be never says anything openly racist, but never actually denounces it and so straddles both camps.


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    #5567
    hometruths
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 5,998 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    It seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you're saying isn't actually racist he just does and says racist things because they benefit him.

    Is that a fair comment?

    Not really, I will try and explain.

    Is he querying Obama's birth cert because you have to be born in US to be president (i.e a political point) or is he querying his birth cert saying he was born in Kenya and thus an inferior human being (a racist point)?

    I don't know, but I suspect it is political. And he did that to benefit himself.

    On the other hand telling people to go back to where they came from is undeniably racist in any context, but he did not say that to benefit himself, he said because it he does not take criticism well and he lashed out.

    My problem with the white supremacy stuff is that it is given much more prominence than the evidence deserves, and there is an argument he actively supports white supremacists and refuses to condemn them which is simply not true.

    And this in turn contributes to an inability to have a sensible discussion about whether or not he is actually racist, because it over shadows stuff like the remarks about going back to where you came from. i.e people prefer to talk about the fine people at Charlottesville stuff, which is nonsense.

    This discussion started re the Central Park 5. A similiar case in point.

    Don I think he's racist? Maybe, I'm not really very sure. All I am saying is a lot of the evidence I hear touted as his racism, I don't find as convincing as others seem to.

    I definitely suspect he is not as racist as a lot of outwardly respectable US politicians who are more careful with what they say.

    I also suspect the best judges of racism are ethnic minorities themselves, and if they believed he was genuinely racist and a supporter of white supremacists, they would not have voted from him in larger numbers than 2016.


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    #5568
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,313 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    .

    He's losing it. Trump News Network anyone?


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    #5569
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    " I'm Irish " my hole you are.
    Can we please stop this fcuking embarrassing shiit for fcuk sake.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/world/europe/ireland-biden-ballina.html

    Irish Home of Biden’s Great-Great-Great Grandfather Cheers His Victory


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    #5570
    Cordell
    Registered Users Posts: 6,001 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Tony EH wrote: »
    There's no such thing.

    Well, yes and no. I said the "american left", which just like the "american liberals" and "american progressives" have nothing in common with the left, or liberalism, or progressivism. They don't want a better society, they only want their people to be better, fk the rest. They only value liberties that don't inconvenience them. They only good progress is that which aligns closely with their agenda.


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    #5571
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    The founder of Newsmax was on CNN the other day saying he hopes to soon be a business partner of Trump.

    No doubt....

    He's getting his fans to dump Fox , then he'll see where they end up and which of the 2 channels suck up to him the most.

    Everything is the Apprentice for him.


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    #5572
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,603 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trump is already quietly planning his own streaming service.

    These challenges to the election aren’t serious just kick back and watch the comedy of errors as Trump tries to escape out the back door.


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    #5573
    threeball
    Registered Users Posts: 8,233 ✭✭✭threeball


    briany wrote: »
    I notice a common thread among news outlets which Trump dislikes. They dare question or criticise him. He's not criticising them because he thinks their standard of journalism is bad, or actually, maybe he does, because in his mind it's all the same.

    I know there are some news anchors who openly do not like Donald Trump, and it's an open goal for him to say, "Well, they hate me, so of course they're biased.", but there's little difference to him between that and someone who just wants to call some BS. In either instance, he plays the victim. Maybe he wouldn't be asked such 'tough' questions in one-on-ones if he didn't do or say so much questionable stuff?

    Trump's thinking isn't really any different from facebook bios which say "Screw da haterz." The 'haterz' may be such because the person's a d!ckhead.

    Back to the old saying, "if you think everyone else in the room is a d1ckhead, then you're the d1ckhead". Trump just can't accept that fact.


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    #5574
    km991148
    Registered Users Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    .

    He's losing it. Trump News Network anyone?

    Your problem seems to be with tenses. Lost. A long, long time ago.


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    #5575
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,375 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    statesaver wrote: »
    " I'm Irish " my hole you are.
    Can we please stop this fcuking embarrassing shiit for fcuk sake.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/world/europe/ireland-biden-ballina.html

    Irish Home of Biden’s Great-Great-Great Grandfather Cheers His Victory

    No, let's continue it. Let's keep reminding Biden that he's Irish. Let's give him a Céad Míle Fáilte.


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    #5576
    [Deleted User]
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    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    OANN is probably the vehicle to get him rolling.

    In terms of revenue , MyPillow and a few others will be there in a heartbeat but yeah hard to see any mainstream brands looking to advertise there.

    But the revenue will come from online more than the traditional TV pathway - All about those clicks!

    Should be more appropriately named ONAN for the pure **** they peddle as news


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    #5577
    [Deleted User]
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    statesaver wrote: »
    " I'm Irish " my hole you are.
    Can we please stop this fcuking embarrassing shiit for fcuk sake.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/world/europe/ireland-biden-ballina.html

    Irish Home of Biden’s Great-Great-Great Grandfather Cheers His Victory

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1326225802921381895?s=21


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    #5578
    The Raging Bile Duct
    Registered Users Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    statesaver wrote: »
    " I'm Irish " my hole you are.
    Can we please stop this fcuking embarrassing shiit for fcuk sake.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/world/europe/ireland-biden-ballina.html

    Irish Home of Biden’s Great-Great-Great Grandfather Cheers His Victory

    With the UK continuing to fook about in relation to its Brexit negotiations and the potential fallout for us, I'm delighted to have a US president that looks favourably on us and has stated the need to keep the GFA intact.


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    #5579
    bewareofthedog
    Registered Users Posts: 392 ✭✭bewareofthedog


    He's starting to get bold on twitter again. He was quiet for a couple days once the election was called. This sick puppy needs to be put down asap.

    Fox "abandoned" Trump and his supporters simply for calling the results of the election. What type of make believe universe are they living in?

    He's the ringmaster leading the charge - one of most manipulative and dangerous people in the world right now.


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    #5580
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,226 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    statesaver wrote: »
    " I'm Irish " my hole you are.
    Can we please stop this fcuking embarrassing shiit for fcuk sake.

    Irish Home of Biden’s Great-Great-Great Grandfather Cheers His Victory

    As cringe as it is, if there's any grá that can be cultivated with the POTUS elect then it should.
    It all benefits us.


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    #5581
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    .

    He's losing it. Trump News Network anyone?

    So he accepts that the outcome of the 2020 is different to 2016. Sure he blames it on Fox, but that is the first time he has acknowledged the defeat.


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